San Angelo City Council 6-16-15

[0:00:00] It is 903, and it is time to bring this meeting to order. I welcome every one of you today to the meeting of the San Angelo City Council. Walt Landers, would you come forward, please, sir, and start us off in prayer? Stand as you are able, please. Good morning, buddy. Let's pray. Heavenly Father, we just thank you for your goodness, for all your many blessings upon our lives for our great nation or for this great state, and for our city. The city that is a light and a place where people want to come and be a part of and raise their families. And Lord, we thank you for our first responders and all that work so diligently in public service to make this a great place to live. Although we pray you bless us, continue to give us the reins that's needed and all the resources and everything to continue to prosper us. Father, we ask for our city council members and those that are here today to just be blessed with the spirit of peace, the bond of peace, the spirit of unity, and Father that you would give them wisdom and guidance and direction in all the decisions that are made. We just thank you and glorify you in Jesus name. Amen. Mr. Manship, would you come forward please? Keith Manship is going to help me this morning with the pledge. He is five years old from Sierra Vista. Good morning, sir. Let's get right here to the American, and when you're ready, you just get a storm. United States of America, and to the Republic for what it says, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice. For all, for all, you ready to say amen.

[0:02:00] Honors, Texas is flat. I pledge allegiance to the Texas Under God, one, and indivisible. Thank you very much, sir. Keep in mind. We do have one recognition this morning. Texas Comptroller's Platinum Leadership Circle Award. Tina Bannell, Hami Guerrero, and Morgan Chekway. come forward, let me read this, please. Good morning. Transparency is a broad term that quite literally means something that can be seen through. When we talk about transparency in terms of government spending we are referring to government, providing information to the public so the taxpayers can see exactly where their money is going. In the state of Texas, cities levy both local property and sales taxes to fund police, fire departments, parks, economic development, as well as other important services. In 2010, the Texas Comptroller of Public Accounts instituted the leadership circle to recognize local taxing entities for their efforts as leaders in transparency. The City of St. Angelo was recognized with its first leadership circle award that same year. This year, the City of St. Angelo has once again set the bar high by meeting the stringent criteria in order to receive the Platinum Award, the highest achievement possible within the leadership Circle. Therefore, I, Dwayne Morris, the Mayor of the City of St. Angelo on behalf of the City Council, do hereby recognize and applaud the Finance Department of the City of St. Angelo for their continued progress toward achieving financial transparency. Thank you. Thank you very much for the recognition,

[0:04:12] Mayor. We're very proud of achieving this platinum award for transparency for the very first time here in the City of St. Angelo. Thanks. It is now time for public comment when we'll have the public to step forward and tell us anything they want to say. Let me read the legalities and then I will open the floor up for public comment. Issues or items that are not on the agenda may be raised by the public at this time. Citizens should speak from the podium, begin by stating their name and limit their remarks to less than five minutes. Council members may request that it discussed item be placed on a future agenda. The council takes public comments on all regular agenda items during the discussion of those items. Mr. Brian May, I know you had one step forward, please, sir. I do. Thank you, mayor and councilman, council persons as well. I am Brian May, president of Angelo State University. And a week ago, we had a horrible strategy there, our lake house at Angelo State, where a young student was killed. And I want you to know, the reason I'm appearing today is because of the professionalism, the compassion, and the unbelievable tireless work ethic of the police force of San Angelo, Texas was amazing.

[0:06:14] The way they treated me, which is what you would expect in deference, but it wasn't just me. It was all of our employees in the families and the students, and the way they treated them was amazing. And they were out there till one o'clock in the morning, the night that had happened. They were out there at six o'clock the next morning to try to recover the body. And they knew, in fact, they were very up to date, As far as technology, the facilities, the infrastructure you had there was top class and they knew what the body was, it's just that those things are hard to do and when they finally did recover the body, it was exactly where they thought it would be and I just want you to know they were never confused but the professionalism and the compassion that they showed during this recovery to me was the most impressive but they never gave up and you said out there and you pull that rope, hour after hour after hour, they never flinched, they never stopped, they were trying to do what they could do to make the situation better. And I just want you to know as City Council that that was one of the most impressive demonstrations, a public service that I've ever witnessed in my life. And I want to thank you on behalf of Angelo State University and the whole family of students that we have there. Thank you very much. Thank you, Brian. Very, very proud of our police department. Jeff, did you get here in time to hear that? I forgot the last part of it. OK. Very proud of our police department. Thank you, Brian. Hello, Craig. Hello, I'm Craig Myers and Mayor and Council. In a way, I'm here the same way Brian was to give some kudos to the staff, the people who

[0:08:18] worked for the city of St. Angelo. I was very surprised about a week ago when people who use computers told me that there was a lot of stuff going on that was very personal and not terribly fact based about the animal control program that we have here. It just surprised me because just a week before I had an opportunity to talk with James Flores about it. One thing I know about both James Flores and Bob Salus could have worked with him very closely on a lot of things over the years. One is that they deal in facts and to, they tell the truth. And so when I talked to James, I knew for certain that I was going to get some information, although I didn't know that there would be a controversy about it later. I simply asked him, I said, James, how's it going on your new job out at the center? And if you know James also, you know there's no short answer. Because the facts that he deals with, he laid out for me in very outlined, systematic form, a set of facts, statistics information, figures, whole database that said this is a program that in the last three months has far exceeded expectations. Not everybody is going to do everything the way everybody likes it. But the kill rate is way way down. The adoption rate is way way up. The program and the plans that people have for the future to reach that goal of a no-kill center are in place and they are being implemented and this is a department that's exceeding expectations and overachieving actually. But the second thing that he told me, I thought I needed to share with you, is what he found out about his employees. He's a hands-on manager and he rides around with his people and tell he knows what they're doing and he can understand their jobs. And the first thing he told me was flew in the face of the things that in the back of my mind are visualized when somebody says animal control because like most of you I've seen all of the Disney and

[0:10:22] Disney like movies animation where there's a mean old ugly dog catcher who's crusading life is to traumatize poor little puppies looking for a home. And this was kind of like a movie he was talking about but more likely Western because his animal control officers are very much like cowboys, they're animal wranglers. And James, who doesn't back up from many things, said, I backed way up when I watched those guys approach animals half their size, who wanted to do them harm, and with skill and competence and courage, and you know, with some real human compassion, would secure those animals and transfer them. He said, you know, these guys are really, really good. The second thing that surprised him, he said, was that he'd always just assumed that accidents or injuries on the job there were rarities. And he said, no, they happen every single week. He talked about one guy who went out there, had been bitten in the leg. His shirt was shredded on the back, and there were scratches all over, and now that's over dramatic. That's what happened, but that's not the norm. And every single week somebody has an injury that breaks the skin and draws blood, and you know, these guys are tough, just like the cowboys, and so, you know, you've got a department that's overachieving and you've got employees at the low end of the pay scale who are going above and beyond. And then that brings the bad news. He then told me that these guys who not only deal with animals who are pets that have run away are been abandoned, but with feral animals that come up out of the river bottom hip bear, and that not one of these guys with open wounds dealing with these animals have been vaccinated for rabies. That surprised me. It flat blew my mind. In every other department I've worked with or observed in the community, the vehicles are

[0:12:24] inspected and kept up to standard for safety. If you demo a house, you find that there's asbestos or something there, you'll spend tens of thousands of dollars in order to protect those people. Hundreds of millions of dollars pass through the hands of this city with water, with infrastructure, with personnel and all these other things. It would cost 6,000 lousy, not lousy, but small dollars in order to vaccinate every one of these officers to see that they are protected from a real danger doing their job, rabies is a rarity. But if it's not treated when it happens, there is a terrible death and it's almost inevitable. And if they have to treat it because they're not real sure whether the person's been infected, it's an extremely painful kind of extended treatment that nobody wants to go through. There are things the council deals with. They're very complicated. And you need a PhD consultant from a big firm in Dallas to help you work through the technicalities. There are some things that are no brainers. This is one of those. And it seems to me rather than passing it off, waiting till later, even five minutes in your executive session without doing anything illegal you could just say is anybody here think those people ought not to be vaccinated if nobody stands up just inform your staff that there's a consensus of the council that wants to see this happen find the money and do it you need a consultant sometimes but sometimes Larry the cable guys pretty right you know he just says get her done thank you thank Greg do I have further public comment this is your opportunity let's move on then to the to to the council and we'll start with you Ms. Grindstant. Is there any comments that you need to make or statements

[0:14:25] and also is there anything on the consent agenda that you would like to pull for the regular agenda? Nothing on the consent agenda, but just to remind single member district five residents that we have a neighborhood chat on June 22nd, 6 p.m. at St. Mark Presbyterian Church and by chance James Flores and Bob Solis will be our guest and we'll be discussing changes in animal control and code enforcement and code compliance and all other fun things going on this summer. Thank you, ma'am. Ms. Lizzie? No, sir. Charlotte? I have nothing on the agenda. I do want to comment, Paul was on vacation the last couple of weeks. I received an email, a compliment, that I forwarded on to our city manager. And it basically said the same thing about the people who operate the street sweepers and the jobs and their conscientiousness. And I ask the city manager to forward that to the proper folks. It's not often you get thank yous in writing, but the streets and bridge department got a realized appreciation letter from a constituent. The other item is I wanted to clarify something, explain that an item that I put on the agenda last time with reference to sexually oriented businesses came from nothing other than an actual complaint. It was not about a young photographer, a good fellow, or anybody else. And I was proud of the fact that the council took it and Ms. Guerrero, Rebecca de Guerra, explained all of the items with reference to the law, and I'm not afraid to talk about such things in public, and neither was she, and thank you for that. Nothing else. Johnny? No. Marty? I have nothing. Right. Nothing. All right. Then I guess it's time to move on to the consent agenda. Our agenda has changed up. Agenda has been changed up a little bit this time. I believe it's a little easier to read. So I thank you for that Brian. The consent agenda is item number five and it consists of items A through I.

[0:16:28] So if there is nothing that needs to be pulled and I will entertain a motion to accept as presented. Do I have a motion from Charlotte? I do have a second from Rodney. Is there any council discussion on the consent before we take our vote? Do I have public comment on anything on the consent agenda before we vote for approval or disapproval? If not, I will call for both. All in favor of accepting the consent agenda as presented, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed nay? Put a 7-0 on it, Mr. Bryan. On the regular agenda, we have now at number A on the regular agenda, which is a discussion related to the reclaimed water alternatives evaluation. The presentation is by Water Utilities Director Bill Riley, Ellen McDonald, who is a P.E. with Alan Plummer Associates, Inc. and Scott Hibbs, who is a P.E. with Improtak Hibbs and Todd Inc. and and I don't see Scott, but I do see you. So you are on, sir. Thank you, Mayor, Council, good to see you. Oh, Mr. Valenzuela, appreciate the opportunity to come visit with you about this topic this morning. As you know, the state has received some much-needed rain, and for the most part, the state is not in a drought anymore. Unfortunately, that doesn't cover the entire state. There's an oval still in the state that's still in severe drought, and that includes, unfortunately, the city of San Angelo up through the Abilene area. And while the rains have been very good, they've done little to put any water supply back in our lakes. And so we continue to see them at less than 20%, 15% to 10%, twin-buttes is still at about 6% in the North Pole. And they continue to decline. So and while we are seeing as we speak tropical storm bill which you think might make it for closer to this area, it appears that it's going to stay to the east of us and so we are likely

[0:18:33] to not receive any substantial rainfall from that. So because of that we need to continue to look for and explore additional and alternative water supplies. And that's what we want to visit with you about today. Last May, or May 2014, you engaged the firm of Allen Plummer and Associates in Improtech, Hibbs and Todd to look at reclaimed water alternatives. They've been working diligently on that this last year, and what we would like to do today is present those results to you. With me is Ms. Ellen McDonald, or I should say Dr. McDonald's, she has a PhD from Stanford She's been with Alan Plummer and Associates for about 16 years and she is one of the leading experts in the country on water reuse or reclaim water supply. She has currently completed a project where she led a team working on a resource document for the TCEQ and Texas Water Development Board to guide the design and reuse projects and the implementation is for a reuse project. So we're very fortunate to have Ms. McDonald on this team and working with us in this project. So with that, I would like to bring her up and to present to you the results of the alternatives that were explored in this study. Welcome, ma'am. Thank you. Thank you, mayor and council. It's appreciate the opportunity to be here and appreciate the opportunity to work on this project with the city. So, I'm going to start with a little bit of water supply background and then talk to you about the reclaimed water study that we performed. And just so you don't feel alone, there's in Texas, I'm sure you all know that the population is projected to grow significantly.

[0:20:34] This data is taken from the state water plan from 2012. And with that increase in population, we also have a deficit in water supply. And so this is an issue not only for San Angelo, it's a statewide issue. The blue bars show the existing supplies in the state and the red bars show the demand. And those existing supplies are actually decreasing as you move ahead in time because of sedimentation in reservoirs. And so not only do we have to supply additional demand, but we have to keep adding to supply in order to account for that sedimentation. And I'm sure you also know it's no secret that there's an incredibly diverse spread of precipitation throughout the state, and San Angelo isn't in the sweet spot of precipitation in the state. And so as you move further west, it's more of a challenge to maintain those water supplies, especially if you rely on surface water. So is the drought over? Well, if you look at the Texas drought monitor, you might think that the drought is almost over. And if you compare to what it looked like in 2011, it's much, much better now. The red that you see in 2011 was the exceptional extreme drought that we had back then. And if you look, I'd grabbed this image yesterday, if you look at what the monitor showed on On June 9th, you might think that St. Angelo is on the upswing and home free, but what I want to point out about this draft monitor is that it's based on things like precipitation, soil moisture, stream flow, and it doesn't include what the actual levels of the water supply reservoirs are. So if you look at a different map, this one, which is maintained by the Texas Water Development board, it shows the capacity of the reservoirs throughout the state. Blue is

[0:22:36] good, so blue is over 70% full, red is bad, below 20 to 30% full. And you can see that statewide, the reservoir capacity is about 84%, and what's bringing that capacity down is an area right around San Angelo in that circle. So all of those red lakes, there are San Angelo water supply. So the drought is not over in terms of water supply for San Angelo, as Bill pointed out. And then this just shows the actual capacity that I pulled last night of each of the reservoirs. As Bill said, everything is below 20%, every surface water supply that San Angelo has is below 20% full, some below 10. So just points out that there's still an issue here. I'm looking at how much water St. Angelo's used over the past five years. This graph shows the blue bars are precipitation and then the red line is the demand. The water supply or the water used by the city and the one thing I wanted to point out here is that you see that the demand was a little higher in 2011 because the precipitation was so low in 2011. But as even though the precipitation from 2012 to 2014 has declined, the demand hasn't really increased. It's stayed pretty steady. And so that shows that the citizens are really taking the drought seriously and are conserving water. And so I think that's something that you should be proud of. If you look at the regional water supply plan that the Texas Water Development Board does for this region, called the Region F Plan, you look at the projected supplies for San Angelo, which are the bars on this graph and the projected demand. You can see that as you look to the future, there is a deficit in supply.

[0:24:36] And so even if it were to get a lot of rain, all of a sudden and this drought would break from a long-term perspective, there will be another drought and the supply just isn't there to meet the needs of the drought. You do have the benefit of the Hickory Aquifer and the banked water in the aquifer, but that can be used in a drought situation, but it doesn't provide a long-term solution to meeting future droughts. So switching to reuse, I wanna give you a little bit of background on definitions and reuse so that we can all start on the same level in talking about the options that we looked at for San Angelo. So bear with me here. Non-potable reuse is water, reclaimed water that can be used for use as other than drinking water. So that typically happens when you take water from a wastewater treatment plant and you deliver it directly to a user, like a golf course or a park or an industrial user, somebody who's using the water, not for drinking water purposes. An example of that project is Fort Worth, I just pulled one here, there are lots of them throughout the state, but Fort Worth has a project where they deliver water from their wastewater plant up to all the way up to DFW Airport and hit some golf courses and parks along the way. If you look at indirect potable reuse, so now switching to reuse that is used for drinking water, there's two kinds, indirect and direct. Another potable reuse is when the water is delivered from the wastewater treatment plant discharged to a river or a reservoir that's used as a water supply and then diverted again from the river or reservoir, goes through the water treatment system, back through the customers and back around the circle. So it's indirect because it's discharged to a surface water supply and then re-diverted.

[0:26:36] An example of a project that uses indirect reuse, you may have heard about, Abilene started up an indirect reuse project in January where they deliver water from their Hamby wastewater treatment plant to Lake Fort Phantom Hill and then their water supply intake is here. So it flows into Lake Fort Phantom Hill and then is diverted again as water supply and goes through their conventional water treatment process. So direct potable reuse is when you don't discharge it to a streamer or reservoir and instead you use some advanced treatment to provide the same types of benefits that you get natural treatment in a stream or reservoir and you take it then from the advanced treatment system through the water treatment system and back through the drinking water into your customer. So wastewater treatment, advanced treatment back through like this. And an example of a direct potable reese project is the project in Big Spring that you may have heard about where they take water, wastewater from the big spring wastewater treatment plant, it goes through what they call a raw water production facility which is the advanced treatment facility and that water is blended with water from their other reservoirs and then is distributed to all of their customers and undergoes conventional water treatment in the drinking water systems. And then the final type of reuse that I wanted to talk to you about is called de facto reuse And this is the reuse that happens every day, it's not planned, it's when a community discharges their wastewater to a stream upstream and then a downstream community diverts it for water supply. And we have a very classic case of de facto reuse in Texas, and that is between Dallas and Houston. So the Dallas-Fort Worth area discharges their wastewater to the Trinity River, and that water flows down the Trinity River, and folks in Huntsville and Houston happily use that water

[0:28:37] for water supply. And so reuse is not a new thing, potable reuse is not a new thing. We aren't creating new molecules of water anywhere. There's always somebody upstream and somebody downstream. Okay, and just so you know that Texas is not alone in reuse projects, although So we are taking a lead in a number of areas. This map just shows a number of potable reuse projects throughout the country, mostly targeted in the more arid areas. But Texas has the only two operational direct potable reuse projects in the country right now. The one at Big Spring that I mentioned, and then there's an emergency project at Wichita Falls that was implemented in 2014. So that's just some background. Let me move on to what we looked at for the St. Angelou study. So you may know that the city undertook a feasibility study in 2006 to look at reuse and the focus of that study was more on potentially implementing some non-potable reuse alternatives, although we did look at some alternatives for indirect potable reuse at the time looked at OC Fisher and Twin Buttes discharges to those reservoirs. There has been a tremendous amount of research and technology development and understanding of potable reuse since the time of that 2006 study. At that time, we would not even have considered direct potable reuse and that just shows how advancements have taken place since that time. So the recommendation from that study was to do a discharge to twin buttes, and we used this study as a building block for the 2015 study. So building on that, the scope of the current study was to shift the focus to looking at potable alternatives, which can really provide you more yield in your water supply.

[0:30:38] And if there were opportunities for non-potable reuse associated with the recommended potable alternative than that was looked at as well, and then looking at the cost and evaluating alternatives and developing an implementation plan. So this map shows the existing water supplies that serve or have the potential to serve San Angelo. So you'll see the supply from the Twin Buttes, Nasworthy Reservoirs, and then OHIV coming in And then if there were water and spent coming in and then the hickory aquifer. And so that water is used by your customers and then the wastewater is discharged to the collection system and transferred over to the wastewater treatment facility. And from there, the treated wastewater goes to a large storage base in north of the wastewater plant and then is either distributed to the irrigation district or the city also has some land that can be irrigated with that wastewater. So the options we looked at, we looked at three potable reuse options. We included an option to discharge to twin buttes, which is an indirect potable reuse option. So taking the reclaimed water and discharging into twin buttes, letting it run downstream to the water plant. A second option to discharge to a tributary of Lake Nazworthy. And then a third option was to look at direct potable reuse. And there was a lot of evaluation that went into each of these alternatives with respect to water quality, water rights, and other issues. And we developed these alternatives and some sub-alternatives with different treatment schemes and then went through an evaluation process with the staff to rank the alternatives and select a recommended alternative.

[0:32:38] And we looked at things like water quality impacts. If it's an indirect reuse, you have a discharge to the lakes, and there are TCEQ water quality standards that you have to meet when you discharge to the lakes. We looked at the ultimate drinking water quality and what that would be for each of the alternatives. We looked at permitting issues, water rights issues, and of course cost. And as a result of that evaluation, we ended up recommending the direct potable reuse option. And so this will show what that option entails. You start with your existing wastewater treatment system and your existing water treatment system. At the wastewater plant, in order to do direct potable reuse, you need to provide a quality of wastewater that can feed into the advanced treatment processes and provides a good quality water that won't cause problems with the advanced treatment processes. So we've recommended nutrient removal and filtration at the wastewater treatment plant, and then advanced treatment, which will include membrane filtration, including ultra filtration and reverse osmosis. This is similar to the treatment process that's used at the Big Spring and the Wichita Falls facilities, and then advanced disinfection. And then from the advanced treatment facility, the water would be pumped over to the convert to the water treatment plant and blended with existing supplies and treated again at the conventional treatment plant before being distributed to the customers. So the recommendation that we put in the report was to do this in a two-phase system to start with the first phase, which would essentially provide enough capacity to treat the existing flows from the wastewater treatment plant and in the future potential to add another phase that would treat future flows as the flows grow. So this is not an inexpensive project.

[0:34:39] These are the costs that we put together. The phase one capital cost is 136.7 million. And then to add that second phase, the additional three million gallons per day is another 16.6 million. We also calculated a lifecycle cost, which is a number that represents the total cost of the project for the 50 year project, and includes both capital costs and operational and maintenance costs, as well as replacement of equipment in that time. And then looked at the unit costs, both on the lifecycle basis. So over the 50-year life of the project, the unit cost of $1.87 per 1,000 gallons. The initial unit cost when we were paying off the debt service is, came out to be $4.84 per 1,000 gallons. And then finally, the schedule that we put together, And this particular schedule is what I call the comfortable schedule. If you had time to implement the project in the way that would provide the most efficiency in terms of cost, we put together a five-year schedule. And the first step is to do pilot testing of the treatment facilities. These membrane facilities are very specific to the individual water quality that is feeding into them and so in order to do use the ultra filtration and reverse osmosis systems, you have to pilot these facilities. It's a requirement of the TCEQ. And then following the piloting, go into permitting in design and then after that's complete you can get approval from the TCEQ to construct the project and then beyond that it's construction. The schedule People can be compressed in a number of different ways if needed, but once you get past the point of getting the construction approval and pulling the trigger, then you're going to want to, that's

[0:36:40] a point beyond which if you decide to do the construction, you're going to need to move forward. So, I think with that, I'm happy to answer any questions that anybody has. are there any questions? Yeah. Start with you Rodney. Okay well we we toured the plan up in Big Spring. I know that they've had some problems with that thing going on and offline. Are those being taken care of? Are we figuring out the system better? We aren't the consultant for first the armed WD so I can't really speak for I know they've had some issues and part of that I think had to do with the piloting that they did, and the treatment that they applied in order to try to prevent the membrane fouling, which is what I discussed is the thing that you really have to do on the piloting. So there are better systems in place already over the system that they chose? doesn't have to do with the actual treatment system that they use is very robust. It's it's how you the chemical treatment that you do ahead of that to make sure that that they operate properly is my understanding is what the issue that they've had there. My second question would be alright we had talked about this before about some state money or is there still some state money that we can apply for it to help us on the low interest loans and things like this to get that this project started? There is. We did apply for the new SWIFT funding, and we were actually denied that we, but that's not necessarily the end of the story there at all. There's several other funding sources through the state. For example, the drinking water fund, which is what the Hickory Project was funded with, that's still available, and we've submitted an application for that.

[0:38:41] The state is planning to do another round of the SWIFT funding in the fall, what we understand based on the 2012 Regional Water Plan, and we are amending that plan to have this project included in that. That was the reason that we were, one of the reasons that we were unsuccessful the first round. So I feel actually very, very confident that there's multiple funding sources and we would be able to fund it at a low interest rate. And if, since we're looking at this and the recommendation is to go direct on this, is it because one of the main reasons it because that the expense is so much less when you do that because we don't have to do the pipeline back to one of the lakes or reservoirs and I should probably let Ellen speak to this but just in general there's several reasons why we chose that one is there are some severe water rights issues when you start take the water back to the lake that we would not have to deal with the other issues that know you're a little bit more simpler simply simpler but direct is that is you were cleaning up the water and then you put it back in a dirty stream and you're also subject to losing it from evaporation and other loss that point. Some of that doesn't make a lot of sense to me to do that if we're going to treat it to a pristine level let's put it back into the system and use every every drop that we treat. Was it is it just the general populations we the reason why there are not very many of the direct ones is it because of of just a perception, you think, nationwide, and do you see that the trend may be swinging back toward? Because what he's saying, it makes more sense to me to do it direct also because of the waste. Yeah, that's a great question. I think once again, Texas has kind of taken the lead there and it really was partly because of the 2011 drought, but as you all know very well, this region was hurt in way before the 2010-2011 drought. And so CRMWD really took the lead way before then.

[0:40:41] But there is, I feel, a changing trend among the public, that a real trend of acceptance and understanding, particularly in Texas, I think people are really understanding that the technology is there and that it's possible to treat the water to a really high quality that we're treating the water to a higher quality than existing raw water supplies and it really that there's a comfort level and that's moving across the nation now and California is really looking into implementing some of these projects. Oklahoma, Arizona, Florida, they're all talking about it so yeah it's it's changing. And when we toured the plant there you know we you know it's unbelievable how clear it gets and how I mean it's way better water than we have now. It's way better than we have now. Exactly. I was in Wichita Falls a couple weeks ago, and they got Lake Arrowhead that is their main service water supply is this really red, you know, clay water supply, and there's a beautiful picture of their water plant of that water supply compared to the direct potable reuse. It's amazing. Thank you. Marty, do you have any questions, sir? Johnny Dr. McDonald I did have a just quick question comment I'm looking at the the slide of whether is the drought over or not and a lot of the counties or cities or area east of us are in the blue the high percentage when do we and then I'm looking at the reservoir capacities around us you know where we're 14 at IV and 13 at fish OC Fisher and when do we or do we ever what mark do we We hear that technically gets us out of the drought, and is it a certain percentage level? Yeah, I can go back to that. The reservoirs are technically full, which means they reach their conservation pool level, and on the reservoir graphs, I was going to try to get there.

[0:42:44] Here we go. You can almost see it here, this dashed line is that level. So technically from a water supply standpoint, when the reservoir level reaches this dashed line, then the drought is over. So you can look at this and see when was the last time any of these were at that level. It's been a long time for all of them. So even though we have, I think, Mayor, we're up to maybe 48 months water supply or something like that I heard, we're still in the drought and we are long ways from being out of that You really need one of these tropical storms to come up this way and just dump a whole bunch of water on you. And as you've seen the rest of the state, it's not going to just come up to that level and stop. It's going to switch very quickly from drought to flooding when and if it happens, but it's going to take a whole lot of rain to fill up these reservoirs. That answers my question. don't have any questions I do would like to point out for the viewing public that the water advisory board is alive and well and we do receive reports from their meetings I wanted to know if the city manager would like to mention who the members of the board are pleased for the viewing public we have the membership clues now the county with the county judge included in there we We have an economic development representative, which is Roland Pagnum. We also got from the Chamber of Commerce, Stan Metter. We have, I mean, make sure I can clear this up. Kendall Hirschfeld is also appointed on there. We have a meteorologist, help me here. Jonathan Jennings. Jonathan Jennings is on there as well. And I'm missing one more member who's... Ben Wise. I think Boyd is also the chairperson at this person,

[0:44:47] that's correct. Chuck Brown, I'm sorry, yes. And Ben Weiss from Contro World Water. OK. So we do have a group right now that has met. They've had three meetings at this point. Is that correct? Two meetings at this point. We have another meeting coming up this month in July. So they are a group, of course. They've already looked at this presentation as well. They've had an opportunity to review it. And they also, as expressed here as well, they did see the course that it was a more positive for us to actually look at a direct approach as well, as far as the indirect. They also know as far as the costs associated with the projects. When you start looking at the initial costs of the $136 million, and how much we actually get out of that, which we're looking at about $7 million gallons per day that we'd be receiving from that, We have to look at the other options that are available to us, and I know that's something the Water Advisory Board is doing, and we know that those options really, at this point, are quite limited, even though we are working with the West Texas Water Partnership for a long-term water supply. Those are water supplies that'll come in from an area outside, further out in the Texas state, which will be very cost-prohibited for one city to do this. We're looking at a project, probably, between $600 million and $800 million in the future, we're supposed to bring that for the long term. So with as far as the intermediate term and the water reuse, this is definitely something that the city needs to consider to address our immediate needs, actually. Point being was for the viewing public is even though this council doesn't talk about it at each meeting or anything of the nature to the media, there is ongoing work with people who are professional in the water business that are meeting and advising the council, and I appreciate the report that they're doing. Thank you. And I do want to point out we do continue meeting with the WISX Water Partnership. We had a phone conference yesterday to explore some options, other options that we're considering

[0:46:52] at this point. We do have issues that do develop in other areas as we try to work with other cities and other counties when we start looking at transporting water here to our area. There's Political conditions that have to be addressed and we are doing our absolute best as miss farmers just mentioned This is not something we're taking lightly we stay on top of it We're really working it to look at not just an intermediate, but also a long-term water supply This right here would be more of an intermediate solution, but we're also looking at the long-term solutions Thank you. Let's see. Did you have any? Yes, sir. Miss Christ and a couple of questions for dr. McDonald. Can you talk about? about the technology that removes the pharmaceuticals, that's one of those things that's always brought to my attention. I'm very much in favor of reclamation, but to those that are opponents, that's the thing they always bring to my attention. Right, and of course that question always comes up. The technology that we're using is really the gold standard technology that we're recommending. So first of all, the pharmaceuticals are at extremely, extremely low levels, but they still tend to create questions with the public. But all through the treatment process from the wastewater treatment plant will remove some of them through biological transformation as well as settling out in the process that occurs there. But the real workhorse is going to be that reverse osmosis system. Reverse osmosis is a membrane process that has extremely small holes, if you will, in the membrane that essentially only allow the water molecules to transfer through. So it takes out nearly all the contaminants from the water. You're producing almost pure water.

[0:48:52] In fact, you wouldn't want to drink it straight. have to add minerals back in because it's so pure. And so it removes 90 plus percent of all of the contaminants in the water and produces very very pure water. And then after that just to be safe we have advanced disinfection which is a ultraviolet radiation and advanced oxidation process that removes that provides additional disinfection in case anything passes through. And so So there's numerous barriers, and that's just what we're producing to then go through the conventional water treatment plant. So that's raw water, if you will, that is almost pure. So it's no concern whatsoever in terms of a pharmaceuticals or any other contaminants. We probably get more through the meats or dairy products that we consume through engineered grains and things like that. I have a slide, I didn't bring it, I have a great slide that shows the amount you get in your drinking water compared to beer, baby formula, so that's right. I have also a question for Bill. If you look at the cost of delivery of that whatever gallon of water, once it's been through the process that y'all have suggested, how does that compare to the other gallons of water through our different other sources like the hickory. It's almost identical to the hickory. Most new water supplies, I mean I guess the rule of thumb now, it's about $10 million per million gallons to develop new water supplies. That's basically what the hickory was and that's very close to what this is. So the actual cost per thousand gallons of produced water is very similar to the hickory. Interesting. I think it of course begs the question, what are we going to do about paying for all of this, but I'm very excited to see this.

[0:50:54] I think it's, as you say, in sort of a portfolio of different water sources, I think we've got to get away from the surface, and we did that with the hickory, and so this is another kind of stop gap in there for mid-term. It is. I mean, if you look at the hickory water and using the reuse water, if that's all we had, could meet today's demands. It's not the end all. I mean, it's necessary to continue to look for more long-term sources. But it does provide water today. It's real water. It's water that we can guarantee. It's not speculation. And it would actually improve our water quality considerably. One of the things I'd like to point out to you on this schedule is what we wanted them to do is to look at we started this project where are some some points in it that we could stop I mean if we started with the project and all of the lakes fill up you know are we committed day one to a hundred and thirty six million dollars or can we you find some areas in there we can stop and that's what this schedule represents one of the things that's absolutely necessary from the state is we have to pilot this you have to test it to make sure that that is part of the design process how you how you treat the current wastewater and what the advanced treatment processes would be. So that's the first step that takes approximately nine months to a year to accomplish that. And actually, what I would like from you today is authorization to bring back to you a negotiated contract with a consultant to do this pilot and also a funding source. And I would like to bring that back to you probably in July sometime. But that doesn't mean that we we start the pilot and we wait a year before we do anything else I think we'll be continuing to look at this once we start that process what would be the next step and when would it be unnecessary to proceed with that but the

[0:52:55] fact the matter is is if we start the pilot testing the legs fill up buys us a little time doesn't necessarily mean we we stop but it does buy us some time and so if you look at this schedule that through the pilot testing and the per many design, we could actually stop. But as Ellen pointed out, once we began to get to the construction phase obviously and start that, we're committed all in at that point. But at this point, we certainly would like to proceed with the pilot as was pointed out this did go before the Water Advisory Board who voted unanimously to recommend to you that we do that. The pilot testing is estimated at about $1.2 million. A portion of that obviously is the engineering fees, the consultant fees. There's equipment that has to be bought out and can speak a whole lot more specific to that if you desire, but that's what we would like to proceed with at this time. I do have a couple questions, Bill. Which toll falls is about the same size city and they went with direct use? What did their project cost them? Which of the toll falls was fortunate? They already had this membrane treatment in place to treat a brackish surface water supply. And so I don't think you can do a cost comparison. Their cost was really to bring a pipeline from their wastewater plant to their water plant, but they already had the advanced treatment system in place. So it's hard to do an apples-to-apples comparison. But we already have an advanced treatment facility with our hickory water where we're taking the radon out. Is this something that we can use in this? No, that's specific to the hicryographer and doing the iron exchange, this is a different process entirely. Different animal. Yeah. Also, what is the difference in cost by going direct or going indirect, putting back into twin buttes or into the NAS worthy? I don't have those costs with me, but the costs were not all that different for each

[0:54:56] of the options. There, with indirect reuse, we tried to reduce the amount of reverse osmosis that we did because one of the issues with reverse osmosis is you lose some of the water, you generate what's called a brine concentrate from the reverse osmosis and that you lose some of the water. And so through the indirect, we were able to manage that so that we used less reverse osmosis, which did decrease the cost sum, but we also had higher conveyance costs because you had to take the pipeline to each of the legs. So they somewhat balanced out. There wasn't a tremendous amount of difference throughout the alternatives. And what are we going to do with the waste from the reverse osmosis? That's an excellent question. We looked at a couple of alternatives and these still need to be refined some but there's the potential of deep well injection and injecting the brine in a deep aquifer in the ground and that's typically what's done if there's not another alternative. The city also does own a lot of property near the wastewater plant and there's the potential to evaporate using evaporation ponds. There's pluses and minuses of each of those alternatives. Unfortunately, surface discharge is not a good option. Big spring actually has the benefit of being able to discharge to a very salty stream and you don't have one of those around here and so we're looking at either either evaporation or deep oil injection. Okay, and one other question, when does our contract expire with the canal? Mayors I understand it's on an annual basis and So there's a one year out on that contract. So if we decided to do this in 2020, we wouldn't have a problem with the canal. Okay, all right.

[0:56:57] Shorter. Yes, you had mentioned and you had a diagram there, the state and the various state of water drought issues, San Angelo being in dire need. So I want to know if you could tell me why the state denied our claim for assistance on that fund. I can. The official reason was that it was not included in the 2012 State Water Plan and they were looking at all of the projects and the initial SWIP funding to be in the 2012 plan. The other unofficial reason is that there were a lot of projects. There were projects that had been in the works for some time and so they were naturally moved to the front for that first round of funding which was about $800 million. I know a couple of years ago I had brought up the fund and clearly the article that I had from the state stated it was for projects that were ready and moved forward and got the first attention so I wanted to make absolutely certain that we have this on the front burner to submit for the next go around for that 3% or less funding. And we will submit for the next round of the SWIFT funding. We have applications in now for the state revolving the drinking water fund and the clean water fund. So both of all of those are very low interest. Because that low interest rate is a huge factor in the cost. It's huge. Yes. Huge. And I also say that Braun has been made the chairman of that board which could be an advantage for us. What you need then is approval to authorize pilot testing. There's no action item. Yes but he was asking for some type of approval to bring this forward. Consensus. On consensus. Consensus. I think that you can take... Now it's not an action item because you said you needed some type of authorization to

[0:58:59] continue. How do we need to do this? Do we just need more information back? I can live or we can do with considering what I would like to do is bring back bring it back a contract and and obviously the funding source right is that that 1.2 million did you mention Bill it is 1.2 million Mary's what they're talking about all right what what Brian just said only end of our agenda and this is under the new agenda it said that all agenda items are subject to action which gives us the authority to move forward on this if we so choose. Then what I would under that I would like you to authorizations to negotiate a contract with a consultant to bring that back to you in July. I'd be happy to make a motion to that. I'll accept your second and this just says that you're going to negotiate and bring back further calls so that we can get this thing started. We're not contracting a hundred and thirty seven million dollars correct we are contracting moving forward on it to determine the feasibility and we're only talking about the pilot at this point very well something that must be done before we can do anything do I have a motion to approve that I do have a second do I have any further council discussion before moving forward you know one thing I want to point out on this and he was talking about you know if we get so far and we can stop if our reservoirs fill up and Johnny said this also but we live in the desert out here and they will fill eventually but they'll also go empty eventually and we're always going to be in this position where we're needing water for our future and this is not so much even really thinking about us up here this is thinking about our kids and our grandkids in their future this is the future reuse of water is all major cities in the United States will be doing this in the next 20 years they have to so that's that's real water that's there it's not going out and finding water or it's water that we're using, we'll reuse, reuse again.

[1:00:59] So I think this is very important that we move forward on this. As Almer Kelton says, when the rain stops, the next drought begins. So this is something we need to deal with. Do I have comment from the public before we take a vote on this? Mayor? Yes. Excuse me for interrupting, but the action item that is kind of vague and I think that it could be clarified as to the nature of the contract that would be authorized to be negotiated. I'm not. The contract with the consultants for the pilot is not a design contract. There's testing to be done, somebody has to oversee this process through the course of that. So It would be consulting with them or contracting with them as to do the pilot, to oversee the pilot. It's not a design contract. I'm not sure how you want to work that. So it's a professional service? It is a professional services engineering contract. Or the pilot testing, okay. Will you accept that in your motion list? Absolutely. Will you accept that in your service list? Yes. That's... Are you satisfied, Dan? Yes. Yes, I'm just going to leave it out there. I was just going to see that. The nature of the options. Well, if legal satisfied and Elizabeth satisfied and Rodney satisfied, is there a public comment? I'm going to call for the vote. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed nay? Put a 7-0 on it. It is 10-0-6. I'm calling about a 10-15 minute break. I'm going to roll for you. It is 10-26. I'm calling this meeting back to order. We have progressed in our regular agenda to number B, which is consider the approval of a low income housing tax credit, L-I-H-T-C policy, outlining the type and amount of city support

[1:03:01] and possible incentives for projects competing within the city limits, Mr. Solace, your own. Mayor Council, good morning. As you know, every year we get developers interested in city support to build affordable housing through the low income housing tax credit program. that's managed through the TDHCA over in Austin. And in order to better vet these projects, we're recommending a policy, and I'll go through these key points. These are the type of supports, types of support we are recommending. It includes council letters of support, pass through loans from COSA DC, grant funds if available, and other forms that we deem relevant, such as tax abatements or other forms recommended by Council. Here are the priorities we would grade the projects with. We feel that the projects should support our neighborhood revitalization plan and be located one of our four target areas. Projects should consider rehab or reuse instead of new construction that takes advantage of the current housing stock. We also want the developers to engage with the neighborhood citizens. We don't want them to saturate the market. It has to be of sound quality and design, and really not need city funds to proceed, although there will be times where grants, perhaps, grant funds would be appropriate, depending on the project itself. And here's our timeline. We would ask for applications. would be due to us in October 1st. It says July the 30th is when they award the annual awards so they have that time frame to move forward. We would evaluate from October pretty much all of October.

[1:05:03] We would have town hall meetings scheduled through November. We'd come to council for the presentations and then we would basically provide them support docs if appropriate and approved. So So that's those are the key issues that I'd like to open up to Council for discussion. What you're talking about who is within the existing guidelines that are set up now, you're just a continuation of it or something. Yeah, we don't have any guidelines for it. This is establishing brand new policy. With the past it's been haphazard. We've been successful in a couple of places and the reason I want to steer them into the neighborhoods targeted for realization is because you'll get a lot of support you get it from our representatives the state representatives you get it from other from neighborhoods because they want the neighborhood citizens want to build in those areas they want to build up the the community so these are these are very this is a great program to help us do that so these would be a brand policy. Council, who wants to start? I'll let him finish. I think it's also necessary when you go if you'll go back on your slide. You need to address the city's comprehensive land use plan and thoroughfare plan. I think that's come up before when we've talked about before. I don't know whether we're talking about multifamily or just could be a large single family development. I think I think those criteria are also important. And I probably would like to see prior to it coming to us what the school district's response is. I think we have the chance to do this right and not always be in a reactionary mode. Absolutely right. I think that that entity is one that I would be very interested in hearing from in a formal way. Excellent recommendations. Further? That's all I have. Anyone else have any comments?

[1:07:05] Charlotte. I would like to see something that suggested or required that it be built to blend with the neighborhood, the existing neighborhood, that it's going in. So it would be not only some quality, but design appropriate to the environment, basically. I don't know that our building codes, you know, an area where we have some areas in San Angelo that are just rock foundations solid and good, but I don't know if it would be wise to ask it to meet the construction, to meet the soil, I don't want to say engineered foundations, but to meet or exceed the requirements, the city requirements, I can't recall what they are right now, but the foundations in some of the areas, the soils just will not support a regular foundation. The building official has that kind of... Build it, yeah. I'll find the language. Okay. And bring it back to council on the consent, so you guys can see what I want to add. Anybody else? So I guess the consensus here is to put this, incorporate what has been said and bring you back. Absolutely. I'll do. I think that's a very, very good start right there. a good deal. Thanks Bob for following up with me. You bet. Thanks Bob. Thank you. Number C is the first, yes ma'am. When we, when you come back Bob, can, would you have that on the website so that developers know when they're making applications that we have a very rigid approval or consideration project? Absolutely. Process for support as well. And I will have the application online and that's what we'll direct everyone to. It's awesome. Very well. C is the first public hearing and consideration of an ordinance rezoning 2713 South Bryant

[1:09:07] from single-family residents to General Commercial. Z-1502 Kirkling, an ordinance amending Chapter 12, Exhibit A, Zoning Ordinance, in accordance with the comprehensive plan, but changing the zoning and classification of the following property, 2713 South Bryant, generally located at the southwest corner of the intersection of West Avenue W. and South Bryant Boulevard, More specifically, occupying Lot 12, block one of the Monterey edition, from single-family residential RS-1 to general commercial GC, providing for severe ability and a penalty, Rebecca Guerra. Thank you, sir, good morning city council, Mr. Mayor, Rebecca Guerra, planning manager. The case before you is Z-1502 for rezoning. It's 0.16 acres, again, as you stated, it's in the southwest corner of West Avenue. Oh, good God. West Avenue W and South Bryant Boulevard. Single member district three in the Rio Vista neighborhood. Let's get off that slide. Future land use of this site is neighborhood center. And so this is a very important slide, because this is the very basis for the rezoning. In fact, the rezoning from RS1 to the proposed zoning designation makes it consistent with the comprehensive plan and the future land use map of the comprehensive plan. And as you can see from RS1 to neighborhood commercial, we'll make it consistent. Staff's recommendation is approval. the CN District is consistent with the neighborhood center of future land use designation. The district is compatible with existing land uses and nearby zoning districts. Future development on the site should be able to comply with all zoning ordinance requirements. 23 notifications were sent out within a 200 foot radius. There were zero responses in opposition and or in favor. On May 18th, the Planning Commission recommended unanimously to approve the rezoning from RS1 to CN. And the action request today is to reprove a rezoning from RS-1 to CN and adopt the ordinance on first reading. Now the information I've got is GC, not CN. What do you want?

[1:11:08] Do you want it neighborhood commercial or do you want it general commercial? And I wouldn't have. That's why I was having trouble. There is a difference here. GC and good. CG is kind of. Yeah, CG is a little strong. But we can fix that in our motion. Yeah. I was about to express that saying you thought. My back isn't out today. We're good. All right. So on behalf of my staff, I apologize. It was the caption for GC. But because CN is a less intense zoning designation, you are allowed to vote on a less intense zoning designation of CN. In fact, the request is CN. Johnny, this is your new area. Do you want to take it, please, sir? Yes, sir. You know, when I first saw that I too kind of had, you know, red flags go up, Rebecca, but do we have any idea what? CN, what could be built there? So CN is basically what you would think of as neighbor commercial, so smaller nodes of commercial development like retail, like gas stations, churches, schools can go into those areas. What cannot go into these areas are very large developments that generate large amounts of traffic. where you couldn't build anything large there anyway. I mean, it only has. That's true. But there are lots of CN parcels in the city. That could hold them, but wouldn't be allowed to have them per the zoning ordinance. OK. I don't believe I have a problem with a CN. I did it at the beginning. And knowing that their parameters of what could and could not be built there, then I guess I'm OK with it. We would have to come to us anyway, would it not? Anything that is built there? No. No. So the big differences between CN and CGS, aside from the uses, is also the amount of storage,

[1:13:11] how close you can build the things, the kind of buffering that you require, and it's really storage and the intensity of development that makes the difference between general, commercial, and CN. These are meant to be neighborhood nodes to serve the immediate area, whereas GC is really for the entire city where it's a destination. That's it. It's going to have to be small anyway, is that tiny? OK. Having now heard the rest of the story, I don't have any problem with it. I'll make a motion to approve this item as presented. As seen. As a seeing district. So, yeah. OK. John has made a motion to approve as presented, Elizabeth. As seconded. Any further council discussion on this? Do I have any mayor other than, you know, I'm really, if there was any opposition, we at least gave them the chance to oppose this and you received zero notices back. We have posted the property that's been posted since the Planning Commission. We sent the notifications out prior to the Planning Commission. We've put it on your neighborhood page for each one of the neighborhoods that every council member has. And it's also been advertised in the city by the city clerk's office and posted on the city hall. So in every way, shape or form, it's been posted to the neighborhood. Okay, that's fine. Do I have public comment on this item before we vote? Does anyone wish to speak either for or against it? Then it has been made that we move that we accept this neighborhood commercial as presented. It has been seconded. I will call for the vote. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, nay. Put a 7-0 on that one. No, D, just keep staying there, Rebecca. Number D is first public hearing consideration but ordinance rezoning 1115 West Avenue in from Seacon Family Residential to Office Warehouse Z-1503 Fairmount Cemetery in Ordinance, amending Chapter 12 Exhibit A zoning ordinance in accordance with the comprehensive plan by

[1:15:12] changing the zoning and classification of the following property. 1115 West Avenue in, generally located approximately 1,400-foot east of the intersection of South Jackson in West Avenue in, more specifically occupying 51.830 acres of the S Sebastian survey A abstract 7-3-2-9-S, 00-07, block 13, lock 1-18, part of Fairmount, carried in abstract 7-5-8. Of the Dale Moore Place edition, and block 14, lock 1-18, part of Fairmount. Carried in abstract 7-5-8, the Dale Moore Place edition from single-family residential or S-1, to office warehouse Odabia, providing for severe ability and affinity. You are on them. Thank you, sir. Again, zoning 1503 is for the Fairmount Cemetery. This is pretty much a cleanup. So today it's a legal non-conforming use in an RS1 zoning district. It's a little over 51 acres. It's located correctly on the South Jackson Street and West Avenue N. It's in single-member district five, and it is in the College Hills neighborhood. Future land use of this site, the entire site, is campus institutional. The proposed rezoning is to go from RS-1 to office warehouse, so this would make it consistent the use consistent with the zoning ordinance, but more importantly, would allow for any future expansions to not have to go before planning commission for an expansion of illegal nonconforming use. So staff's recommendation is approval, it's consistent with the campus institutional future land use designation, it's compatible with existing land uses, and the proposed structures and uses will enhance the existing institutional use. 41 notifications were mailed out within a 200-foot radius. There were zero responses in opposition and one in favor. And again, these were notifications were posted on the site, on our website, at City Hall, the whole gamut, at least five different times these notifications were posted. On May 18th, the Planning Commission unanimously

[1:17:12] recommended approval of the rezoning. And so the action requested today is to rezone from RS1 district to the office warehouse district and adopt the ordinance on first reading. Elizabeth this is yours. Rebecca did y'all consider a plan development district for this I found that office warehouse was kind of an odd name for a cemetery and all of the activities that are necessary to support the cemetery. The particular uses that were associated with the cemetery and any of the accessory uses that go with it, including but not limited to a chapel, an office, a rectory, any of those type of things, are all compatible with office warehouse. Plan development would have required the applicant, that is the city to help cope with a concept plan, for current development and future expansion, including everything that's on the site today. It's a long process, it's a lengthy process, and generally plan developments, although not typically, but most often not the ones you've seen here, are supposed to be for mixed-use developments. In this case, given the time factor, given the fact that the city has immediate plans to do expansions, an office warehouse fit the bill for everything that's proposed on the site, and more importantly, existing on the site, this was the recommendation that was given and was allowed to move forward. Well, I've had a lot of really interesting comments made as to what they think we're trying to do at Fairmount Cemetery, and no need to go through those. I think we all understand that there's an interest in a, I call it a multi-purpose building, whether it's used for a funeral, a family gathering, something like that, and to continue supporting the growth or investment in Fairmount for the future. I'm very much in favor of this. As I said, I just thought that office warehouse may not have been the best designation, but as you point out, it works, and it's within the guidelines of the zoning ordinance. So, I'd be happy to move for approval of the recommendation as presented.

[1:19:13] Second. Do we have a move to approve as presented? Do we have a second further council comment? Public comment on this item before we vote. All in favor to accept this as presented, please say aye. Opposed nay. Put a 7-0 on that one, thank you ma'am. E is to consider a resolution authorizing the city manager or his designated need to apply for the 2015 CLPS COPS Hiring Program grant requiring matching funds and execute any related document. Chief Fant, you are on, sir. All right, thank you very much. I can do this real simple. We are asking for permission to apply for the COPS grant. And based on the calls for service that we have right now, increase in crime, traffic issues and things like that, we've estimated that we probably need somewhere in the neighborhood of 18 to 20 officers on the street. additional officers on the street added to our authorized strength. We know that's not feasible right now. There's no money in the budget to fund another 20 officers, but the COPS grant provides an opportunity for us to phase that in over a period of time and kind of offset some of the cost. It's a win-win for the city. I think it increases the sworn strength of the department slowly in a reasonable and manageable manner and it also you know provides a little bit of financial support behind that. So basically what this is is this is the 2015 COPS grant. It's from the Department of Justice through the Office of Community Oriented Policing Services. It allows us to apply for, in our case, up to eight officers and it will provide up to about $125,000 per position over a period of three years. So at the end of three years, the COPS office, the federal government, will have provided a million dollars to fund these officers. The city is responsible for the remaining portion of that of their salaries and benefits. It pays for no overtime. It does not pay for civilians. There's, you know, other restrictions and such, and it's for the entry-level

[1:21:17] salaries as they progress based on, you know, our main convert contract that they allow us to kind of increase that over the years. The grant has an increased matching amount that must be applied by the city each year. I elected to plug it in at 25% the first year, 35% in the second year and oddly enough it's 53% on the third year which yes that's that's 113% but we have to pay the differences in the salaries and benefits that our city provides over and above the the maximum amount that the federal government provides. So ultimately that kind of spread out the burden a little bit it gave us the increasing burden each year is required by the grant, but it also kind of lessened the burden and let the city phase into it just you know a hundred thousand and I think on the agenda memo it kind of outlines that the first year's city match is $126,882. The second year is $188,568 and the third year it's $302,805 for a total amount that the city will provide in matching funds of $618,256. And that is again for the hiring and salaries and benefits of eight additional police officers above and beyond our sworn strength at this time. There is a grant requirement that we keep them for at least one year past the expiration of the grants. So the city is responsible for that fourth year, which would be the total salaries. And I thought I had it written down here and I think I'd take somewhere. I wrote some really cool notes here and I have not looked at one of them. So it would be $597,664 based on projections and guesses, you know, as close as we can get as far as salary increases and things, and that depends on a number of factors.

[1:23:18] So all in all, that's what we're asking to work with right now, is at this point, it's just an application process. Of course, there's a long-term weight that we'll be required to go through as we submit the grant. And of course, if you want me to explain What we're going to do with the grant, I'll be happy to do that, but the consensus right now or the idea right now is to let you know that this is what's gonna be required and we're going to deploy those officers to help with some of the crime rates and congestions and population increases that we're having right now. Charlotte? Chief, do you feel that starting that fourth year that there will be some retirements to kind of help absorb the cushion of that additional budget amount needed? And where does that put us then back the number of people that we need to hire? Because any way you look at it at the end of the three years the city's going to have to make up that salary gap Yes in their budget basically the way the grant is written is that you would have to keep that additional number of Officers above that 165 that we have right now So 173 officers would are a be our sworn strength through the end of a fourth year at the end of the four years then we could begin through a tuition process or something like that if we if we see that the the need is not there for some reason you know all the oil activity just just goes completely away or something like that I'm sure the need will be there you know there it's just looking down the road how we plan to meet that amount in the budget which I think I supported I feel like that we need to I just want to address it right absolutely I understand what you're saying is is There will be some retirements, and of course the idea is that the older officers who are retirement age obviously make a larger salary, and these guys that would be hired would be starting on the lower end of the pay scales.

[1:25:20] So you know, theoretically there should be some benefit from that. I would assume that as the higher paid officers leave and lower paid officers come in, that would be happening you know with the life of the grant because it always does. I think that's all I had. Anyone else? Elizabeth? So the amount that you're asking for is that above and beyond your existing operating budget? Yes. And so how has this fared through the the budget process? It has not yet. It is not yet. So I'm not sure why we're understanding there's timing with grant applications but to me this is something that should be vetted through that process and not taken out of context, really. Michael, do you or Tina have any comment on that? Or Daniel, I'm sorry, Daniel. No, that's fine. Tina. We know that the last two years we have applied for this grant. We have not received any monies through this grant. It's a highly competitive grant. I know that, and speaking with the chief, what he's told me, of course, is he's forecasting for the future to determine the proper staffing, and he does feel that they're gonna need more on the police staff. Now we do allow for 5% above the current number of police officers that we have, in case we do have retirements, and so that we can hire above that to replace those positions. What this would do actually is slide into that 5% and allow us to actually have a discounted, if we do receive it, an amount that we can acquire these officers, and I think it's probably a good move for the city at this point, and make sure that we have those waiting in the weeks in case we do need those officers, but there's some assistance as far as paying for that initially. I just can't see where there'd be an issue with this. So long as you're good with it. I think maybe I can also explain just a little bit there. The grant, the application process obviously is starting. The grant is required to have applied by the end of this week,

[1:27:20] actually by the 19th is the last day to apply for this grant. That gives us time to work on some of this funding for the match amounts through the budget process, I believe, so that we could properly address that and add that to there as some contingencies. Of course, we have very few vacancies right now. We actually have 163 officers on staff right now, 11 of which are actually in the academy. So we're just paying for them to send them to school right now, but eventually they'll do us some good. And we do expect a few retirements and things like that over the year, but we're in the process of really gearing up for recruiting and things like that. So this is kind of at a prime time to do the recruiting and try to get them on that next academy, you know. Theoretically, well, there's no way, even if we had awarded the grant now, we won't start another academy until April of next year, maybe a little bit earlier if we really push it. So the hiring process, the actual hiring of these officers really won't occur probably until after the first of the year. Right, but because we would be in the 15, 16 budget cycle, once we do this, we're setting aside funds to the match. We're committing right now before we go through the full-blown city's budget process to those funds. So as long as everybody understands that, I appreciate your work in looking for ways to leverage more funds against our local dollars. So thank you. Marty, I'm sorry, go ahead. Well, I think this is authorization to apply. You would come back with a contract if we were selected, right? Absolutely. Yes. So it'll have to come back for a period. Right, but we know what we're talking about. We know that if we do this, we are setting aside this much money for police against every other work group in the city. That's fine, as long as everybody is aware of that. And if it comes back anyway, I'd say the grant is approved and the city can still deny the grant if in fact we just

[1:29:24] don't have a hundred twenty six thousand dollars to to allocate toward that twenty five percent so that would be an option anyway right another option might be to scale if if the grant is for eight officers or whatever the number you said if we said we wanted to go with two officers what would we be eligible to do that also I think so I think so we would actually have to do a grant a grant adjustment if we were awarded that meaning we could adjust that amount because that happens because there's additional funding sometimes at the end of the grants and stuff that left over money that somebody can get. Marty we have how many officers right now? We have 163 officers on the streets or well on the books right now. We're authorized 165. 11 of the officers that are counted in that 163 are actually in the police academy. They're learning the penal code right now. They're a long way from being done and they won't hit the streets properly until about April of next year. So if we were to apply and receive the grant, can we apply for eight? Could two of them be to build a 163 to 165? No sir. No sir. It has to be in addition to your sworn strength that as of as of the the 19th whatever that may be it has to be an in addition to it can't supplement it has or it can't supplant it has to supplement your increase your numbers okay so so if we have I guess I'm with the Elizabeth if if this is approved then then I mean if we allow it to go on on, we're committing the city to $1.6 million in four years. Because for the fourth year, we have to do that. We have to keep them on the fourth year, and we have to pay it all, right? Yes, and that will be about just about 600,000, as far as the cost of those officers for that fourth year.

[1:31:25] The 1.6 is the total cost for all of the officers for the life at the ground. OK, I'm sorry. All right, sir. OK. All right. yeah how many do we have on patrol right now on patrol we right now we I don't know the exact number we generally somewhere between probably 68 and 72 it fluctuates slightly that that's part of the idea is that these will go there there's there's a group that there's a focus on the grant that we would we have to kind of adhere to and what we're looking at is as part of this grant process is is a the Homeland Security issue, transnational crimes, that's the focus that we're going to do, which that's just a shifting of personnel. It's not really, it's a realignment of duties and responsibilities. These would essentially be what is now our special operations group or something very similar to that, but it would actually add the numbers. And our goal is to have about 80 to 85 officers working patrol. Okay. You've read this grant. I've read this thing several times. There's not some strings attached to this that makes it something we don't. No, that's one of the beauties of this grant is it's a very short-term commitment. I mean, you know, it's a four-year commitment essentially from the city. And after that, if we see that it's not feasible, the tax dollars are not there to support it, then we can face this grant out after that end of that fourth year. And that, I mean, honestly, we lose 12 to 15 officers a year, it will take another, you know, it will take us six months to get back to, you know, the level we're at today. So it's not a long term. We're not looking at a lifetime of having to be stuck with these officers if things change within our community.

[1:33:25] Johnny? Jeff, I have one question that I've had a couple of phone calls from a couple of non-profit here in town that deal with domestic violence. Does this have anything to do with manning some of those positions that deal with that type of a? You know, the focus is a little bit vague. And we did purposely do this to make the focus a little bit vague. We're going to focus on transnational crimes. And one of the hot top six, one of the things that we're seeing experiencing now is the increase in violent crimes well, and also the domestic violence is also going to fall under those ideas as well. So specifically, no, we're not planning to have a domestic violence investigator, but this will allow us to do that if we choose to do that because we can increase our investigative side slightly by having a few more officers. Many of our counterparts, our benchmark cities, our investigative division is considerably smaller than many of the others, Abilene, Midland, Odessa. Their detective division is, you know, in the 25 to 35 range, we have about 15. We really work our detectives hard, and we try to focus those on the most crimes there. And the idea would be that we could actually focus a little bit more on the domestic violence issues. But specifically, we did try the domestic violence issue last year through this grant program. That was not something that they were prepared to do for grant funding. Their focus, they wanted on border security, homeland security, and some of the transparency issues after reading through the grant. I believe that we don't have a big issue with transparency issues here in San Angelo. I think we've got a pretty transparent city. I think we've got

[1:35:25] a pretty transparent department. We provide all the information. If somebody asks, we'll give it to them. And that's just the way we do business. So the most feasible way to do this was through the Homeland Security issues. But that will also allow us greater investigative capabilities across the broad spectrum of things. And also by adding, by allowing us to increase the size of the patrol division through this. That will also allow us to focus a little bit more time on the individual needs of each citizen. In domestic violence cases, we take up a lot of the officers' times out there. We work closely with the crisis intervention unit. We work closely with the county attorney's office on these things and we're in a process of revamping that process regardless of what happens with this grant. We're trying to streamline on that process and have a better response all the way across the board with that. Well, just so he'll know that in the listening audience, the cry for help has gone out in that area. So I'll just, I'll end there. Thank you. Thank you, sir. I have a question. Listen, when you apply for this grant, how long is it before you get the answer back whether it was approved or not? You're dealing with federal government and that can be a while. Last year, whenever we applied, It was actually March before we heard a final word that our grant was denied. We had an unofficial word, we received that, I think it was about November-ish. So I'm expecting they will probably receive an idea somewhere October, November, that whether this grant was going to go forward or not, or our approval, our grant was gonna be approved or not, we may not be able to officially do anything until close to next year. So, you know, it takes them a while, you know. I generally, nine months to a year, has just been my experience. Thank you. Someone help me here. I will, I think, I will move to approve this item. And just so we're on the same page,

[1:37:25] we understand the legit, you know, what could happen if we move forward on it, we're tied in for the next, if approved, we're tied in for the next couple of years. So I'll move to approve this item as presented. I'll second. I got the list for second first, Johnny, is approved to approve. Any further council discussion on this item? I got one question. It will come back to us if we're approved. Yes, absolutely. We'll come back with the approval and all the details as far as exactly how many we were approved for. Because they could actually approve us for less. We could actually ask for eight. They could come back and say, we only have funding for four. so we could actually come back with something lesser than what this is. This is the maximum that they will allow. So we'll actually come back to council for final approval only to accept the grant and it's all its conditions. We will see this again. Absolutely, I hope. Public comment on this item before we vote. Jeff, excuse me, Mayor. And that's the maximum for anybody that applies for it, no matter what size city. No, sir. The maximum you can apply for is 5% of your sworn strength, unless you have a very small department under 20 officers and they've got some different guidelines for them. Public comment. All in favor to accept this as presented, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, nay. Put a 7-0 on it. Thank you, Jim. Item number F is consider awarding a bid, C-E-O-1-O-1-5 to Wilvis CT. I suppose that's Connecticut, isn't it? Is that Connecticut? Wilvis incorporated DBA all about signs authorizing staff to negotiate an agreement that might not to exceed $50,000 for the purchase and installation of a digital more key sign for the McNeese Convention Center and authorizing city manager does the need to execute any necessary related documents. Sydney Walker, the event manager, and that does not mean Connecticut, does it? It is, will this CT incorporate it?

[1:39:28] Yes, sir. All right. Well, obviously, you know, this is my first time coming up to city council with an item. You know, the first thing that came to mind was the marquee sign that we have currently outside of the convention center right now. As you can see right now, the sign that we actually have, we have to hold a 2x4 and prop it so we can open up the plastic lid on it so we can be able to change out the numbers and letterings on the digital marquee. This sign has been there, of course, for 30 years. Why do we need a sign? obviously with the two by four we we need a sign badly but also as well we can provide more information through our messages as well we'll be able to incorporate colorful animated images flyers for events and let people know what's going on as well we can also program it to show multiple screens if you wanted to put on there the temperature the date as well as welcome to city council meeting we can put that on there and as well we can get revenue from ad displays which we have with McLaughlin advertising that we do currently with the airport to Colosseum and as well at the convention center. This is a proposed sign. This is not the actual sign that we would actually have, but this is a great sign to show. So what we ended up doing, we had 11 RFP invitations, six local that actually went out. On March 24th we we received the four proposals. Three of them were actually local. The local companies that proposed the bids back were all about signs, arrow signs, and fast signs. And one out of town company was Spectrum Corporation. After we received the bids, we held our first meeting on April 9th for the review committee meeting. And then on April 16th, we held in-person interviews with three other local companies, and then one phone interview with the other company.

[1:41:29] After all of that, we did, we had our decision On April 23rd, we held our final committee meeting. We had all our score sheets all together, and we all agreed that all about signs should be awarded to be it. A little background information on all about signs, they're 14 years in the local area. Seven year warranty, they offered for us hands-on training for digital signage plus free upgrading, 48 hours turnaround with five service texts in the area. Removal of the existing sign that we actually have out there right now and propose a digital Marquee sign was in the budget as well. Here are current signs that they actually have up around town. This one right here is located across from Sam's on Sherwood Way. This is the Community Express Care Walk-In Clinic. And here's another one that they actually done in town. Actually, it's off of Knickerbocker. This is the stadium park sign where Zettner's daughter is as well. The proposed purchase for the digital Marquee, we had a a budget of $50,000, a project contingency of $9,325. The contingency includes additional electrical services that we might need to have for the sign to operate correctly. Financial impact from Fund 503, we would be taking $36,831. This is from a Fund 503, it's from a half cent sales tax back in 2005 when we were doing a remodel for the convention center. And then the other amount would come from Fund 410, which would be $22,494, which equals a total of $59,325. And we anticipate completion of the project in late August, and we're asking for a warning to be it to all about signs to be able to negotiate, and not to exceed $50,000 for the purchase and installation. Move to approve as presented. Second, second. But you are, you're saying that I understand it's gonna cost us $59,000.

[1:43:29] No, sir. Motion is not to exceed 50. Yes, sir. It doesn't exceed 50. The sign actually proposes under the budget. It would be 48,000. Okay. So that 59,000 didn't mean anything. No, sir. Okay. $50,000 maximum. Is that your? Is that your? That is correct. Who's he saying? John, you're right. Actually, the electrical work is separate. So it would be 50,000 for the sign and another 2,000 for the electrical? Yes, sir. For the Not to exceed yes, sir. Okay, what so we're not going to exceed $50,000 in totality on the sign. No, sir. No, sir We have it in that we have we have in the budget for the total In the budget we have 59,325 but we're not exceeding $50,000 for the site including electrical including sign him and no no he said not including not including the sign itself here's you you had an in a bit amount of about forty eight thousand dollars are correct there's a possibility the nine thousand we're talking about is a possibility we may require some electrical yes sir go over the fifty thousand and the electrical work it we don't we don't think it'll go over three thousand dollars for the electrical work what do you think it's going to cost us in totality to put a sign up and electrocuted and make it work. How many dollars are you looking for? 50,000. 50,000. Yes, sir. And we are approving 50,000. No, no. See, no. You said the sign itself could be up to 50. I mean, you could have $3,000 in electrical possibly addition. So most likely, you could have up to $54,000. We have budgeted 59. And so we're safe. He has his total amount within the budgeted dollar amount. And we are approving 50. So that means we're going to have to get everything done for 50, am I right? No, no, no, the sign itself is 50, the electrical work, the electric, the contingency for the electrical services. It's very confusing to me. I wouldn't know how much the sign's going to cost. Okay, but we're not, we're not, we're not

[1:45:33] approving the electrical. That's correct. Electrical, we had to give a different service provider to provide that. All about signs is not providing electrical hookups. So that's what the contingency four is we hire electrician to bring electricity to the base right so the actual contract for the sign is is gonna be less than 50,000 and the electrical won't require council approval that's just something they can do within their own with our own but of making it happen so we're proving 50,000 for the sign the electricity will be on top of this yes sir and they can do that on their own okay not requiring council approval and my approval is based on prior council my recommendation, my motion is based on prior council discussions about the sign and the need of it and the fact I've done business and I know the people that are local, I've tickled the deaf that so many local people voted for it and I do know that this kept me to be a person of their word when they say they will do and can do and they're very good at maintaining. Yes, ma'am. Motion has been made. It has been seconded. There has been council can discuss it. Is there public discussion on this item? Which second are we taking? Mine. Yeah, taking Johnny's. And this is $50,000 for the sign. Yes, sir. And then you may spend three to four to nine thousand on the electricity. Yes, sir. Yes. And you can do that out of your budget. You don't have to come back with us. No, sir. So we're not going to be stuck out there with the $50,000 sign and all electricity operated. No sir. All right, we've had public comment. Are you clear? I'm clear, I think. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, nay. Put a said, nay walnut. And if not, we know where to find will, we have to go after it. It'll be easier next time. I see him on television. I know how to hit the expert tab. Number eight is first public hearing consideration of an ordinance an ordinance, meaning appendix A, fee schedule,

[1:47:35] code appliance abatement fees. Morgan, check with me. Good morning, mayor and council members. What I have before you today is the implementation of the May 19th consensus by the council to implement code compliance fees at the cost of the service. So we had substantial discussion about the cost of service, the survey cities, all of those items, and what's before you today is that proposed fee for the six-yard dump truck load for a junk and trash abatement at $372.60, and for your 12-yard dump truck load at $572.60. We're on track with these discussions with council. Of course, we concluded just general discussion in June. We're moving forward with implementation and adoption. Of course, before you today is the ordinance for code compliance. Next meeting, July 7th, will have the ordinance before you related to permits and inspections fees. And then hopefully by July 21st, on track for implementation of the ordinance for planning fees and then that will conclude this year's fee review. So some upcoming meetings but before you today of course is the first hearing of the ordinance implementing code compliance fees. Do you need just to approve this is just a hearing. Approved please. You do need approval of this and I think this is what we discussed and what we agreed on so somebody give me a move to approval as presented. Second. Do have a move to approve Rodney Elizabeth has seconded and this is what we discussed last time that we would we would receive the call public comment for the council comment all in favor please say aye aye opposed nay put a 7-0 on that one item age is discussion regarding the fiscal year 215-216 budget preparation Morgan thank you again we are pleased to be here before you today we are talking about our 2016 budget preparation process. We've been busy at work and we wanted to take this opportunity to kind of brief you on the framework of what we have upcoming and what items have been completed thus far.

[1:49:36] What I have before you today is the draft budget calendar and so I just wanted to kind of briefly touch on some items that we've tackled. You know, budget stuff, we really start the preparation process before April 1st, so in March we implemented a new service related to providing a budget manual. Some items to really just help facilitate the internal workings of the budget process. We also had budget kickoff, which of course we talk about local key economic indicators and let folks know what's happening in our community. Then we also did our annual training from March into April and we kind of changed up the way we did that this year and I think it was a much better use of time for the directors, managers, all of that. So we expect good things out of these changes that we made to improve communication and thoroughness and accuracy. So we're moving forward with that. Of course, April is real big about revenue. So in April, we are really sharpening our pencil on revenue estimates. There's some outlying issues there related to property tax. Of course, we won't know those certified values until later. So in April, revenue is substantially done, except for property tax, many grants. We don't have the grant award exact amount yet at this time, but we'll be working through that process and sales tax. We're usually watching that right down to the wire to get the best estimate that we can. So revenues substantially complete except for those items. We also prepare the compensation plan together with HR to get a current estimate for compensation and any changes related to that will come in future council meetings. Then in May, that's really where the bulk of the work here, the efforts by staff occurs, is in May related to the expense budget. And so there's a lot of moving parts related to that, that the directors and managers are working on. most notably, you know, ensuring salary and benefits are estimated at the correct beginning amount, talking about expenditure target, making sure that all things are included there, their mission, their performance measures, any target increases, all of that's going on in May.

[1:51:36] And so that's really where you see the bulk of the work occurring at the staff level. Then into June, we just concluded yesterday, staff budget reviews. We do have some remaining items to follow up with City Manager's Office and some pretty complex issues working through to the departments, so we're working through that process right now and so that's always a good dialogue of what folks are working through, what items they've identified, what issues might be coming up in the next 12 to 18 or greater months, and so that's what we're working through this month. We're almost through our first round of discussions, as I mentioned. We have a couple we need to reschedule, but good progress on that. In July, we start to have some of the state deadlines come into effect at this point, so that's why we start working, you know, of course, so far in advance that we have to have our draft budget published. We expect to have some council budget discussions, perhaps council work sessions if it's the pleasure of the council to proceed in that way. We do have, I'm sorry, I think I mentioned the public notices. July 25th, I'm sorry, isn't mentioned on this calendar, but it's the day I'm waiting with baited breath for when we get our certified valuations from the appraisal district and we will know better how we can address any council priorities or issues or any expansions to the budget through that marginal revenue that we expect to have those those figures by late july which brings us into the august time frame it's a pretty quick turnaround from that july 25th state deadline to the august fourth meeting and so we'll have hopefully final we should have final estimates for how the general fund is going to pan out. We'll also have a record vote to propose tax rate which of course is just stating that we are going to levy a tax rate at that time. Then moving into late August we will have our introduction of our budget ordinance and start wrapping up those items and on into September will be ultimate adoption. What we expect to what we've kind of scheduled to happen would be that you know at next month when we come back in

[1:53:37] in July that we would talk about the revenues and expenditures proposed for each of the major funds, anything over a million dollars, and that's always been, again, good conversation in the past to kind of identify where those folks are moving because that really captures your general fund, your water fund, your airport fund, your big moving parts, all of the utilities. The second meeting in July, I expect we'll talk about council priorities and how we can implement those in the budget and to what level we can implement those, And so we expect to have a good figure for y'all to work with through that process. So that's all I really plan to go through with y'all today was to talk about the calendar and what's upcoming, and there's of course a copy of the calendar in y'all's background. If it's your pleasure, you could adopt the calendar. It does meet with state deadlines of the mandates through the Truth and Taxation Act. So what you need for us to do today is to adopt the calendar as you have presented it to us? Somebody want to help me there Ocean to approve second. Okay. I'll take Elizabeth and I want to take Marty second on this further council discussion Morgan when did we approve the CIP? March the second meeting in March forgiving March 17 March 17th and the deadline by ordinance on that The city charter states that the CIP must be presented to the council six months before adoption of the budget So we were compliant with that by taking that action. It must be presented to the council. It can be adopted any time before the budget. So we're well within those deadlines as well. Thank you. Public comment on this item. All in favor of accepting this calendar, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, nay. Thank you. Put a 7-over on that, Brian. All right, number I is discussion related to the activation of St. Angelo's warning sirens. this is a Charlotte farmers request, you are on, ma'am.

[1:55:38] OK. We've had two occasions where we've had the sirens, and I've received lots of phone calls, and not of them all bad. But it was interesting to know that there were so many different opinions out there as to what the sirens meant. Of course, to me, I'm old. I'm going to show my age. Civil defense sirens means air raid. But most people seem to think that it is tornado, means tornado, and that's what they assume, in all actuality that it's not. So several people have asked me, why can't we talk about it, and at least tell the people, remind the people, or let them know again what it is, and who has the authority to set the sirens. Complication came in the first time the sirens went off, and I received numerous phone calls at that 150 a.m. hour that the weatherman on television said there was no need, have absolutely no problems, no bad weather. And I assured them that they were not set off without due notice that there had to be something to alert people's attention. So in talking about this, I thought maybe we could talk about what sets them off, who has the authority, and remind the people again and then I had asked the city manager if we could come up with if it's possible an information number that citizens can dial if they would like instead of 911 to find out if it's high wind a tornado or high water and that's all so Brian would you please tell us chief what the procedure is and I applaud the sirens going off. I think they were called for each time. I don't have a problem with it and most of my calls didn't have. They just wanted to know what was the procedure and could they hear about it a little more? Well I too have received calls on both sides. The weather forecaster, he did apologize. He

[1:57:45] was going by a different criteria. The criteria that we use is set by the National Weather Service for a severe thunderstorm. And any one of these three can trigger the warning of the sirens. It's winds in excess of 58 miles an hour, inch or larger diameter hail, or terranetic activity that is confirmed by spotters, or whatever the National Weather Service used to confirm that deal. We get our information from them. We're basically the, we don't set the policy. We carried out. The reason is that my battalion chief is the highest level of official that's still on duty, usually after five o'clock. So it falls to him and he kind of monitors that. During the day, as far as other people that can set the sirens off, the mayor or the judge, the city manager, the assistant city managers, myself, the fire chief, emergency management coordinator, the battalion chief, of course, and the sheriff or the police chief, all these individuals. And generally, if it happens during the daytime, it's not us that activates it. it's activated through dispatch when this occurs. There are higher, in the past 20 something years ago, we had it set at a higher level. The city took some beatings from some storms that were at a much that were not at the, what the significant severe thunderstorm criteria was was winds in the 70s and larger diameter hail. We got hit several times and damaged the city significantly, and I think there was an outcry about how come the sirens didn't go off at that time, and at that time it was adjusted to this other level, which is what we currently use as our policy. Anthony Wilson's going to get up there, and we've adjusted a few things since that first one went off there about how we alert and what we do, and Anthony Wilson's going to talk a little bit about what we do now. Now I do want to point out very quickly though that the sirens are intended for individuals

[1:59:47] that are outside. Is that correct? That is correct. The warning sirens are intended for people that are outdoors to get in and take cover. Or if you got hail, you might want to know that you move your vehicle in. Small pets, get them inside. It's not really designed to hear, and most people can't hear it inside their houses. It's designed to get people out, out into cover. So and there is still people go, well two o'clock in the morning who's out, well there's quite a few people out at two o'clock in the morning. not a little bitty town that everybody shuts down at six, seven o'clock. I mean there's stores that are open 24 hours of police and fire out. You got newspaper carriers out people. There are many people out and it is designed for them to take cover. And if you're in a house you're already considered to be in cover. And the 58 miles per hour wind that's at the point that you actually start seeing limbs breaking off the trees and falling. So that could actually injure the one the other day we had limbs that were three four or five inches diameter snapped off at Central Fire Station. And that one did not hit the 70 mile an hour criteria from the National Weather Service. And I want to add if I may that that alarm system I don't know when San Angelo installed or how old they are but it is a system that is to alert people outside who maybe don't have a television or a telephone and they're not intended for people to hear. I've had several people want to know why don't we upgrade the system so they can be heard inside and that's that's not its intent. I just want to get that public notice out there. And you are correct that they were designed as air raid sirens first then in the 70s people come to take them as tornadoes sirens and then it's become this is for it's an emergency alert system emergency warning system not just for tornadoes. The other thing is those sirens are very old very old. Matt we asked a question before Anthony gets up. Do you know the logic in the city of Abilene? That's kind of funny to ask. But because they got rid of their sirens more than 15 years ago. I do not. And I mean there's been talk over the

[2:01:48] years of trying to come up with a different alert system. Everybody has phones now and that may be in National Weather Service and I'm kind of looking into that. They have a deal where you don't have to be signed up and when they send the alert out it goes to all phones within that area. That would be nice if we you get something like that because then you don't have to have people signing up, they'll get the alert on their phone. I mean, it wakes me up constantly, but... Brian, and another one, Mayor, before... They go off the first of the month, don't they? They do get tested on the first of the month. They get tested, though. Tested, at noon. And we growl test them weekly, and I know that you'll... If you're close to one, you'll hear a... or... which were... They got a communication device on there, and that that works, then it means theoretically they should go off when we need them to. How does it sound? You've got one right outside your door. I've got one right in front of my house. I hear mine inside. If you're close to them, you will hear them at your house. Usually I hear them because the dog starts out. You're mine. So working with our fire administration, we recently came up with I think a better game plan for how we're going to disseminate information anytime that the warning siren sound. And the first thing that happens is the bat chief calls me and in fact I got a call a couple of weeks ago from one of our bat chiefs and I was kind of expecting it because the weather was turning. And I have at the ready a press release that is a template that has been signed off on both by the fire administration and by the police administration. And so we sort to plug in the holes of that to alert people as to why the sirens have been sounded and what they're to do as a result of that. And what they're to do is, as Chief Dunn said, take cover inside of a structure and then seek further information, whether that be through your television or your radio or your weather radio or through various websites. And so we send that press release out immediately to all

[2:03:50] of our media contacts so that they can begin reporting that information on television and on their websites and on the radio. As soon as I send that out I also post that information on the city's website at cosatx.us and we have an emergency warning and alert at the top of that page and people can subscribe to get those alerts, those e-news alerts, on our website at cosatx.us slash news and we're always encouraging people to do that. I also post that information on the city's Facebook page and on our Twitter feed. So if you are following the City of San Angelo public information on Facebook or if you're following us on Twitter at City of San Angelo then you'll receive that information that way as well. I also send out a Nixle alert. I'm the person who often administers the City of San Angelo Tom Green County Emergency Management department's NYXL feed and as you know you can get the alert sent either to as a text or an email and so anyone who subscribes to that at NYXL.com and we encourage that as well will get that information that way as well and then I also email that press release out to everybody who has a city of St. Angelou email account and one of the reasons for that is just so all of our people will be in the know so that if someone stops them the next day in church or the grocery store or wherever the case might be that hopefully they can explain to folks why the warning sirens were sounded. So I think doing all that we're really doing our due diligence. You know most people are walking around with a computer in their hand via their smartphone or they have very ready access either to the mass media or to a laptop or tablet or desktop or something and I think those are the ways that that people are accessing information these days. Who does this in your absence?

[2:05:52] Absence. It will happen Anthony I mean you know. That's the beauty there of the of the smartphone and of the technology is I mean when the The bat chief called me the other night, you know, I was at home already. And when I'm out of town, I have my laptop with me and I have my smartphone with me, and so I do all that. I mean, obviously Brian Groves is trained on most of this as well, but I'm the point person for these efforts. But you do notify all media sources immediately, so that whomever a public person chose to dial into, tune into or call. They have that information as quickly as it's put out. That's the first step. That's the first step. Very good. Anthony, we address the dedicated phone line that was brought up. Well you know, honestly it's not something that I would endorse and the reason why is I just think the technology has evolved beyond that. Back when I worked in newspapers I remember in the in the mid 90s or so that was a really hot technology but but you don't really see that any longer. And a good example of that is, you know, when was the last time any of us dialed the time and temperature number? And it's probably been a really long time because we have that. The mayor did. That's more. That's more. With the exception of a few folks. But we have that information, you know, right there in our hands almost at all times. And so I think that if people were to look for a phone number in order to get that information, where are they gonna be looking? They're going to be looking on their smartphone. And so it's just as easy for them to access it through our website, email, our Twitter page, our Facebook page, or your next account. I like the idea of the phone push, just because I think a lot of times we experience some sort of power outage. And that alternative measure is good.

[2:07:54] Yeah, I agree. And I'm like the mayor. I don't know how far I live from it, but I can hear it in my house. And we undergo this sort of educational campaign almost on a yearly basis, because people are still in the mindset that these are tornado sirens. And we stress over and over again, they're warning sirens. So any sort of threat to the public safety, the sirens could be sounded. Let's say we had a train derailment in a particular part of a town. Yeah, let's say that. Pick something else. Oh, sorry. But let's say that we had a wildfire or something. You know, the sirens could be sounded in a particular portion of town so that people can then take cover and seek more information. So they're really meant as a warning system, as opposed to simply alerting people to any particular sort of threat. Or somebody crashed into a marquee sign, you know, with a name on it? Mayor, I think this was very good because I was awake at whatever time that morning when the meteorologist was saying that he didn't understand why the city had done that. And so it really did create a lot of confusion. I don't know what the answer is, I really don't. But I think that we all appreciate having some sort of warning system that's dependable. And the more that you can enhance that, the better. And I'm glad we have what we have. I can't imagine living in a community really with nothing because we all have kind of different levels of technology. So however we can address that for all of our community, I think we're better off. And I just want to throw one more thing out there, and I think this is the best logic that I've heard thus far in regards to the warning sirens. And it came from our assistant fire chief, Scott Ferris, who said that he was telling someone who complained about the sirens sounding, and they're not being any tornado that had touched down. And he said, sir, I would much rather be apologizing to you for that than for not sounding them. And someone's property either being destroyed, or God forbid that someone ends up maimed

[2:09:56] or killed. I think he spot on in that thinking. And the cloud that will produce 58 mile an hour wind and one inch hail is also can also produce a tornado. I mean that's a dangerous cloud, so I agree with Scott, I'd rather apologize. I would like to add that in discussions with a lot of folks wanting to know why didn't we update, why didn't as the city has grown, why don't we add more sirens, you know, why are are we not doing this?" And my response, I don't know how the rest of the council feels, my response is that is a system that was developed in the 50s for civil defense air raids and technology has far exceeded those sirens. And as Anthony was saying that most people have phones and the televisions that they can tune into, it is just a warning and I wouldn't want to spend your current tax dollar on a system that is 60 years old that is to alert people outdoors whenever we have the various modes of technology to alert people. I also wanted to ask a few years ago a previous emergency management person during the spring, the first so many customers at certain businesses, we gave away the NOAA radar or weather radar radios. And we've not done that in the last two or three years, and they're inexpensive to buy. I have one in my home that is set, and you can program them for the counties that you wanna hear about, or just Tom Green County. And I would like to see the city look into just like we do shower heads, and so forth, is we promote giving so many of those, maybe at town hall meetings to the first 10 or 50 that show up at a town hall meeting, they receive a nor a radio, that would be nice for folks out there because they are a portion

[2:12:03] of technology to alarm folks. Just a little more talk about it and what those sirens are for, warning. And that's all I wanted to do is to discuss it for the public sake and defend our bat chiefs and fire chiefs for the two warnings that I'm aware of that we've had recently because I thought they were needed. About two weeks ago I had about a half page article come out in the paper if y'all saw that that kind of explained some of that. I was on vacation. And it was it's in the background. Yeah. So it it I think that helped a lot I got quite a few emails on that one too. Any information we can get out will help public. Thank you Brian. Out of number j is discussion on water sales outside say lemons council woman farmer, okay Had a few complaints people who Driving some of these new subdivisions out of the city limits and some beautiful yards and water running down the roads and landscaping In course, we have no say or control overs to how many times they can water the amount of Because we're not providing the water in some of those communities We're not providing it through our water system, but we are providing it through water sales to contractors, and I wanted the council to discuss that thought. I know that we can't – I don't know if we can legally say what someone can resale or who they can resale that water to or where they can resale that water to, but I do know way that of controlling is A, we could possibly visit with the county and see if they would consider some sort of restrictions or guides on water conservation within the county and these subdivisions that are showing up because

[2:14:03] they certainly should be conserving the same as we in the city are and that we're paying taxes to provide them with the service in the city and B, the The only other way that I know of to help conserve and cut back on the waste outside the city limits would be to consider increasing the rate of which we sell that to businesses. And I wanted to hear the rest of the council since I can't talk to more than two other members about the subject. The only way I can talk about it is here at the council is to how they feel. I'm looking directly at Mr. Fleming because he's really been on a good charge for water and conservation and water rates. Mayor, can we take this kind of in two phases? Can we first talk about how certain subdivisions are direct water users of the city? with me. And then maybe talk about what should be written in contracts where we are suppliers to various other water supply corporations. Is that okay? Good way as any. I guess that means your own Bill. I'm a strong believer that if you're not a taxpayer of the city that you shouldn't be receiving the same benefits as someone who is. So I don't understand by policy how any subdivision and was ever allowed city water? Well, that's not unusual for cities to serve. Still bad public policy in my opinion, but. Let me show you first off your ordinance and the ordinance anticipates that. So that we have a requirement in the ordinance that if somebody requests service outside the city limits that they be annexed, that they have to request annexation. Also, there's a rate schedule specifically for outside the city limits.

[2:16:03] that anticipates that there are some benefits they're getting or that they need to pay far beyond what the normal rate would pay for, so it's one and a half times the normal rate. Go back to the annexation, but the neighborhoods we're talking about have never asked for annexation. Correct. You'll get there. Well, and I don't know the history of Highland Range, which is specifically the subdivision That is being served there's about 190 connections out there that we serve directly. There's about 70 or 80 other services in various parts of the city not specifically whole subdivisions But areas that are served outside the city limits for whatever reason and those obviously have not been annexed because they're outside the city limits But don't our rules Don't our rules say that you have to be inside the city limits and if if not this is saying but they're going to ask to be brought into the city limits. Well, at one point of clarification, and I think this has come up before, if the request is for water service in the ETJ outside of the corporate limits of the city, they only have to request annexation. If that occurs, but the water department wants to approve the service, and they're not annexed, that service is legal under our ordinance and under the PUC. Did that happen? That I don't know the subdivision you're talking about, it hasn't been researched, But I know during my term with the city, I saw that situation and I wondered, you know,

[2:18:10] what might happen if the annexation wasn't approved. But it's- This particular island range existed before this policy, but before there was. So there were a couple of areas that existed before the policy and at the time council chose to allow those to continue as best I recall. And just to add to what Dan said, or to clarify, the water department can't make that decision on their own. This would say that it would come before a council. If the council didn't want to pursue annexation, not an individual department. That's correct. But you could end up with the service outside, but I think from what I understand in most of these, Highland Range and then the other ones, is these happen, most of them happen for whatever seniority circumstance prior to this language. And this is the policy, the current policy. Okay. Just trying to understand. It is legal as an implement for a city to serve outside of their city limits. And it is okay to have a different rate. The state recognizes that you can do that. Can we do that though if we turn on the hickory? There is some provisions in the permits that do not allow us to sell that outside the city. that outside the city. So what do we do? We're blending that right now on a monthly basis. Well it's maybe a little bit more complicated than that but we're only serving the surface water outside the city. Interesting. It doesn't, I don't think that the permit means that it just because we're blending it that we can't continue to serve customers outside the city. For one thing we can't turn those off. We can't just... I understand that. So if as long as we have another water supply besides the hickory we can serve our customers outside the city okay well I guess my question now is are we and I are we using another source to get

[2:20:13] around this ordinance. I Buffalo Heights, who services Buffalo Heights. We actually have a contract with UCRA to treat water for them and then they in turn sell that water to control rural water who serves several other entities. So I'm going to ask that question again, are we using another entity to get around this ordinance? That contract has been in place for some time, so. It wasn't in place before this ordinance. Okay. I can't speak to that, Councilman, but I don't think, in my opinion, that it was used to get around this ordinance. I think it was used to provide, that was a mechanism to provide service to some people. not actually by that contract we're treating their water for them at a cost and they are in turn selling their water that we treat for a cost to those customers. Is it more than what we're paying inside the city? The contract is currently as two dollars and twenty five cents a thousand for this treatment of that. That is up and we're looking at that rate as part of the rate study we're doing. So, Johnny, I was just thinking maybe that this isn't even in the same conversation, but if we are selling water to folks outside the city limits at what time in, I mean, one and a half times, what prevents us from putting out a structure fire outside of the city limits? I mean, is there any connection there? I mean, they are outside the city limits.

[2:22:13] I've heard where our fire department won't city limits right so what I mean what I don't think does anything to do with where we serve water I would think that would be a policy of the fire department and maybe available water for being able to do that so it's totally different commercial okay but one thing I would like to point out in regards to miss farmers questions about conservation is the contracts that we have with UCRA do address conservation. The controversial water also has a very strict water conservation program. In fact, I think they're in drought level three for most of their system. We also, the individuals that are on our system, are required to follow within the ETJ, follow the city's conservation program. So are there still other entities, though, that you didn't mention that don't follow our conservation levels? There are none that I am aware of. There are a bulk, the water barrel by, they are actually a public water system, they have a public water supply number, they buy water in bulk and they sell that in truck loads in various places, but that's not necessarily for watering, it might be for watering landscape or something, but it's mostly for, you know, potable domestic uses. So I did ask for and did receive copies. Thank you very much of the various water purchase contracts between all the UCRA, rule, concrete, grid, create, all of the different contracts that have read through them. And I'm not happy. I don't feel like as conservative as our citizens within the city limits have been, they have shown that they have been conservative. I don't feel like in the county and the different places

[2:24:13] that subdivisions have popped up, that they are abiding by a stricter regulations. And the waters, whether it's coming from UCRA, or the city of St. Angelo, it all comes from basically the same source where we're getting the water. And that's a fact. So narrowing down and looking at the various contracts, the only thing that I can come up with is maybe if we ask you to visit or work with the county and ask if they could come up with some restrictions and requirements to put on those subdivisions out in the county for the use of water, or we possibly look at increasing the rate that we're charging to encourage them not to be as free, because I took a drive to Buffalo Heights and out to Highland Range, and a few of the other little communities that have popped up, and there's very nice lawns. Very large lawns. I think it's all of the above. I think we look at our contracts and make sure they're secure in that regard. We work with the county and we take whatever, I agree with you completely. If we're asking citizens of St. Angelo to be, to use water wisely, anybody that's using our water should apply by the same. But that's what I was basically looking for from asking it to be put on the agenda to see how the other council members felt that it would be worthwhile to work with the county to ask them to put out some restrictions and have a reporting entity so people could call and report overuse or misuse. And that was my feeling in the matter. I don't know about the rest of the council. I'm not sure the mechanisms available. I know that the county is working very hard and very concerned about the water supplies available in the rural areas. I also know that the state considers us, so we had some conversations with Representative Darby and also with the TCQ, they're very concerned that the City of San Angelo is a leader in this area

[2:26:15] for looking at more regional water supplies. And so that doesn't mean we pay for it. It means that we need to have those things in place, but we also need to include a greater area looking at how we're gonna solve, I think, the water supplies in the future. That would assist also. We talked about swift funding a little bit earlier as well. We started looking from the monies from the state that we are showing that we are not just serving just strictly just inside the city limits, but actually some of the smaller communities around us. So my understanding is that they were way favorably honest that we actually do include those other smaller communities, is that correct? Absolutely, in fact, I don't think without that, it's been stressed that it might be difficult for us to get any funding. I think that that's an important part of the state funding is that, especially the larger entities like San Angelo would be, I said a leader in looking at a larger area than just within our city limits. Well, I completely agree with Ms. Grindstaff that if you are using city water connected to city water, you should be in the city limits. That kind of goes against what he just said, though. I mean, we need to have some of those connections in order to get some of these grants in the future. Well, yeah, and again, it's not unusual at all for a city to sell water outside of the city limits. And it might be bad policy. But as a wholesale provider, if you will, for other water supply entities. If you just start serving in individual customers, that becomes a little bit more problematic, a little bit harder to police, if you will, the use. And so it's a better policy to serve to another public water supply. So I'm not sure how to fix Highland Range or the other individuals that were out there prior to this policy, but I think as a matter of policy, you're right, and that's why this ordinance exists. Yeah, you know, when I say that about being inside

[2:28:18] or outside, I understand that we are a regional provider, and I think that's what is appropriate for a city like ours out here alone. I think that's perfectly right. I just believe that when you talk about individual taps that those should never occur anymore. And we are inheriting some previous policies that were maybe a little bit faster and looser than we've been. I would guess this is about 10 years old if I had to guess. And I think we've been good at enforcing this, so I can't speak to what happened before either. But going forward, I think if we're providing bulk water to another supply corporation, they should have the same restrictions that our own citizens have, if not more strict, because I don't want to see it just be an issue of money, you can go water as much as you want as long as you pay for it outside of the city, and then we be in a no water situation. It's not fair either, so I'm not going to be prescriptive in what I think you need to to do, but I'm certainly, you know, in support of you kind of aligning these agreements so that we're all, I guess, consistently approaching how we supply water within the city and outside of the city, as long as it's using the appropriate entity. And I would agree with you completely. In fact, I believe that our water conservation and drought contingency plan requires us to require others that we sell to to have the same restrictions. And I know that you will receive a compassionate ear with Rick Bacon, and also with with Steve Floyd, I would suggest that you speak to him and see if they can get something on a county wide basis. And we can sketch this. One last thing we are working though on a plan overall on how we're going to deal with his hickory in the future. Let's say worst case scenario that we do have to to flip over to the

[2:30:20] hickory and using it predominantly. I mean we're going to have some kind of contingency plan or is the plan just they get cut off. We are working on that. Okay. But we have to look at the recycling aspect of it as well. Is that actually still qualify as well that strictly only hickory water? I mean it's already been used, it's been consumed, it's been passed through. So we'll have to look at that aspect of it as well. Okay. I just don't want us to get sued by those guys again. Absolutely. I think it would be easy to take the position from my perspective that that's different water that's now and I agree with you I think it will be especially if we use the reclaimed water blend in and it changes thank you and Mr. Raleigh I want to thank you the hard time that I gave you and gathering this information and bringing it forward as to exactly who we sell water to and where it's just a concern because it's precious commodity and I do appreciate the hard work that you put into it to get me the right answers. Thank you. Thank you sir. Aid is follow up in administrative issues, consideration of approving various board nominations. Park Commission, Santa Fe, Bitsy Stone at large to a second full term ending January 219 and Julia Lane at large to a second full term ending January 219. and Recreation Advisory Board, Bitsy Stone, Park Commission appointee to a first full-term ending December 216. Move to approve. Second. Do we have a motion to approve as presented from Johnny? Marty has seconded. Council discussion. Public discussion. All in favor of adopting this as presented, please say aye. Aye. Put a 7-0 on that one. All right, closed session, executive session. there was one item that one item has been pulled their heart we got another part

[2:32:22] the second party we get that no the park do what yeah no there's one item on my executive and it has it understand that has been pulled okay so the executive item has been pulled there is nothing to be done under executive the The only thing then that we have left is announcements and considerations of future agenda items. I'll start with you Elizabeth. Do you have anything to add, ma'am? Just June 22nd, neighborhood chat, code compliance, animal control, and other interesting subjects. That's at six o'clock at St. Mark's Presbyterian. No. Right here at Pitzy Stone, is he? He did him both. Let's see. Did you have anything, ma'am? Yes, sir. Charlotte? Yes, I want to remind every one of the charter review committee meeting tonight at Southland Baptist Church, 530, please, please, if you're out there, attend this meeting to get your questions answered that may be still lingering as to the charter review. The other thing is I would like to ask Shane if he would please look into what is needed for a traffic study at Twin Mountain and knickerbocker. I have received numerous complaints about inability to get out to go to work and at Twin Mountain and Southwest. And also Southwest in front of McDonald's is the possibility of a turn lane. It's not feasible to put a stoplight people at Green Meadow. It's too short a distance and traffic already backs up almost to Southland of a morning's and evenings there. but possibly Shane at looking at adding another lane which would be a turn lane to alleviate some of the congestion in there. That's not a agenda item, but it is future stuff

[2:34:22] that I'd like for Shane to look at for me in a Friday report. Okay. Johnny, do you have any thanks, sir? Marty? No. Rodney. Yes, can we put on to the next meeting to talk about the water times and the scheduling for the summer and winter. I'd like to have a full discussion on that and possible action. Anything else? I have nothing. I'm asking for an adjournment. All in favor please say aye. Aye. 1158 and this meeting is over.

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