San Angelo City Council 1-19-16

[0:00:00] Clock. Let's get this meeting started. We're still one board member short, but we do have a quorum, so let's go ahead and get this going. I'm going to ask Dr. James Hassell, if you would, to come up. He's the pastor of the First Baptist Church and start us in prayer. Stand as your able place. Let's pray together. Our Heavenly Father, we come before you today and we thank you for a beautiful day. We thank you for the freedom to gather and to discuss matters that are important to not only our city, but important to you. And so, Lord, we approach you out of reverence and with thanksgiving today. And we pray for wisdom for those who will be making decisions that that affect our lives, we thank you for these who are elected and those who represent us so ably, and we thank you, Lord, for the process of dialogue and discussion and decision-making that other people may not have in their cities or states where they are and so we thank you Lord for this freedom and we pray for wisdom. We ask these things in Jesus name. Amen. And now if I could have the my pledges come forward these are our pledges from San Angelo Catholic school. We've got Jackson Hunter first grade, Blaine Belcher first grade, Emily Baird third gate and Abigail Beard fifth grade. Y'all ready to go? All right. And it is my pleasure today to recognize the Angelo State volleyball team. So we're gonna get,

[0:03:00] we're moving a little out of agenda to get them first. They have to be back in class at 9.30. If I could get y'all to come forward and while you're coming up here I'd like to read a couple of tournaments and a couple of paragraphs and then we'll have the coach introduce you. Under the direction of eight-year coach Chuck Wattington, the Bells closed out his season with a final record of 33 and 6 and claiming a 14-1 record at home. For the first time in program history the Angelo State volleyball team was selected as the number one seed in the south central region and earned the right to host the south central regional tournament. The 215 Bells were the third ASU volleyball team in the program history to make it to the regional tournament championship game in which they fail short in a five-set thriller. Prior to its regional tournament appearance he says he wanted 7th Lone Star Conference tournament with a host over host victory over host Tarleton State. The team finished the season ranked 21st in the AVCA National Poll. By season's end the team led the Lone Star Conference with a .228 hitting percentage and 259 kills more than his close competition, which also averaged a conference leading 14.4 kills per match. Defensively, the Bells led the conference averaging 19.06 digs per match with a total of 2,764. Mallory Blouser, Maggie Joe Cuffery, and Katie McLeigh were all named ADCA All-Americans. While Cuffery was also named a CCA All-American and McLeigh named a CO-SIDA Academic All-American. This was the first time in in program history that a bell was named to both an ABC All-American and a cosada academic All-American. It is my pleasure to give a certificate of recognition by the San Angelo City Council to recognize the Angelo State University Bell volleyball team for the many accomplishments season along with their dedication to embody the very best of what it means to be a student athlete coach well this is a this is pretty cool I want to introduce these young ladies

[0:05:05] I'll kind of go around the circle so I may turn my back to you for a second but we have Mallory Davidson, Brianna Sotello, Chloe Herrian, Taylor Seton, Kelly Hasbrooke, spinning sorry Morgan, Seton, Katie McClay, Mallory Blouser, Abby Lynn, I'm Brenda Colleen, Michaela Sequentes, Brooke Robertson, my assistant coach Ben Farmer, and our graduate assistant, Ashley Gates. I appreciate you guys having us up here, this is pretty cool, so thank you very much. And there is not a better way in the world to start a council meeting than to honor our kids from San Angelo, Texas, we're so very proud of you and what you have done, thank you. We now have another recognition. is for the San Angelo Catholic Schools. I got them out of order, but let's go ahead and go with you. This will be for San Angelo Catholic Schools. It's a proclamation and if y'all would start coming forward and we'll read this and I'll

[0:07:06] present you with this. With the theme Catholic Schools Community is a Faith Knowledge and Service. Catholic Schools in San Angelo and across the nation are celebrating National Catholic Schools Week from Sunday, January 31 to Saturday, February 6 to 16. Angelo Catholic School has been part of San Angelo since October of 1888 and therefore has been part of the community for over 120 years and Angelo Catholic school is help make our city a loving community. Angelo Catholic school prepares his students not only with fine academic training but also with spiritual values that will make them good citizens able to contribute to the community and become leaders of the future. Now therefore I, Dwayne Morrison mayor of the city of San Angelo, Texas. On behalf of the city council do hear by proclaimed the week of January 31th, February 6th 216 is National Catholic Schools Week and Encourage. The community to pay tribute to the dedication and service of Angelic Catholic Schools as they celebrate over 120 years of presence in San Angelo. And who's, and you get to make a speech. I would just like to say thank you for recognizing us. We have a wonderful school with Angelic Catholic Schools. I've been on the job for about five days now, so it's a new thing for me, but I am loving it. The people are wonderful, the kids are great. So thank you very much for your recognition and taking time to recognize us, we appreciate that very much. Thank you very much. Back here. Let's get a picture. Now I would like to honor City of St. Angelo, a United Way campaign, the Consul Valley.

[0:09:20] Come forward and let me read this and make a presentation. The City of St. Angelo has long supported the United Way of the Consul Valley. The United Way raises funds that support 20 local programs offered by 19 non-profit agencies. These agents include the Adult Literacy Council, the Boys and Girls Club, the Consular Valley Regional Food Bank, and the Salvation Army. Their efforts touch people of all stages of life, from infants in the womb to the elderly and firm, and addresses the command of all social ills we see in our community, from child abuse and addiction to homelessness and teen pregnancy. In a campaign that ended December 31, the City of St. Angelo raised a record $111,764. the United Way of the Consul Valley topping the prior high by about $7,000. This marks the third time that the city's campaign eclipsed the $100,000 mark. Much of the credit goes to the city's two lone executive of the United Way City events, manager Sidney Walker, and police officer Rick Tinsley and to the public information officer Anthony Wilson, who served as a 215 campaign chair for the United Way of the Consul Valley. We also command Stephanie Collins, the fire department's as Executive Office Coordinator and Lloyd DeVilla, Business Finance Assistance and City Command, whose yeoman efforts propel the campaign to success. Mostly, however, we wish to honor the generosity of our city employees, whose service and commitment to our community and its citizens extend well beyond their job. Now, therefore, I'd to Wayne Morrison, Mayor of the City of St. Angelo on behalf of the City Council, who hereby recognize and applaud the city of St. Angelo employees for their achievements and positive determination to make a difference in our community. Mr. Wilson, you have the microphone. You know, the generosity of my colleagues who work for the city never ceases to amaze me, but even I was blown away by the effort this year on behalf of the United Way. We raised $112,000 as the mayor said, which was about $8,000 more than we had ever raised

[0:11:25] before and marked only the third time that we've eclipsed the $100,000 mark. And a lot of the credit goes to our two loaned executives, our civic events manager, Sidney Walker, who is not here, but police officer Rick Tinsley, who led the campaign for our police department. And I also wanted to really recognize Stephanie Collins. She is the executive office coordinator for the fire department. And because of her leadership, our fire department, our firefighters gave $10,000 more this year than they did last year, which was huge for us. us. And then also Lori Davila, who works here in civic events, she managed our raffle this year, which was wildly successful and helped us reach this new height. But mainly I want to recognize my colleagues. Again, their generosity is overwhelming. And I think it not only speaks to their generosity this year's campaign, but their commitment to serving this community and their family, friends, and neighbors who live here beyond their hours on the clock here for the city. So, you know, to my friends and my colleagues, to my peers with the city, I actually applaud you. So, thank you very much. We have a speech here. Oh, no. Let's get a picture. And we have one more proclamation. Field neighbors, start this way, please, sir. And you're bored, and whoever else is with you. This is for the San Angelo Chamber of Commerce, celebrating their centennial year.

[0:13:25] Organized in December 1915, the San Angelou Chamber of Commerce has continuously operated as a non-profit corporation since January 1916, consistently working to promote the small businesses that comprise the majority of its members, assisting them in success and thereby creating local jobs and opportunities for owners investing in small business. Throughout its history, the Chamber has worked to attract, grow and protect employers from From private sector manufacturers, retailers, and service companies to public employers such as Goodfella Air Force Base, Angelo State University, and others that provide primary employment for local residents. From its earliest years, the Chamber has promoted San Angelo as an outstanding place for business, family, and leisure, consistently promoting the attractions that make the San Angelo unique, including the Conchville River, Lake Nazworthy Fort Conchville, the Littigarten Museum, a fine arts, cactus, hotel, the state park, historic downtown, and the friendliest people found anywhere in the world. The beginning of numerous events and organizations are tied to the chamber, including the San Angelo Stock Show and Rodeo, the Better Business View Road, the Showdown in San Angelo and Dragboat Races, and former events that had left the mark on our history, including the Miss Wool, American Pageant, Fiesta Del Concho, and numerous others. Business and community leaders have that provided outstanding leadership to and through the chamber. For the past centuries, serving in various roles in the Chamber's Leadership San Angelo is hosting its 33rd class and 216 providing educated leaders for the community. With the membership of over 1100 accounts and 1800 individuals, the chamber has received a four-star accreditation, something only 3% of chambers nationwide achieved, and will be commemorating its history, leadership, and accomplishments throughout 216 beginning with the Centennial Banquet on January 21, 2016, in the Magnus Convention Center. Now, therefore, I, Duane Morrison, Mayor of the Great State City of San Angelo, Texas, on behalf of the City Council, do hereby proclaim to 16, as the Centennial Year

[0:15:27] of the San Angelo Chamber of Commerce, and encourage all citizens to commend the 100 years of impact and accomplishments, divided to San Angelo by the visionary leaders of the San Angelo Chamber of Commerce. Mr. neighbors, and the Marshall Tommy's yours. All right, I'd like our board chair, Jamie. I can just say a few words, but we just want to again thank the city council and staff for our partnership and all the things that we get to do together. Jamie. Thank you, Phil. And yes, I want to echo what Phil said as a special thank you to the city and city council and the mayor for this proclamation. This is a very special year for us. We're excited. We hope that you will join us Thursday for the Centennial banquet that will be right here. If you haven't got your tickets, please call the chamber today because today is the deadline. I also want to introduce our board members that we have with us today. Cheryl Fluger, Stan Metter, Todd Herring, Michael Looney's with the staff and of course you all know Phil. So thank you for this and we hope you will join us throughout the year. And now it is time for the public comment section of our meeting in which we allow members of

[0:17:37] the public to come forward and to address the council. Anything you want to say, anything you want to address, pro or car, this will be your opportunity. Let me read the legalities, please. Issues or items that are not on the agenda may be raised by the public at this time, citizens should speak from the podium beginning by stating their name in let me remarks to less than five minutes. Council members may request that discuss the item be placed on the future agenda. This council takes public comment on all regular agenda items during discussion of those items. So I will open the floor up now to those that wish to approach the City Council and make your statements if you would line up at the microphone at the front. Line up at the microphone at the front, how long you want to wait? We've got we've got it we've got the break at 10. You want to just wait till then? Alright then I will end this portion of the public comment and I will take it to our council members. I'll start with you Ms. Grindstaff or any announcements that you need to make or if there's anything you want to pull off the consent agenda. If you turn them nothing to pull off the consent mayor but I would like to say that we had a very successful neighborhood chat last week at St. Paul Presbyterian. Thank you for the church for allowing us in. Lucy joined me and it was a pretty interesting conversation. I won't say it was nice at all times, a little contentious, but citizens still seem to be very concerned with, of course, future water supply and particularly rates. The condition of our streets to the point I think they would like to see a progress report considering all of the monies that we have allocated. So I think that we should look for some way of doing that and then some environmental issues as it impacts land development that's perhaps city owned and seeing what we can do to get some properties moving and get them back on the tax rolls. So that was what came out of that and thank you for letting me share that.

[0:19:42] I just wanted to let this work for now that come February we're going to have a town hall meeting also. So, more information coming next, council meeting. I missed you guys last time. I really did. I just, well, I don't have anything to pull from the agenda. Everything is fine, but I wanted to give a quick report, if I could, on the meeting that I attended in Austin. It was a port planes board meeting, as well as the text dots meeting. Things are really moving. Mr. Manger with the possibility and prospects of an I-27, as well as an I-14 going across the east-west corridor of Texas. And think about it, and be thinking about it. We need everyone's help and push with their leaders, congressmen, their representative that they represent, that San Angelo does need this for economic reasons through our city. And I brought the mayor back our new, how do you say it? There. Oh, oh, gummy, a gummy, a gummy, a gummy, but it was a good trip, good meeting, and, uh, missed you. They said to tell you hello. It's just coincidence. But you were not here last week, last time. You were the only one and we were out of here before name. I think that's simply a coincidence. Mr. Donnie, you have anything, sir? The only thing I have, I did get a call from one my constituents and I'm glad Shane is here he this gentleman lives on covalent close to San Jose to elementary and I don't know who we reach out to but he'd like to see more watch out for children signs or whatever signs you can put out there because seem the traffic get pretty wild and woolly out there and also I do have an appointment at 11 30 and 45 must step up for a little while but I'll be back and that's really all I have Mr. Marty

[0:21:45] We go on fast lunch. It was on shortly. No, I have a whole list. I have a whole list. I have nothing at this time. Mr. Rodney, I don't have anything to pull at this time, but I do want to remind everybody, I think the registration for the single member districts is tomorrow, it opens tomorrow. And I encourage people to come out and try to help make a difference. If you're a complainer and you want to do something about it, step up and do something about it. well, well put. That then will no one pull anything off consent. We'll be able to handle that pretty quickly. I would like to make the announcement. We do have a meeting that we must attend. It's with one of the lawyers on I believe it's a steel coat program on our executive. So it somewhere around 10. We will break for our our break. And then our meeting with him is at 1015 shouldn't take more than 10 to 15 minutes Okay, but at 10 15, we do have a meeting and we've got to work within his schedule, so we'll break somewhere around 10, we're going to the executive, we will recess for the executive, one decision at 10 15, hopefully we can be back within 30 minutes. So hopefully we can be started back up again by 10 45, but this is something that scheduled we must break. All right, that ought to take care of the announcements. I will entertain a motion to accept the consent agenda. Motion to approve. I will accept a second. Marty, I have Elizabeth making the motion. I have Marty seconding. Do I have any further talk on the council about the consent? Do I have any public comment on the consent agenda? If not, I will call for the vote. All in favor, please say aye, aye. Opposed, nay. Let's put a 7-0 on that one, please, Brian. The regular agenda starts with item number A, which is a presentation of the biannual report from downtown San Angelo Inc presentation by downtown San Angelo Executive Director's Dale Velasquez and downtown San Angelo President.

[0:23:47] Brenda Gunter, good to say y'all this morning. Thank you. Thank you. You have the floor. Thank you, council, and thank you for your support. We're gonna start off with new gizmo for me. I'm gonna start off in talking about vacant buildings. Lake, well, actually last year, we started a task force in conjunction with partnership with the planning department and had property owners and people who were interested in addressing this issue. And I reported that in my state report and subsequently was asked to give a presentation at last year's Main Street Summer Conference. As a result, the state decided to do something, and they requested a grant and received it to develop software package. And they're in the process currently of hiring a company that will develop the software package. We were asked to apply to be one of the Main Street cities that will be working with the developer in coming up with the software. And we were told late last month that we had been selected as the city to work with the developer. So we're pretty proud of that. And look forward to addressing that issue. In relationship to vacant buildings, I wanted to give you a little update. There's a significant building on the significant corner in downtown, almost right in the middle of downtown, that we had a developer and I guess this is to kind of reiterate the point that we really need to be a little bit more aggressive in terms of how we address these issues, but we had a developer offer a million dollars for a building

[0:25:48] that's not worth a million dollars, but cognizant, I think they paid somewhere in range of two hundred to three hundred thousand dollars. 167. Okay and they off the the developer offered him a million dollars they rejected it they mean and then he came back again about six or seven months later thinking well maybe they they'll rethink the offer and again name he was rejected and so and unfortunately this particular property owner has other key properties in the city and all of them are in disrepair. And I think one of them has even been condemned. And so anyway, I bring this up because I know we've had a change in the planning department and I know John James and I have spoken about this. We're going to hopefully get this ordinance and draft that we put together to address this issue and I'm hoping that we'll be able to bring it to council here in the near future. The other thing that I wanted to talk about was we established, we had a meeting with property owners, with city staff as part of the streetscaping project. You know, that's been an ongoing issues with delays, et cetera. And we did meet and my understanding is that sometimes in February, March timeframe, is that correct, Rick? We should be seeing some new trees being planted in the empty wells that have been there for a while. And so we're thankful for that. One of the other things that we have been initiated through the economic development partners is the concept of pop-up stores. And if you're not familiar with that, I'll just give you a quick description. And basically what it does is we can get an agreement with property owners to host a company

[0:27:49] or a business, I should say, for a temporary time where they basically get free rent during that time to kind of test their product or their business model for that period of time. And then in response, hopefully, that they'll be successful that they end up making a lease with one of these empty buildings that we have downtown. So we're working on getting that project up and running. One of the things that my favorite part of this job is the outreach aspects of what we get to do with the partners in the city really, because we work with so many groups, and predominantly through the platform of the art walk. And so we help organizations, such as the Laura Bush Institute for Women's Health or Angelo State University's Greek Life and Student Involvement Program, different organizations like that, the ballet, where we helped promote and helped them with some of their own fundraising efforts. So that was something that we did throughout the last six months, actually throughout the year. And with that, I'm going to turn that over to Brenda. The first thing you'll find in your packet as it relates to a progress report on downtown San Angelo, Inc., is our quarterly mixed beverage tax report. We're happy to announce that with all the downturn, if you will, in the economy and all of the changes in the economy, that we continue to have some good performances as it relates to the alcohol tax report, meaning that in our central business district where the city had a 24, almost 25% decrease in their liquor taxes. Our central business district

[0:29:50] only had a 3.8% negative and our main street actually had a 19% pickup in liquor tax. So one of the things that downtown went through is as the rest of the city continued to do really well with the oil boom downtown was not such a part of that oil boom. We didn't feel the positive increases that the rest of the city did, but on the other hand, as we had a little bit of a downturn, we've continued to stabilize and not felt the huge negative impact that the rest of the city has in alcohol sales tax. If you look at the total city of San Angelo in the third quarter, second and third quarter, they had a 3% decrease in second quarter and an almost 10.5% decrease in the third quarter. If you look at our central business district, you will see that our retail sales in the second quarter had a 10% decrease in a third quarter, a negative 3%, which would be, it says 9,496, that should be a negative, and the 2,956 should be a negative. But again, we're proud to say that our decreases have not been as substantial as perhaps the overall city has been, so again, we haven't had the negative impact at this point. If you look at the main street, you'll see here's where we had a negative impact and that is an almost 9% decrease in the second quarter and a 5% decrease in the third quarter. Downtown San Angel Inc. like many retail across the country have had a difficult retail world. The web internet has had a negative impact. We will continue to feel that impact just as the rest of the retail world across the country has had, so we have to find ways to better address the retail business. We do know that we are starting to see a much bigger pickup in terms of traffic into downtown,

[0:31:54] meaning that with hotel rates lowered and with hotel rooms available, we're starting to see a much stronger crowd in the downtown area from outside of the city. So those, although they're a negative for the city, are positive for downtown in terms or who comes to visit and have the affordability to stay. Next. If you look at the retail mixed beverage tax report and overall city had a 6.3% decrease in the third quarter, the central business district had a 8% decrease and Main Street at almost 11%. And again, that goes back to the retail numbers. One of the items that continues to perform well as we talked about was the liquor tax. And of course, what we know is that liquor tax, liquor business, the bar business, is not an internet business. So it's a localized business. It can't be transported to other towns, unlike what retail is. And we don't have to fight with the big box or other issues that can impact the retail business. We also know that in the third quarter that sometimes bad, the wrong business can end up in the downtown area and have a huge impact on the overall impact of our downtown area, which happened in the second and third quarter of this year, that business is gone. Bars are starting to feel a positive upbeat from that. There was great concern about some of the safety issues downtown, and police chief Vasquez was very quick to address them. We've had meetings with some future bar owners to make sure that they understand the need to keep the downtown bar business clean, positive, and not cutthroats so that we don't end up with the crime and the stress that that puts on other bars in the downtown area. Our reinvestment, I should stop and then ask you if you have any questions concerning the statistics

[0:33:54] on retail sales and liquor tax. Questions Council? What we do know is that when buildings become available, there's still a huge interest for additional bars to open up in the downtown area. And again, we say that because that can be localized. It's not something that the internet impacts negatively. And it's not something that transports to another city well. If you look at our reinvestment, the private sector through the second and third quarters, we had a total private sector reinvestment of $53 million. And the public sector, the public, we had a total of $4,430,000. So we have a total public expenditures, cumulative over 10 years of 39,323,000. And if you look at the cumulative between public and private, it's been $92,982,000. So we continue to show improvement in the projects and the reinvestment into buildings and businesses in the downtown area. I mentioned earlier the promotions and the collaborative work that we get to do with the rest of the community. I'm not gonna spend a lot of time on here, but it's in your packet, but I do wanna mention, we do have some booklets here that I wanted to pass out. One of them is the Historic Downtown Tab. That's a collaborative effort that we work with, the San Angeles Standard Times. It's printed twice a year, and it's a marketing tool. I will tell you that we learned at our last meeting with the Standard Times that Abilene requested they not bring our book anymore to Abilene, because they weren't happy about it. And I noticed recently that they put up a billboard on Sherwood Way, Abilene did, about coming to Abilene. So they're a little bit more proactive about that.

[0:35:54] The other thing is the downtown development, a decade of downtown development, we celebrated our 10 year as a downtown main street program last year and developed that book. So enjoy reading that, and that really concludes our report. Any questions from Council? Good question. Regarding the difficulty in having developers be able to invest in a property and put it back into use and back at a higher rate on the tax rolls and help stimulate further development, what do you think it is that the city can be doing to help you do that? Well, I think number one is that there should be pressure, for example, on this building that we were talking about. It's the second time a substantial offer was made on the building. Of course, I believe in private property rights, so I'm not going to tell anybody that they should sell at whatever price, just because it's offered. On the other hand, there's been no reinvestment in that building since the timeframe that people bought that building. So, but meanwhile they pay less than $600 in tax on that building so there's no real incentive and yet we also stepped out and are spending tears money to destroy one of their buildings that's been condemned at the same point in time they won't sell the building. So I look at it and I go why are we spending our money to get them their building when they won't sell their building to help us move downtown forward. So it's hard to even get a developer, you know, developers have to have a minimum amount of dollars that they can spend in order to make a development work. In other words, it's about a $15 million investment that they have to make. So it's one or two buildings. If you can't get those buildings combined, you can't get here and do a building one at a time and really come out ahead of the game. This gentleman is so enticed by San Angelo, would love to be here, but he can't be here until he can buy a building. At that point time, however, we need to be ready to work with him to make that project

[0:37:59] work. So, we struggle with what are the things we can offer that developer? What is it we need to do to get him here to do a project here, but we've got to be able to buy a building first. We have two buildings, the Roosevelt Hotel and the Townhouse Hotel, which both people who purchase those buildings are still very intent and very interested in developing those buildings. Unfortunately, both of them want to make hotels out of them. And right now, because of the enormous amount of hotel rooms and hotels we have getting bank financing for those buildings is impossible, no one will do it. And yet those buildings aren't necessarily buildings that the greatest end use should be downtown living. Downtown living is our number one strategy, it's the number one thing that we have to have to continue to grow our downtown area. Main Street downtown area is developed living first and and business the second We're totally the opposite yet. We've been successful with it, but we have 70 vacant buildings We need them developed and we need support from City Council in terms of how we can work with these developers The key will be the incentive aspects of it. You know incentivizing the developers not only on property owners, not only on the positive side, but also there needs to be some, and this policy that we're looking at does address having an impact and kind of forcing people to play their hand. I think we've made it easy for vacant buildings to be neglected without any sort of consequence to that, and that's something that I think we can be a little bit more proactive on. Again, as you say, not to say that we're, we need them to turn to people from outside of the city, but so that they're active, they're active businesses again, and again, not just sitting with the blighting influence on the other properties.

[0:40:01] Other comment from Council? Opening up for public comment. Is there anyone in the public who wishes to ask a question or anything you need to say? Let's get on here. Mr. Veláquez, we thank you very much. Very good presentation. Thank you for your support. Item number B on the regular agenda is an update and a discussion related to street rehabilitation and reconstruction. Mr. Kelton, you do have the microphone, sir. Council, good morning. We're passing around for y'all's information. This is some excerpts out of the food growth study that kind of give a bigger picture than what I'm going to present today. basically we're going to cover kind of what that 10 year time frame is going to look like and this gives a little bit bigger picture from what came out of the food growth study. It does work. All right with that what I want to do is kind of give you all today kind of a quick rundown. I know we don't have a lot of time before we need to break so I'm going to make this quick. Not necessarily going to read all of this but these are our reconstruction projects and how they were prioritized as we move forward this is kind of the basis from which we will start moving and these are reconstruction projects as we move on again reconstruction projects prioritized out through number 15 there and then we move into milling overlay projects and again these are prioritized out over the over the term. Some of the you know and of course this I want to make sure that everybody realizes that this is this is somewhat of a living breathing kind of document. Some of this will have the ability to flex and change and move as as bids come back in whether they're lower or they're higher be able to kind of

[0:42:02] adjust monies and move them around a little bit. Also if other funding sources in the future have found that we can add to these this also will allow us to kind of move and flex a little bit as we go. So this this is the we want to kind of stay in this order for the most part but it is a but it is a moving breathing document that we can adjust as we need to as we move forward. And of course this will be this presentation will be on the city's website as we move forward and as well as moving forward and Councilwoman Grindstaff is as eluded to earlier keeping people updated as we move forward on these projects. One of the things we're doing is we're going to work with the engineering staff and on their calendars that the engineering staff keeps on construction projects. We're going to try to work with Anthony to create a link to where citizens can link in on the city's website and review these construction calendars so they'll know where we are in all of our processes. It's great. Both from an expenditure standpoint and also in inconvenience with regard to the construction. Correct. Correct. And that way they know that kind of the timeline that we're trying to work with. And so we are doing that as we move forward. Kind of the meat and probably what everybody and Councilman Silas what he requested last time was kind of where are we and how fast are we moving along and what are we doing? Well we're moving real fast. Y'all are going to get to not only see this but Tina and Vince are going to be up here in just a second to talk to y'all about actually issuing the big check and so are getting the funds to issue the big check. Y'all are going to get to see this and then Russell will be up here later today to talk to you about additional, additional mining for engineering services as we move forward. So y'all be getting to see a lot of us today on this project. So your one project, of course, we visited with you last time about him, okay, boulevard being our number one that we're really trying to push and get out because we have text dot dollars to help other dollars, text dot grant dollars

[0:44:05] to help match to work along with this to make our city dollars stretch further on this project. So we moved that one up, moved it to the forefront, and we're moving ahead. Of course, Bell Street, everybody's known Bell Street, has been a bad spot for a long time, a bad street for a long time. So that's next. Bell Street's actually going to be broken up into three phases because this is such a long project as far as length of street And then two, we have a tremendous amount of utilities under it that are going to need to be replaced as well. So this will be broken up into three segments. And you can tell we've put the third phase of Bell Street in yellow there to highlight it, to let you know that that actually will be that project will be let in year three, that portion of the project. Because as we staggered out over time, That's kind of how it falls into the end of the money. So again, it's why I said this kind of a living, moving document as we move forward. Do you think, sir? On the MLK, does it start at 6th Street, all the way north? It's a 29th, portions of it. There'd be some milling overlay, some total reconstruction. We know for sure everything north of 19th Street to 29th will be a full recon, along with sidewalks all the way from 6th Street, all the way to 29th Street. So we'll do that, of course, there'll be some additional, because of the text doc grant that we received as a portion of this, there's also gonna be, not only the sidewalk, but also some bike lanes that go along with the rest of the project as well too. So, and then two, like I said, Bell Street's been a big one, so we wanna make sure everybody understands they'll be broken out in phases. And another reason we do that, we don't wanna tear up a mile and a half of Bell Street

[0:46:05] and all the businesses and all that. And then it take three years of everybody having to fight torn up streets for three years. So that's another reason we phased it in. Let me ask you, on Bell, where would you be in? On the south side, north side? We're gonna start on the south side. Right now we're still working with Frees and Nichols as the engineering firm that we're working with on this. But we're looking at probably Loop 306 to Harris and then from Harris to the river. That could reverse depending on how they feel timing and the utility portion of that will fall into place. Going on to, again, your one project, starting to look at some of the mill and overlay that we'll be doing, some of this will be doing fairly quickly. As far as the, or more quickly, you'll be seeing us let these out in late spring, early summer. South College Hills Boulevard, Luthrow 6th Valley view, and then we're looking at mill and overlay on Chabron's Again, some of this may, some of the chadburns may due to, due to the funding, and depending on what the bids come back, we may be able to, I would like to be able to see us do olive chadburn from Avenue L to 43rd. We don't know that that's feasible, so we may have to squeeze that down and make that a little smaller. I know there may be some opportunity to look at doing some stuff in the downtown area with some other funding to help with that. I know Rick with the streetscapes and stuff like that, I'd like to see something probably a little more aesthetic than just plain asphalt, but that'll come into timing as to when we get that master plan done and all those things. So we may need to do overlay and plan on any rate. What we're gonna. Can I ask you like on, I don't know, pick one, whether it's college hills or Chadburn, is there any discussion or Southland? Is there any discussion about sidewalks incorporated into that project? millen overlay projects not really on the millen overlays now on the reconstructions like on

[0:48:09] Bell Street we're planning on sidewalks extending sidewalks on Bell Street through the reconstruction areas anywhere we're having to do a total recon we are looking at sidewalks we have a I'm on the technical advisory committee for the MPO and we are looking at our next meeting in January we're going over again our pedestrian plan for the entire city start looking at that to try to match some of that plan into what the city's doing to make sure that if the overall pedestrian plan is calling for sidewalks that we're actually putting sidewalks within our plans when we do the reconstruction. I would hope that y'all would take a really hard look at that because we have people walking all over the community but without proper facilities to do so or in wheelchairs etc and it's ridiculous that they're out in the street. Yeah and it's and on MLK as well too like at the intersection of 19th you know when we put the sidewalk there we'll put in all the pedestrian elements within the signalized intersection so the new pedestrian elements will be a part of that as well. On page two, item six, Southwest Boulevard says from Rockbrook to Twin Mountain. In the year three projects? Do I? In the year three? Yes. Okay. So, there does Rock Brook intersect to Twin Mountain? This past Green, Green Meadow, in Rock Brook, the next one at Southwest. Maybe it says South West. I'll look at it for that. I just didn't think it intersects with you. Maybe we had the wrong street listed on there. It's the next street past Green Meadow is what we're talking about. From there, all the way to Twin Mountain Mountain would be in year three phasing. Not Rockbrook Southwest. Southwest will be reconstructed. One block north of basically Green Meadow to Twin

[0:50:10] Mountain and then that would be the first phase of the Southwest milling overlay project and reworking some of that. Looking at in that project specifically. There's some issues down there with the railroad tracks in that area around the school, the elementary school down there, and then of course looking at also reworking the school crossing down there since that development is coming in and reworking, looking at reworking the school crossing down there and some of those things as a part of this project and also including some sidewalk down there around the school to help the children out down there in that area. just make a quick comment I know that some folks out there when they first read the list of even the streets that are due for an overlay and I think we need to better educate them that there's these are two different animals the overlay versus the middle and overlay versus the total reconstruction when Bell Street didn't show up in the list of the overlaid you know or something I started getting phone calls what's up with Bellwood, that's a totally different project, you know, so I think you need to emphasize that portion of the two types of projects that you're looking at. Because the total reconstruction, it's so intensive and it costs so much to do that, you know, that we break those up from the millen overlay projects as millen overlay hopefully as we move into the future, becomes more of a maintenance type project versus a construction type project for us as we move into the future. Kind of once we we get going and we really get some of these streets rehabilitated that that becomes more of a maintenance type function than it does a total construction function at this point. And then of course we go into the year three projects. Of course we put Chad Northchabern in there. It's one of those things is that's got to be one of the

[0:52:13] once it's flexible depending on depending on dollars as we as we come into the end of it and then of course Just keep going as we go along and we're already right now And I think Russell touch on this a little bit later when we come when he comes up But we are already working with the engineering firms right now looking into Year three projects and and how they're gonna be designing what they're gonna be doing because and especially when we're breaking street segments up up. We didn't want to break North Chabern up from South Chabern into two different engineering firms. One engineering firm is going to do, especially if it's a recon. We don't want to stop here with water and then start somebody else with water and sewer and then different plans. So make it consistent, you know, but we're already working on your three projects from an engineering standpoint. That way those projects will be on the shelf, come year three, time to let those funds in his hair is bowl guard or what is the house of the north south divine liner or what is it north chapter and south chapter as far as the we have north chapter and it's going to be a 60's well that's yeah I'm 67 to East Concho Avenue and then we're looking at Avenue L Avenue B so basically we would be going from the loop to East Concho or to the, basically to the river, to the bridge and then from the bridge south to Avenue L. And why do we, we stop at Avenue L, why or? Well, we'll stop just past Avenue L because that's where tech stock takes back up their maintenance is just past Avenue L. Okay. And then just continuing to go through year three projects, don't want to do a lot of time just going through these but we'll let you look at them if you'll have any

[0:54:14] questions getting into your five projects and all of these projects how we have the recon and overlays that it all kind of ties into the letting that that you all have have agreed to at the at the $16 million per lady it's kind of how the money ties out into these to make sure that we can fit those projects in the the end of that amount of funding are correct. Okay. And we'll get into your nine projects and your nine is basically our last will be our last lady of what you all have agreed to do so far is from a bonding standpoint for the 80 million over 10 years. And of course to you know this will depend again on how the bids come back in however things working contractor availability and capacity things like that will all play into it so. Also playing in the effect of how bad the the streets may become between now and then. That is true but we could if we see a shift in traffic patterns somewhere around town like we did when we had the last old boom come into town all the sand trucks started you know they hit certain roadways and when we start seeing that that may that may change some of this up just a little bit depending on traffic patterns. Well that last one right there, our second to the last is the Southwest, the Loop to Rockbrook Drive. It's getting really bad there. I can't, I almost can't even see it last in nine years. And that low water crossing right there does a lot of damage every time we have big rains. It does, and this is, and this was actually from West Loop. So this will actually go all the way

[0:56:14] around to where the, all the new motels and hotels built right in there next to the Home Depot, it'll go all the way from there, all the way to Rockbrook. And so, that may be one of those that we may have to as we progress, we already have, we do actually have the engineering company working. Since they're doing Southwest, they're gonna do the entire Southwest, so we should have those plans already on the shelf and ready to go, if we can find additional funding or other funding, or we need to reprioritize that when we move it up, because we do see a larger field. one block area there from right broke to the loop down to the right in front of McDonald's that's the area that I'm more really worried about that area right there one block and it may be that we we actually have a new Coley product that we've been using and testing out the resalberts making right now and we've actually tested it in several areas and maybe that we could come in there and put down a one-inch layer of that in that area to help get us by a little further and buy some time if we need to right there in that one area that one bad area. Aaron you'll be here here nine so you'll make sure all these get done so we'll put that in here. We'll make it a priority. That's right. Shane I even I even wanted to just throw out even the East Harris I mean you know the the Police Department and the fire department they use that street to go with a bell, and that thing's rough. So just my bug in your ear there, that these hairs, it's pretty bad, it's pretty rough. Yes, sir, it is. And to, I mean, continue to go down our left. It's not that city-wide. City-wide, I mean. Now you have the science behind it to make this, so it's, you know. And as we move forward, and hopefully through our maintenance program and hopefully Council and future councils will continue to support our maintenance program. There may be things that we can do in our maintenance

[0:58:16] program to help help East Terrace in that area as well too. We're ready to giddy up on all these projects. Yes, sir. We have the money going and all it takes is money. We have to have the money though. That's it and you're fixing to get to talk to the money man. So by printing press and printing money and just move on. I knew. Yeah, she said on Southwest on the back, let's get back. Okay. Southwest Boulevard where Rodney was talking about in front of McDonald's, which that is from Green Meadow, then Rockwood's right on down, are we going to wait until year nine to fix that? Is that what you're saying? The total recon in that area, yes, ma'am, that's how the money has fallen out in that, but as was mentioning to Rodney that I think there's some things that I can do from a maintenance standpoint to buy us a little time in that area in the new bridge that's that's part of it is we're looking at completely raising the elevation of the bridge increasing the capacity of that structure to allow that water to flow under the bridge instead of over it and to also you know the what we're gonna have to do basically from the loop all the way up to it green metal and just past green metal. We're going to look at all these some elevation changes. We're going to be looking at multiple different things in that area because of the issues that we're having and the extreme base failures that we're having. Just real quick, timeline on year one projects, MLK Boulevard, letting July 16, construction start October 16, projected in construction 2018 Bell Street the first one of course we we have this one switched from the other one so real concho drive to Harris Street September of 16 to actual letting date construction start date December 16 in in construction that first

[1:00:20] phase one 2018 Bell Street Harris Street to the loop let December 17 construction start March of 18 and then the last phase of Bell Street, which will actually be in the year three funding source will be Loop 306th Old Ballinger Highway, letting June of 18 construction start date of September of 18. College Hills Boulevard, letting June 16th, might be able to squeeze that in even a little earlier, hopefully we can't. This is where our engineers are kind and putting it at right now. Hopefully we can move that back, move that back even into May if we can. So construction starts September 16. And again, we have to work with contractors on some of this stuff. And then end date, March of 17, North Chabron, Lett in August of all that. And then Southland, Lett, and July again as well. So we're gonna try to squeeze those times down as much as we can, especially on the Millen Overlet projects. And for the view in public, tell them what letting date means. Letting date is when we actually send the bid packets, put the bid packets out on the street for the contractors to look at and actually submit bids back to the city. Any further comments from council questions? I'd like to thank Shane for getting all this lined out for us and I'm really happy that we're, it seems as though we're finally getting a plan together and we're doing this the way should have been done probably years ago. And we as a council are committing to trying to get this money that Shane needs to get these things done. So I hope that future councils do not cut this. And this is a priority. This should be number one, the number one item for everything in the future. Make a plan, finance the plan, and work the plan. Do I have public comment on this item?

[1:02:21] Thank you, Shane. That is, yes, Harry, I'm sorry, I didn't see it. I know I was behind Shane. Harry Thomas, community volunteer, just want to make a comment, I'll reiterate what's been said by the council a little bit. The public really wants to see this plan and so we will have this plan out there and the council come in to defunding these things. Now the public will say the council is actually doing something, I appreciate what Shane and the staff has done on this. I tell you, this is the number one project out there. even beyond water right now, people want to know when we're going to fix these streets. Thank you. Any further public comment? We had to see North Warched Board Chadburn on there too, even though it's several years away. You know, this will only be the right thing to do if we continue with seal coat. Yes. Because once we stop seal coat, we're actually throwing money away. And we are continuing to put $4 million a year, $3 to $4 million a year into the seal coat program, still working on our eight-year rotation. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. We're actually, we're looking at doing just a little over an eight-year rotation. This year, we're hoping the funding with the lower oil prices and fuel prices, we're getting a little better prices than what we, you know, than what we were projecting out. So we're actually trying to push as hard as we can to try to get more area covered as fast as we can. So, yes, I mean, that's your exact right councilman. If we don't continue to maintain these roads that we're building and we don't actually come back in and continue to take care of them, we'll be right back in the same shape real fast. All right, it is time for us to break. Do I need to read this, the item that we're dealing with? Okay, this is in the closed session.

[1:04:21] We are breaking for taking a break. We will go into an executive at 10, 15 so that we can consult with an attorney. we will be dealing with section 5510711a, consult with an attorney with the governmental body seeks the advice of its attorney about pending or contemplated litigation regarding number one, 2013 seal coding program contract is 1005. We will do our very best to be back here by 1045. That is the plan 1045 to 11, depending on what the attorney has to say. He's It's owned by the hour, so we are now in break. N48, let's reconvene this meeting. We are on the regular agenda, which is consider adopting a resolution directing publication of Notice of Intention to issue combination tax and revenue certificates of obligation to provide funds for street improvement projects and resolving other matters related to the subject, Vince Villal, Tina, you are our own ma'am. Good morning, Mayor and Council, Tina Caragor, Finance Director. I am here to ask for money for streets. No. Oh, for streets. So we're looking at the first of $5 million debt issues that will occur over the course of 10 years every other year. I know we just kind of talked a lot about this with Shane, so I won't go into too much detail. They will be amortized over a 20-year period, And it will not increase the tax rate. So I'm asking for a resolution to publish the notice of intent, as well as a reimbursement resolution for $3 million, so that if we get to the point where we can start work before the debt issue is completed on April 7, then Shane and his guys can go ahead and get to work without interruption. My only question would be, Daniel, we know that sales tax is down.

[1:06:22] We know that we're going to have to adjust our budget for $2.15 to $16. And if sales tax continues to go south, will that affect this? It may as far as the sales tax revenues, which we'll be discussing, I'll talk about this at the end of the meeting. I do want to schedule a strategic planning workshop and priorities, any workshop in February, but we're going to discuss this. But at this point, with this issue, I'm just not going to affect this current one. Now, in the future, we'll take a look at, especially if sales tax revenues continues to download, I don't want to say spiral, but it is going down quite a bit. We'll take a look at that and determine how our priorities will be established and how these will be paid for. Council has already established a priority to get this done, we want to get it done and we'll make it work. Move approval. Big Marty, so approval, I'll take Charlotte's second on this. Is there any specific language that you need to attain or would you just? I will defer to Vince and Rudy on that. Is there any particular language that you need to To approve it as it is listed on item C do have a motion to approve as presented and seconded Do I have any further council questions on this item before we move forward? Do I have public comment on this item before we spend $16 million of your money to rebuild your streets? All in favor of the proposal, please say aye those negative say no Number D, this is on the same thing, it's considering adopting an ordinance authorizing the issuance of City of San Angeles, Texas general obligation refunding bonds, establishing procedures and delegating an authority for the sale and delivery of the bonds, providing for the security and pavement of said bonds, providing an effective date and enacting other provisions related to the subject. I do have a motion to approve, it's presented from Marty, I do have a second from his grind staff. Is there any other questions on this because this is all related? Yes sir. I want to mention one thing, members of the council, the ordinance in your packet showed

[1:08:25] I believe 16 million, we were looking at only refunding two series of bonds, 7-0-8, but since then the ordinance, the draft was amended to include the 0-9s, which could also be refunded for significant savings, and so the ordinance as presented would be what y'all have, but for $25.5 million. Give us a basic rundown on what we're doing here. Okay, so this works, I would say similar to if you were to refinance your house. These, our guys, our debt council and our debt advisors have found a way for us to save money by, like I said, it's called refunding with bonds, but we go out and get a lower interest rate and it saves money over the life of the bond. And we can do this because we have a stellar credit rating as the city of San Angelo. Right, and so I do want to point out that we're looking at about $1.7 million in savings over the course of the life of these bonds. Scently by re-find it. Yes, sir. That's exactly the way I figured that. Yeah. Good job. Why does $1.7 million stick in my mind? I don't know, man. I do have a motion to accept this, I do have a second, I have a comment on this item. I think we'll need to amend the motion to approve the ordinance at the 25.5 million. Would you do that more to the ordinance as amended to 25.5 million. Okay, I moved it or I amend it. You amend the second. It has been amended. It has been made it has been seconded public comment. It's been called for all in favor. Please say aye. Aye. Opposed nay. Let's have a 7-0 on that one And I guess you're through aren't you? Thank you all very much Vince. Good to see you again. Thank you Number is discussion and possible action that matters related to trash collection recycling and landfill services Jeremy Miller. You are up serve

[1:10:27] morning mayor council Jeremy Miller the contract manager for the solid waste department today for the benefit of those watching home and here in the room I like to give a brief recap of the services that are available through our contract with the public services and to help establish a point of contact for any questions or concerns that citizens may be experiencing and then at the end of the presentation also invite mr. Kelton to come up and speak to some issues that we've seen and heard from the citizens regarding the service and maybe some options that are available to help with that so with that we'll get started. Of course we have a contract with the Public Services and through that we have these services available once a week curbside collection of household trash and that utilizes the the tan cart the 96 gallon cart and also a once a week curbside collection of single stream recycling items and then the last service be the quarterly bulk pickup. So the trash collection occurs once a week. It's curbside citizens should place their carts at the service location by 7 a.m. on the day of service. And that service is for cart contents only. So any trash that is inside the cart would be serviced. So if you have excess trash bags or loose debris outside of the cart on the ground, that's not included in the service. So that needs to be held back. Or if you regularly exceed the capacity, there's additional to increase your capacity, so everything will fit inside the curb. And again, the carts should be placed three feet away from other objects and in between the carts and five feet away from any parked vehicles. Just allow ample room for the automated arm to collect those and not damage any other items. And after the cart is serviced, it should be removed from the service location,

[1:12:27] so taken out of the street, off the curb, taken back to the storage location by noon the day following collection which typically would be you know the side of the house or in the garage or somewhere convenient for the city. The other service available is the collection of the recycling which is the green cart that service the same day as the the trash so you'll have one truck come by and collect the trash and then a second separate truck will come by and collect the recycling items. Recycling items are to be placed clean and dry and then just loose inside the cart so no need to bag any of the recycling with the exception of shredded paper and I can go inside a clear plastic bag. The items that are accepted for the single stream recycling would be paper you know all of your shredded paper which you can go inside the clear plastic bag any newspapers junk mail phone books anything of that nature can be placed inside the cart all of your plastics one through seven with the exception of styrofoam those can go inside the card at cardboard, your cereal boxes, corrugated cardboard, any frozen food boxes, things like that are accepted. Cans, your aluminum cans, your clean food cans can go inside there, aerosol cans. So there's several items that are recyclable and that we do accept. Currently at the recycling facility, we're experiencing higher than expected contamination rates. I think the industry standard is about 15 to 20 percent contamination, you know, that would come from just somebody making a mistake and putting the wrong item in there and then it gets sorted out of the facility. Currently, since the six months we've been doing this, we're averaging 30 to 40 percent contamination, so it's well, you know, double of what it should be. So there's several issues that we're having to educate and work through. It's kind of bogging things down the recycling center. But some of the common mistakes, the main one is bagging the recyclables, so all of those should be loose and nothing needs to be bagged. If it's bagged, it's just sorted out to the side.

[1:14:27] It doesn't actually count towards the recycling. It just goes to the landfill. Yard waste is another big one. People put their leaves in their brush trims, and some don't accept medical waste and diapers. So it's become quite an issue if contamination makes it inside the load, and then it's compacted inside the trash truck. And when it's offloaded there, it's to cumbersome to sort through and pick out each little leaf, and it's just not physically possible. So they actually have to take a backhoe and scoop out that whole section and it kind of cuts down on the items that are recyclable. So if you're being good stewards and recycling everything and then your neighbor decides to throw their leaves in there that makes it to the facility that there's a possibility that your items could be taken to the landfill as well. So it's just hard to separate the two. So definitely working on education components and getting that out in the media and working together with the Republic to get curriculum in the schools to help educate the kids things that trying to change the culture to get some of that help. So if citizens have a question about what's recyclable. There's a chart that's imprinted on the lid and it gives a quick reference of what is and isn't recyclable. So if you get to the cart and you're not sure if it's recycling and you can't figure it out, just throw it in the trash. Don't assume that it is recyclable so we can try to help clean it up out there. The last service is available is the quarterly bulk pickup. Republic will come by once a quarter and pick up bulky items that won't fit inside your cart. That would be items like furniture, appliances, things like that. Those items should be placed at the service location, the same place where your trash is services where the bulk items go. That should be placed out there at 7 a.m. on the week on Monday of the week of your scheduled service and that's limited to five cubic yards. There's also an out-of-cycle pickup available for a fee if you need the service outside of your regular scheduled week. They can certainly accommodate you on that and the schedule for that service is located on the city's website on the solid waste page. There's a link there where you can pull up a map and show you your dates. So some common acceptable items would be barbie

[1:16:30] here miss so when did that bulk service begin again with the new contract August 2014 you said that additional pickups can be scheduled for a P is that information also on the website that is yeah I believe it's a $75 trip charge and and then $25 a cubic guard after that. And you can call Republic and they can give you an estimate. You know, if you say I've got two counselors, then can I give you an estimate, what do it cost? Okay, and they also call as far as when the quarterly pickup is because a lot of people don't have computers. They don't have a way to do it. You can call myself or Republic and we can assist with that. And I believe the Republic is also put it in the paper a few times, so. But that is a concern and it is an issue to communicate those dates, so later in the presentation, So we have some options that maybe help with that. In a bagged yard way, so this would be a good time to utilize the bulk. If you have your leaves this time of year, and you can set 15, 20 bags of leaves out there and they'll come back and pick them up. Any appliances or white goods, if there's refrigerant involved in those, that needs to be removed and tagged by a professional saying that it's removed and those will be acceptable. Mattresses, furniture, brush, if you have larger tree branches, those would need to be cut down the four foot links and then bound together so they can service them and then then fencing or pallets that you have. Unacceptable items, basically anything that's not accepted the landfill would not be accepted at the Corley bulk pickup, but household trash, concrete, construction materials, hazardous roofing materials, engine parts, tires, glass, electronics, it's a general role you know if you can get it to the curb yourself it'll probably be able to pick it up because it's just one or two guys coming by and grabbing it so and also we have a contract with Republic services to maintain and operate the city's landfill and along with that there's the citizens free dumping program where citizens can utilize the landfill for no charge once a month just need to have your water bill with

[1:18:30] that ID with a matching address on there and that'll be your former payments you can use that and here recently we've also a republic has constructed the the Citizens Convenience Center, which has had great reviews, has been open for a couple of weeks now. And that does just make for a much safer and cleaner experience citizens can pull up into an all-paid structure and offload their materials onto a bay. So instead of going down to the industrial area where the heavy equipment is, so a lot quicker to speeding up the speed times. But it's designed primarily for passenger vehicles and small utility trailers. So if you have a large truck and a large trailer still, unless you have exceptional driving, backing capabilities, you can get a little tight on the ramp there, so you may still have to utilize the working face, but overall, it's gonna be a good benefit for our citizens. So, we've been doing this for six months now. Things have kind of normalized as far as how they're going to be, course there's always room for improvement, so we're striving to do that daily, but if there are issues and concerns out there, I wanted to help to establish who citizens should call to be able to get those resolved. So they should contact for public services at 325-481-7700, if they experience any of the following. Mainly a missed collection, over 10,000 pickups a day. And their goal is to be in single digit missed pickups and they've pretty regularly been pretty close to that. So when you're doing that many pickups, and there's human error involved, sometimes there's gonna be missed pickups. And if that happens, certainly call for public services And they'll get you scheduled that hopefully you call sooner rather than the later, so they can get to you sooner. If you have any questions about the service or how it operates, certainly call Republic. Also any spilled trash is a result of collection, so if you notice the garbage truck and dump your services, your cart and trash goes everywhere, call them. They're required to be prompted about that and come and pick it up, so certainly call

[1:20:30] them if there's an issue with that. in the carts that we're using are property of Republic. So if those are damaged or stolen, certainly call them and they'll assist you in either exiting it or replacing it for you. So if it is stolen, citizens will need to go online and fill out a police report and they can take that over to Republic Services and they'll issue a new cart for no charge. Of course, there's been instances of property or personal damage due to the service. So certainly contact Republic and they have an insurance and claims department that will assist you in making the situation rectified. Now, the citizen should contact the Solid Waste Department at 325-486-3798, and that is my direct line, if you have any of these complaint or issues. So, mainly if you've contacted the Republic and they have not resolved your complaint or you weren't happy with the service or you have something that needs to be addressed, call me and I can work together with you and Republic to get resolution and to move forward. Also, as I mentioned, additional cards are available, so if you need additional capacity, whether it be trash or recycling, certainly give me a call, and I can assist you with getting the additional capacity that you need. Or billing questions or issues, call me, if I can help you, I can direct you to who can, so we can alleviate any questions that you have. Also, there's a the disability collection service available, so the citizens that need help moving the carts, you know, to and from the street, there's a service that's provided for no charge. They can contact me to get information about that or answer any questions. Also, there's a form online that they can print off and mail or fax or drop off in person to me when you don't get them to help with any. And then lastly, any compliance issues or complaints with the new solid waste ordinance should contact me. I work in conjunction with the co-compliance department. You know, the main issues are people leaving their carts out in the street or

[1:22:34] there's trash around. So currently, you know, I haven't gotten a lot of complaints personally from citizens. I see a lot as I'm checking our routes driving and we're taking more of the education approach. But I know there's issues out there and I definitely would like people to call if they're having issues with their neighbors or some people on their street, so we can get those situations fixed. But doing mainly education, I have a go out and visit with the resident to explain the service and kind of what the violation is and hopefully it's corrected. I can't reach them. I had some door hangers printed out where I can leave it on the door with my business card and check off the violation that they're doing so they can contact me and we can work to educate on that. But eventually compliance is not there and we can't issue citations to correct the situation. So the contract also calls for a recycling processing fee if we are not generating 500 tons a month of recycling material. The recycling processing fee is 50 cents and that can be added to the utility bill. Currently we take approximately 2,500 tons of municipal solid waste to the landfill each month and that would be just residential collection and of that the EPA states that roughly 50% of that is comprised of paper, plastic, cardboard, metals, all of the items that we do accept on the recycling program. So out of the 2,500 tons we take, approximately 1,250 tons would be accepted in our recycling program. It kind of gives you a baseline of the material that's out there. And that's a very conservative estimate. You know, in the summer months, the weights are a little bit heavier, but this time of year, that's about what we're doing. So out of the 1250 tons that are available, we're averaging about 350 tons a month that we're recycling. And that's a gross number, so you still have to take out the 30 to 40% that is actually contaminated and not recyclable

[1:24:34] and that goes to the landfill. So that number's a little bit less than that. So based on those numbers, the first evaluation period for the contract for this fee was January 20th, that was six months since implementation. So as we're not meeting the 500 tons, that that fee will be assessed beginning February 1st, it'll be a 50-cent added to each trash bill. And that fee is evaluated on a yearly basis every October 1st. So if there's some reason between now and October 1st, we start averaging 500 tons a month, that fee is removed, and then it's evaluated on October 1st each year after that. So there's room to grow, I think the people that are recycled, that wanted to recycle are recycling, and then any improvement that we see from this point It's just going to be a cultural change. I'm working with some of the media shows, working with Anthony, our illustrious public information officer who has made some entertaining videos to help encourage people to recycle and to make them aware of the program and kind of what's available and what's not available. So we're going to continue that as well as try to get into some of the schools to start a grassroots campaign and try to educate the kids so they can educate their parents and try to make it a city-wide effort. But unfortunately, we're not quite there where we need to be. But I think there's ample room to grow. It's just going to take some time and some education to get there. So I'll open it up to any questions you might have before I turn it over to Shane. Audience, please. Yes. I would like to go back to the Citizen Feed Free Dumping Program. I would like to encourage people to use it for sure. but they need to understand that we can only offer that free up to so much tonnage. Is that correct in one year? That's correct. We're allowed 6,000 tons a year free. Then after that, the city actually pays the tipping fees at the scale. And in the memorandum, it told us that that was 500 tons

[1:26:35] per month, and we're averaging more than that right now. That's correct. our annual will run out about May of this year. So I need to just go on record to let the people know that it's possible they could be charged after May of this year because we are close to getting to that amount that we are allotted in our contract. Is that correct? Well, currently there's no limit on the service. So if it's still being utilized the way it is now, then if we're still providing the service the city would be on the hook for the excess overages out there. That's something we could look at changing but at the moment that's that's the way it's set up. And currently we're on pace right now to I think we're averaging over 700 tons of months so that's can be close to $100,000. Okay thank you I appreciate that and the other thing I wanted to ask you what are the color of your door hangers? They are Yellow, green, whatever you want to call them? Yeah. Very good. Questions, Elizabeth? Yes, sir. I'm concerned about the recycling issue here. Because this is, I guess, our first kind of evaluation period as to how we performed as a community. And yet what we know is that we've had incidences where the same trucks that are trucks that are picking up trash have picked up recycling. So I don't know that the citizen should be punished for commingling that refuse, whether it's recycling or trash. And I'm not really sure how the citizens know what's been contaminated and what is not. I'm not sure within this contract, if there's really a way for us to properly police this.

[1:28:38] We were talking or have talked earlier. We have systems in place where the city actually inspects certain contracts or construction work, contract, relationships, and yet on this one we don't have anybody there or do we on a daily basis to watch that that inflow of trash. Well, there's a checks and balances in place as far as, you know, blood's recycling receives all the material and they in turn sell it on the commodities market. So it wouldn't be very smart of them to not accept it because they're getting money for that. On the other side of it, whatever's taken to what's collected from republic trucks goes to the recycling center and then the contaminated portion of that is separated out and goes to the landfill and butts has to pay to dispose of that. So if they were fudging on that and throwing away recyclables just for whatever reason, they still have to pay for it so it wouldn't make sense for them to do it. I say no, it couldn't happen, but that's kind of the checks and balances as far as they make money on the recycling and then they have to pay for it if they don't accept it. So is there ever anyone from the city that is on site to periodically check that system? No, not at the moment. It's more of a statement that the people need to realize you went over it, but that their trash will not be picked up if it's next to their trash can. and I've seen a lot of people that just stack up trash next to the bin thinking that they're going to pick it up. It doesn't. It's still there the day after. The other thing is that they also will load their trash can wait over where the lid doesn't close. Y'all do not pick up that, correct? If the lid can't close correctly, it will not be picked up or y'all still pick it up. Within reason, this is the driver discretion, but obviously if he doesn't think he can pick that card up without knocking the trash off, he's not going to pick it up.

[1:30:38] up because then they're responsible for getting that clean and then I have time to do that. So if it's just one bag and the lids, you know, halfway close, one likely they're going to pick it up. If you've got eight bags stacked up there and trying to play trash can jinger or something, it's not going to work. Mainly it's a lot. The nice I have seen is that the trash is next to the, I mean, they're trash bins full and then they've got more trash on the side. Sure. And that's one of the main issues we see and Shane will speak to that in a moment. Maybe it's possible solutions for that. my other question is, you were talking about the 50 cents more that was going to be added, and that is because there's not enough people recycling, is that correct? It's not enough tonnage. Yeah. That's the weight of the rest of the material. Jeremy, I had a quick question comment, and really it's for republic, I know they're here, but aside from all these issues that we talked about, the recycling versus non, and cards being left out, you know, are they, and I'd like to hear from them. Are they experiencing anything other than what we've talked about? Any obstacles that they've run into to better educate us? Is there anything aside from any of this conversation that you guys are experiencing, if not, that's fine. Come to the front, Lisa. We've got to get your name so we hear your own television. Excuse me, David. Because I know that we hear from citizens. We know the complaints or the concerns that come from this end, but what are you seeing on your side? David Hart will operate with the managers of public services, so Jeremy has done a great job of covering our issues, but the drivers are still a part of this community, and what we're trying to do is make it to where they can get off the clock and get their jobs done without putting too much of a demand on them, and also there's DOT hours of service there. So when carts are misplaced, our drivers have done a very good job of getting out of the truck and pulling those carts out and service them where they need to be serviced, but what

[1:32:39] we want to do is make sure that people who are following the rules of the program at the end of those routes are getting serviced. And we've been in a position where we've got out and got extra trash and relocate containers and actually not completed routes because we spend so much time on the beginning part of that route to try to make sure everybody gets picked up. So container placements, containers have to be away from cars, mailboxes, any other obstacles, they need to be set out to be accessible by the trucks. That's probably the biggest focus right now and the trash around the containers and the also bagging trash. If the driver dumps the container and trash blows off the side, it's when in West Texas the driver actually has to get out of the truck, collect that loose trash. That's something that we're going to do but it takes him that much more time and it puts that much more strain on our collections. on our collections. So those are the areas of focus for us is container placement, bagging your trash, not your recyclables, and clean recyclables. That's another focus for ours. Glass is another issue he didn't bring up. Glass is something that can be recycled but it's not part of our program. There's just not enough volume of glass for it to be profitable for the for the recycler and it's a safety hazard since they're actually hand sorting the recycling. Courage all of you, if you have a few minutes to go to Buds Recycling and speak with Fred and kind of have a better understanding of the program and the reason we can't take class will be very clear at that point. David, I think one thing that maybe we need to touch on, I didn't know for the longest time and I learned that a while back, even the cards when you place them out by the curb, they have to be facing in a certain direction and there's a big arrow on that lid it tells you. And a lot of people that didn't know that. Right. Yeah, you want the handles facing towards your home and the opening of the container towards the street. Now, the containers can be dumped the other way, but it's the likelihood of losing trash is greater.

[1:34:44] So the driver is actually going to stop and step out of the truck and spend the container and then service it. And we want to keep the driver in the truck as much as possible. And it does have an arrow, it does have some directions on the lid of both the containers. I'm just concerned about, I know how do we, or how are we going to correct the tonnage once when a truck picks up both inside and the end. The issue we've seen there is any time we're picking up both, it was because the recycled driver has come through and seen that as a contaminated recycling container and we have educated all of our people that if we tagged that container that this has been contaminated because we don't we don't want to contaminate the recyclables if we know it's trash so we can we mark that container as contaminated recycling and then we will dump it into the trash because like Jeremy said if we mix contaminated with good recycling you don't just contaminate what's in there you contaminate that entire section of the load because of the way that they have to pull it out. So there have been instances where we have put trash, which is in the green cart, into a trash truck. And that should be the only case in either block. A block should never be a block. It could be several, two or three homes at a time. Along those lines, there's measures in place to help prevent that. And I've heard complaints of that too, but the contract allows for liquidated damages. And it's $1,000 per cart that's commingal. So if they were to do a whole block, and there was proof of that, it could be quite expensive. So it's not in their best interest to do it, and I know they've dealt with their drivers, and everybody knows that, that it's automatic termination, if something like that were to happen. So I was saying it hasn't happened, but it's not very wise of them to do that, so. Rodney? Well, I've got just a couple of issues, go ahead, Jordan.

[1:36:45] Well, I just want to clarify something here. when something gets contaminated. If I'm then it contaminates everything in my can. Is that correct? If I fail to wash out that dog food can or that ketchup bottle or that mustard bottle, does that contaminate everything in the can? No, it won't contaminate anything in everything in the can. We do want it as clean as possible. And really the benefit of that is once it runs through the, it's actually a conveyor belt system at butts recycling. and the cleaner we can keep that, the cleaner we can keep his conveyor system. It's still gonna make it into the sorting process if it has a little bit of residue on it, but the big contamination we see is people just taking a whole bag of kitchen trash and putting it into the recycled container. That's whenever we say contamination, we mean having 50 to 70 to 96 gallons of trash mixed into it. That's what Piggy used to have, okay. And the other thing you said conveyor belt, So if we are in the same can't truck picking up both cans, if we're still bagging the contaminated trash, then it's not as apt to bag all the rest of the recyclables. I mean, contaminate all the rest of the recyclable in the same load. Is that right? So recycling cannot be back. So no, no back. No, I understand that. I'm saying when you said the same truck sometimes has to pick up both cans, if we the homeowner properly bagging the brown bag and tying it and closing it and the same truck has

[1:38:45] to pick up a recycle it doesn't really doesn't contaminate is that correct it would be in the trash truck so that truck would be going to the landfill okay I do have a couple of questions first of all I would implore that our citizens recycle because in my home and my household my wife is rabid about this and And we are recycling better than half of what we throw away, and it's it's literally better than half And this is a little sensitive But I understand that a lot of some of the contamination that they're getting at butts is that people are throwing diapers and sanitary napkins in this recycling, and that's That's not right. I hope that problem has taken care of itself since we've started this, but I understand that was a real problem you've got people over there that's separating this stuff by hand and that's that's not something that we want to do to why to people who work to us is that and and right and you know recycling is a privilege so going forward I'll be working with the republic and you know they see the issues and they document things so we can educate those citizens but at some point it may be necessary to remove those cards if they're just blatant disregard for it but I think we need to recycle and if everyone will recycle like my wife does we'll hit this 500 tons. It's there. And one other thing I'd like to ask about, and I've had several calls this last, this last couple of months about the leaves that have fallen. People call they may have 8 or 10 sacks of leaves. Is there a way that possibly we could set up, maybe during the month of November, a couple of sites over town where people could take these leaves and drop them off and then we could pick them up later. I know we've done that at Foster Field. We've done it at the Coliseum in the past where Trash was taken. Is there a way that maybe during the month of November when the leaves were really bad that we would have a spot that we could collect these. Well that that is one of the big issues and I'll let Shane speak to that because I think we can do better than just a drop

[1:40:46] off site. That's all I've got. I've got your number written down Jerry. Alright well I'll turn it over to Mr. Kelton here. I have a few others. Yes ma'am. When did we start the educational program in schools with children on recycling? We have not. That's something we're working in and hopefully until then soon. Why have we waited so long? Well, I mean, I guess we were kind of to see how things were going to go. It's early on in the process, we're six months into it. You know, we've done other education pieces as far as the internet and doing media outlets, but the actual schools we haven't started to do. Ever discussed previously? It was discussed about creating a curriculum, but timelines were not discussed. A real missed opportunity. And again, my disappointment is that we're not making the quotas. And I think a lot of that is a lack of education, a lack of understanding. But I'm not sure all of that is on the citizen, and it bothers me that the citizen is going to have to pay to remedy this without being fully responsible for it. That's what she was trying to say. OK, Jeremy has talked through this and brought up some areas of concern. And one of the major issues is, as we know, the bulk trash pickup. and the map and knowing when and it being once a quarter. One of the things that I know that Republicans heard, some of the things that Jeremy's here, some things I hear and probably y'all as well, too, is the concerns over the bulk pickup. And especially just coming out of last fall and Mary, you brought this up, that yard waste has been an issue and will continue to be an issue and as we're looking going in spring, you're gonna be an issue as well, too.

[1:42:47] Ms. Farmer, we are, we're well over, we go back and we talk about the Citizens for Dumping program, and we are, the utilization of that program now is, is significant. We've seen a huge growth in that. Could that be contributed to just people understanding no more about it now because over the last couple years we've gone in there and we've talked about it and we've announced it and people are more aware of the program now or or does it tie back into the the bulk pickup and and the quarterly bulk pickup people are handling things different because they don't know a schedule and they don't you know or they don't see what's going on you know or have an understanding of the map on the internet and so it's just easier just to take your water bill and go to landfill. So we are those are some of the issues some of the things that we're seeing and we are we're significantly you know our tonnage is significantly up in the and the Citizens Free Dumping Program. And so we're looking at that. And right now, with the direction that we have is that in the Citizens Free Dumping Program, if we go over the 6,000 tons that's allotted to the city, as per the contract that we get up to 6,000 tons of Citizens Free Dumping for free that is no cost to the city, that cost is covered by the city. And that's about where we were in the previous contract. That was about the tonnage that we were averaging on a regular basis. This new contract, we of course, again, have we seen an increase? And so we are on track right now, and we do have funding budgeted in our solid waste fund to cover the additional cost that is gonna cost the city to continue that program out the entire 12 months. And so unless council gives us direction to stop the program at the end of the 6,000 tons, We're going to continue the program for the for the full year and the solid waste fund is prepared to To cover that cost whatever the difference may be right now. We're looking if we stay on track where we are

[1:44:52] We're looking at probably the cost of the city will be between 80 and a hundred thousand dollars based on Based on tonnages that we're receiving right now So what I don't want to see happen under the citizen pre dumping program I don't want to see someone to take a pick up load of stuff out to dump thinking, you know that it hey I can do this. It's free. I'm keeping the area clean and Gee, I missed the time to get it in there now It's gonna cost me thirty six dollars and forty eight cents to dump it Are we the city going to absorb that when we go over or are we going to be expecting the citizen to pay it at at the dump? But that's what I want to clarify now right now Now the city is fully prepared to take on that expense and in the city absorb that not the citizen absorb that unless y'all give me direction otherwise. So that's where we're planning on right now. So with these issues kind of in mind as we're looking at this and we're looking to move forward of course I think when we brought the original contract to you we said we'll get into it we're going to look at it. There's probably going to be things because we're going to need to tweak to make this San Angelo's program, not just anybody's program in the United States, more San Angelo's program. Some of the things we've been looking at, maybe to solve this and not looking for any action today, just kind of want some feedback to see what your thoughts are on this. We've been visiting with Republic to try to look it up, maybe possible solutions that help alleviate some of this. And we're just we're going to throw this this out. Again, we can beat it up, but it's not done. There's nothing we have formalized anything these are just thoughts at this point. One of the things that we could do and that we visited with Republic about is that looking at our recycling as it stands right now with the once a week pickup and looking at our volumes that that they're collecting right now and or not collecting right now maybe we should say versus our book pickup one of the options could be is

[1:46:56] that we moved to recycling to an ever other week pick up and of course with that I believe that you know there could be some options there if people are really heavily utilizing their recycling and they need more than just one container to cover that ever other week that we could probably look at providing that container for free. As of right now I believe we only have six or seven people that pay for an extra recycling container currently And so we could look at maybe ensuring that these, the recycling, if we went to that, you know, it wouldn't cost decisions anymore money to go to never other week. We would hopefully work with them to ensure that they have the carts that they need, to give them the coverage they need to make it that extra week. But for that, what we could look at doing, and again, this kind of weighs out evenly across from a cost perspective and so there would be no increase cost of the service but we would go to a once a month book collection that would be on a it'd be a standardized collection that way it would be on a specific day every month so council on the ground staff would be they'd be at your house the first Monday or you know hypothetically theoretically they would be at your house every first Monday of the month and then Councilwoman Gonzalez yours would be every say Wednesday of every month or first Wednesday of every month and so every month you would know exactly when your boat pickup was gonna be and you could set it up that morning it would have to sit on your yard for a week we hear a lot of citizens state that they don't want to leave something out put it out by seven a.m. on Monday if it's not gonna be picked up until Friday you know we hear lot of issues with that as well too and so this would be you know you would know that your day is on Monday and so you said it out that morning and it will be picked up on that day and so those

[1:48:59] are some of the things that we've been talking with Republic about looking about to help maybe resolve some of these issues and I think too if everybody knew and understood exactly what day their book pickup was and it was once a month and it was and it was sooner than you know it was sooner than once a quarter it may it may take some of the pressure off of the citizens' redumping program because they wouldn't feel the need to have to drive all the way out there and do that so they don't have to either one store it for three months and or they don't have to leave it on their front you know the front curb for a whole week not knowing exactly which day is their day to be picked up. I think that it for my neighborhood or those that that regularly talked to me this would be something that they would like because right now as you say the quarterly is a little bit hard to gauge. And the fact is, if we want to encourage the clean up of neighborhoods, leaving that stuff out for a week plus, it's kind of common, but our real desire is. So I'd like to get more feedback, obviously, from the community. And I know you're kind of just lobbying out ideas here, but I think that that would be something that's really appreciated. And And then also with regard to the yard, the yard stuff, the leaves and the cuttings, that might help kind of alleviate that issue as it is right now. Especially, you know, coming into the fall, you know, leaves are really going to start hitting in November. So you kind of know what day your day is going to be or whatever. I mean, you can start raking a week or two ahead, but at least, you know, it's not going to sit there for three months before somebody's going to come by and pick it up. It's your 30 days or less before it's going to be picked up. that and then we're coming into the springtime. Again, we're going to start seeing a lot of people scalping yards, doing things like that. And again, too, you can hopefully time, if you know exactly what day your pickup's going to be, you can time the scalping of your yard to kind of coincide with that as well, too, moving forward. So, those are, again, these

[1:51:03] are just ideas. We wanted to kind of start lobbying at y'all to, again, I like the term loving and throw them out there and kind of get y'alls feedback and maybe some comments from y'all, and then we can kind of move this forward as we move forward. Rodney? You were saying, is this an either or type situation though, if you do that monthly like that and you're going to take, then we would go to the other week on the recycling pickup? For them to be able to kind of work out cost wise for them, labor wise, truck wise, that type of thing, it would kind of be an either or kind of a give. I mean, we could always, we can always do anything that you want. How much money do you want to have to pay for that service? But for us to maintain at the same rate level and not change anything from a rate perspective, you know, going to an ever other week recycling cart system, recycling only trash is still, you know, once a week, nothing's changing that, it would just be the recycling component of it. It would go to an ever other week and that would allow from a scheduling equipment, manpower-wise, it would allow them at that point to be able to just shift directly into bulk collections instead of trying to offer both at the same time. And so again, that's where it would come into play if your family, if you're recycling to the point that you're filling your can up once a week and you need that extra can to get you to that ever other week collection date for recycling, we could offer that extra can, you know, if free of charge without the $25 a month additional fee, it would just be basically free of charge for that extra can to get you by from a recycling standpoint. I wanted it to be clear on that. I mean, we're going to lose one service for you. Yes, you're reducing you're reducing the collections on this to increase collections on that. I think we really need to get feedback from our everybody that's in our districts on which one that they would prefer on that and

[1:53:07] See how it goes. I like the way things would be better than speculating up here and get the fear go on out There's to walk. Oh, this is what we're gonna do other than discussion discuss this at town hall Don't you think yes? No, I mean, that's we wanted to give this to y'all and let y'all give us say no That's just the most horrible thing we've ever heard and go sit back down and I'll go sit back down But if there is some validity to it, or you think there may be some validity to it, we can continue to bet this process one through the citizens and get their feedback and their understanding on whether that's a process that they would like to see or they think would be acceptable even to them as well. If I could. I think in recent weeks we've seen that our public information office is able to solicit opinion on issues Like they did with the logo, if we develop some viable options, maybe we can ask them to put something up on the website to solicit public opinion about various options. We promised when moving into this that we would be able to adjust it as we got into it. So this is not a bad idea to discuss. I think the recycling is every other week is a good idea because at my home it's just my husband and I will most we've ever gotten is half the trash can so really we don't put it out there told the next week there may be a lot of people in town that don't have a lot of people in their homes that they don't have to put their recycling that can a lot or maybe they don't recycle as much but it would save some time and money to go every other way and then if we left it once a week we might be able to do that monthly pick up maybe just during the time of the year when we have that additional long waste and leaves maybe from July through December I mean half the year and then I don't know there's there's several different options we can look at on this but it is an option well again we just want to throw this out kind of get some feedback from y'all to see if we want to continue to bet this process and work with

[1:55:11] it in again to we want to make sure that we're we have a program as best we can for the citizens that that provide the services that are most demanding of their need. I think if people will get serious about recycling though I think we can we can we can reach the threshold we're looking for. And we are we're gonna really start pushing pretty hard. Okay you're ready for me to go okay I have public comment on this item before we move on. Okay. Name you've got five. Bill Waring. I won't need five minutes. Personally, I have just me and my wife and we don't do that much recycling. You know, African a week. Well, not even that much. I put it out. every other week as it is. Going to a monthly bulk pickup to help on the yard waste. I can fill up the trash can with yard waste on mowing. That's in the drought. With all the rain we've had so far, yards are going to be a lot growing a lot faster and a lot That's more, pick it up, that's what I think, that's a monument. I thought pick up would be a good idea. This is my number one complaint that I get from citizens, not a place to do with their yard waste. Yeah. And I still don't like trash cans out in the street. I think that's good. Yeah, come on up buddy.

[1:57:16] here Gary gets up I'm very proud of the program that's going and I'll go along with Duane and I'm sure all the other six of you that this is one heck of a program and it needs to work it needs to be a stellar program if you look at Love Book, Abilene, other areas that you may visit is you're going to see your relatives are traveling you'll see there's a lot of problems with trays and it comes from when the trays dumps it comes from when people are careless with their lids and they don't put them down the bar mets are going to get into them so it's just a neighborhood thing you got to clean up your alleyway and I commented on a guy yesterday cleaning his curb of leaves I stopped and told him I said man this is my neighborhood area I'm proud of you cleaning and sweeping your curb line and he thanked me but I want to know my question would be to the to the Shane and representatives from Republic are all residents in this city required to put that one quarter pickup at their curb or or some given a buy and all out to put them in the alleyways where usually those cans were picked up and I'm referring to the Southland area or bentwood that have alleyway entrance. I'd like to know that if I'm the yard of the month, which I have been in past years at other residents, I'd hate to know that for a one week or eight or 10 days, somebody's anticipating that junk to be picked up, refrigerator couches, their bags are junk, their lumber that's not usually banded or put together in four foot areas, four foot links. which I've seen many of them in my area. They're not following the rules, I don't think, but are all areas required to put it at the curb because some people may get a stenchy looking, I don't mean stenchy looking, but the stench look of an area where it has some habit at the curb because that's where they've been directed to put it because their cans are there. But yet someone in a nice neighborhood, a little more high-upity, may be able to get that in the alleyway somewhere. So, are they all required to put them at the curb? They are required to place their boat pickup wherever their trash is picked up.

[1:59:23] So, if your trash is currently picked up in the front, your boat is picked up in the front. If your trash is currently picked up in the alley, it's to be put in the alley. And, of course, we go back to, you know, Southland bentwood, of course, bentwood has been front, you know, out in their front yards forever because they have no alleys. And so I mean, that's one of those things if, you know, around town, it's different around town, but mostly the paved alleys, the large paved alleys in Southland are the only places that still have rear load. But that's about, or alley, alley pickup. So that's about it. So, um, okay, I've got a question about that. The, uh, they're being picked up in the alley because the alleys are wider. Well, in their rear entrance, that was the initial original indicator of alley pickup versus front yard pickup was if you had a rear entrance home, or the majority of the homes on that block were rear entrance, then they would remain to be rear entrance collection because most homeowners maintain their, in the cart system, most homeowners that have a cart system keep them in the alley or I mean in the garage or next to the garage. And so that was the basis for that determination. Not just them because they're wider and all that. I mean it's it's so a normal alley, can the trash trucks fit in the normal alley? And when I say a normal alley of greenwood, Glenwood, those alleys off of Howard. There's one or two, yes, and probably most, no. I mean, there's probably our alley standard has changed quite a few times over the years. And we have alleys that barely are 12 foot or 11 foot.

[2:01:27] And then we have alleys that are 20 foot wide. And so it depends on where we are in town is into which alley. That I don't necessarily know that we have a standard alley per se because our the alley standard has changed so many times since the since the gang of snot. I mean, my my pick up in front. It's always been picked up in the front. I'm like, I'm a little more upbeat than bit would. I don't have an alley either. So I pick up in the front and I'm fine with that, but I was under the impression, and I do remember if you picked up, if your garage was in the front or to the back, but if I was also under the impression or I thought I was told by someone that most of those alleys, they couldn't get down and pick the trash up. There are a lot of alleys in town that those trucks cannot maneuver down. Okay. And, you know, and we even had some streets that the new trucks had a hard time maneuvering down because of power lines and trees. And for the first, for the first 30 days, that was an issue as well. Other public comment? I have, I'll wait till after the public comment, I'm sorry, Mayor. Other public comment on this? I'd like to know really what we're doing about the the cards that stay against the curb all week long because in the inshane I'd rather neighbors not have to turn neighbors in when it's something that's so obvious that it's not being done and we have code officers and and others other employees out in the neighborhoods I would I would hope that they can they can report those because you know half the people are concerned about the appearance of the can staying out or things being taken out to the can and just

[2:03:34] staying there all the time and I think our pledge was in putting a time limit on that that there would be the expectation that that would be enforced and as I said I have those that are upset about that as well. And so far we've tried to take again more, I think Jeremy said it earlier, more of an communicate approach as to just walking out there and start handing out by you know citations for tickets we're getting into that point and passed it of course from you know a code enforcement standpoint we have six of those guys and I have Jeremy as a contract manager so somehow we need to do it I mean Gary probably could be deputized and give you give me addresses and names hundred in And from that standpoint, I know citizens have better things to do than call and complain on their neighbors, but from our standpoint, we're fairly short staff and for us to get all over town every day to make sure that yours are being put up every day, we're driving every street every day to make sure everybody's in compliance with the law would be very tough. So any assistance that we can get from citizens in that standpoint is greatly appreciated, especially if we have problem areas that we know in known problem areas. And then that way we can send Jeremy out and code enforcement out and really work those areas and try to correct the areas that we are having issues with. There, if I did. But we will. I mean, we're well, we'll do it for us. Certainly, and they're still there. I mean, I've turned them in monthly and they're still there. What we will address those. If I could Bob Solis and I talked about this the other day Bob has pointed out that there is an open line of communication between the code folks and Jeremy and they do work well together and it becomes a question of pace and intensity of enforcement effort.

[2:05:34] And so they're willing to work that harder or easier depending on counsel's preference. They do have a positive relationship with Jeremy, and I think that supportive element is there. You know, if they were to really crank up the effort on this code issue, other code issues would languish until they were able to get back to them. But they are ready to support in whatever capacity council and the contract folks need. It's a good relationship right now. was a very politically correct answer. Thank you. Well, but when you tell the public you're going to do something the public begins to lose faith in us if we're not fulfilling that. If that enforcement is not tough enough to suit the public that can change. Right now they are very much trying to be supportive and cooperative with our landfill folks but they're prepared to you know Bob he's prepared to move in whatever direction council deems appropriate so along those lines you know as she said you know it's not the citizens responsibility to call in but help is appreciated you know I've received I can count on one hand how many complaints I've had on cars being pulled out left on the street I know co-compliance to treat a few more than that but it's still it's very small for the problem that we have and you know I do check routes have making sure things are being done according to the contract and I noticed cards left out and I leave door hangers I talk to residents but as Shane said I'm only one person there's only six co-compliance officers so and it's hard to determine if this is a chronic problem or does somebody just forget to leave their card out so you educate them and go on but if somebody knows if there's a chronic problem and they get notified so we could really enforce that much stricter in those areas and hopefully get rid of those situations. Rodney do you have

[2:07:34] something say, sir. Okay. Anyone else? I have a comment. Let's close this one. Yes, sir. Yes, again here and I see I saw something the other day on my William Street and this is not fair. What I've witnessed by a person, a street person, I'm gonna be honest with you. Trying to survive out there on the street. I know him. I know of him. He's just out there making his rounds. I'm not against anybody trying to make a little money on the side with collecting maybe some metals or some aluminum which is a little 40 cents a pound but when that when that cans out of the curb I think that belongs to butts if it's recycled the other one of course belongs to Republic and our landfill but if he is seen out there on my street going through the recyclable cans and filling up his sack that's taken away from mr. butts a little bit now I know it's not a big problem but those areas could be watched to make sure no no pan hangers are going through We've got enough raccoons, gunks, and dogs, and cats that are upsetting these carts when they're full and bubbling over that we don't need someone else streaming it out with the winds blow here that we did in San Angelos, Texas, we don't need that trash on the street. I witnessed styrofoam all over my friend's street the other day. I don't know how it got there, but he was a little upset. Styrofoam chunks, pieces all over the place. Now if you ever want to see a mess, which I witnessed at Goodfellow Air Force Base while traveling with Mr. Blaine Martin the late Blaine Martin as he in his contract I had to pick up all the loose trash so well here's what happened one day when they had a refrigerator box that was delivered out and the refrigerator was taken out they put the big box out by the dumpster in course the winds came and toppled it over but if you you know if you can you can imagine what those little popcorn things look like all over the curb well they instructed him to pick that up of course and And he went to battle with him because his contract did not elicit to that. So he won that battle. But any of the stuff gets out like Styrofoam, any of the debris,

[2:09:34] the papers, because the lids are wide open, they're not bagged properly, as the republic said, they need to be bagged. So when their trucks do put them into the container and in the box that they remain as safe as they can without distributing them throughout our city. Thank you again. Let's close this one. If consider matters related to the construction of a boat ramp at Spring Creek Park, Lake Nazworth of approval of one of two options, Carl White. Yes, sir. At the end of this discussion, we'd like to have Council's approval of one of these two options. Quick orientation of where we're talking about. This is a knickerbocker going south into Lake Nazworthy. This is Spring Creek Park, where the star is, through Spring Creek Marina where the arrow is. The star is where the boat ramp project would be. We can close her in. The boat ramp would be constructed here at Spring Creek Park. This is a schematic of what the ramp would look like with the surrounding improvements. One thing I need to explain, because it's mentioned in the presentation, hindsight I should have shown a picture of it, is what is a coffer dam? A coffer dam is basically a large bladder that you fill water in. sink it into the water and it creates basically a dry zone inside the coffer dam so you can work to build the boat ramp. Just some quick history on this project started going back to 2012. Council did authorize some funds to buy some materials and work with the chamber to have folks who are contractors with the boat, drag boat, drag boat race committee build the boat ramp. Those volunteers became unavailable in 2013-14. So in July of 2014 we brought back an item to City Council to allocate some additional funds so we could bid out this project. The estimates on those bids came from a contractor familiar with the project.

[2:11:41] Looking closer more recently, in November we solicited bids for this project. We received to one bid for 240,000 just for the base project, $326,000 for the complete project, which is what we really want to do. December 17th last year, we met with the Chamber and the Drag Boat Race Committee to talk about what our options were to try to achieve to construct this boat ramp. And then on December 21st, we received a proposal from the Chamber proposing a collaborative effort to build the boat ramp. So we're looking at two options right now. The first option would be to execute a memorandum of understanding with the chamber. That would require us to do a couple of things. First, it would require us to allocate additional $40,000 to the project. I'll allocate $140,000 to purchase the coffer dam system and a storage container, not to exceed $140,000. It would also require us to reject the bid for construction that we got, and the funding is proposed to come out of hotel occupancy tax fund balance. Some advantages and disadvantages of this option. A good advantage is we would have a coffered-am system that could be used for other projects, and we do have other projects coming up or that we could do at the lake and elsewhere. In this scenario, the contractors have invested interest in the project and it's completion in terms of quality and speed of construction. Since these contractors, some of them are also part of the Drag Boat Race Committee, and they want to help support the drag boat races. This option does have a higher risk. There's no performance bond associated with the contract. The MOU likely won't be as specific as the construction agreement, and the city would, afterwards, be liable for the maintenance and storage of the cofferdam.

[2:13:42] It would be ours. The finances on this, this is the cost would be of the construction of the boat ramp under the MOU would be $150,000, the coffer dam system and the storage container, $140,000 for total cost, $290,000 funds that are currently allocated to this project, $110,000. So we're looking at needing an additional $180,000 for this project under option one. to would have us award the bid we received in an amount of $326,000 allocated an additional $216,000 to the project, which would come out of hotel occupancy tax fund balance, advantages and disadvantages, under this option there is a lower risk for the city because there would be a performance bond. city would not be liable for the maintenance and storage of a coffer dam. We wouldn't and it disadvantage would be that we wouldn't own a coffer dam to use for other projects and to be honest we're less confident under this scenario that the boat ramp project would be done in time for the boat races this June in the last bullet to repeat. Quick look at the finances there's our cost three hundred $26,000, funds available already now, $110,000, funds needed, $216,000. There is a third option we considered, but the contractor is not open to it. We purchased the coffer dam system and negotiate with a contractor for a lower construction price. And we do have folks from the Chamber, the Visitor Center, and the Boat Race Committee here, too, who may want to speak to it. I think Rodney may want to speak to it as well. I was going to turn it over to you first Rodney. I met with the Caro in the chamber in the drag boat race committee multiple times on this situation and option one I believe is the best option.

[2:15:45] First of all we saved $36,000 over option two. We have the cofferdam, we own the cofferdam, and even if we, on our next project, we have several projects that we can use this cofferdam for, even if we lease it, which is what happens is a lot of the time you lease these coffer dams. I believe it was around $70,000 to lease it, right? I was thinking $60,000, but how much? I was thinking $60,000. It was $60,000 or $70,000 just to lease it. And so you pay for it, once you use it that second time, you well more than pay for the purchase of the coffer dam. And we have multiple projects that we can use this on. We have several ramps that need to be redone out the lake at this time and this is the perfect item to redo those rams and what it is is it's basically just a temporary wall that will surround it goes from land and makes kind of a horseshoe and allows everything to dry out on the inside you pump all the water out on the inside of it and then you redo the cement that's inside but to me also the biggest thing on this is that the drag boat association really needs this ramp we agreed that we would get this ramp in for them and needs to be widened and make it where they can get in and out of the water much faster than what they're doing at this time. And so we want to keep those people happy because we make a lot of money off of taxes by this event each year and we want to keep the event going and make them as happy as we can make them you know with the amount of money that we have. I see that this is not that big of a deal a lot of it's coming out of the half-cent sales tax money or hot to lock the hot the hot money and so I see that that that would be it this is a perfect situation for that money and I believe that option one would be the way to go and it the completion time is the biggest thing here if we go with option two there's a really good chance that they we might not even start it this year or we for sure might not finish it in time for the races this

[2:17:45] year I know we were the proud owner of a Zamboni there for a while now this This is not the same thing, okay. I do want to clarify that those copper dams come in different heights. I think this particular one is a 16 foot. I think it's 12. Don't misconstrue that it's going to work on any project. Rodney's correct. It will work on projects. There are portions of the lake that are deeper than that. So I just want council clear on that. It isn't going to be a fix for every project we have out there. We do have one project coming up at the Middle Country Park boat ramp project. We use it twice. We've made money. Yeah. You want to put that in the form of motion? I move that we accept option number one as presented. Second. Rodney Marty made the second. Do y'all want to listen to the public public comment on this before we move on? Do I have public comment on this item? Nathan. Yes, again. I know I'm just full of question, But y'all seem to have all the right answers. That's why I'm here. This call for damn 12 foot, which is In the thousands we like to do that. I think Rodney thinks it's the best way I I may want to agree right now But I'd like to know what what is a 16 foot cost? We may want to lease that thing out to Robert Lee or Brad or something. They may be one by so I don't know if you can move them around is that is that feasible? Thank you You can move it around every after you pump the water out roll it out dry it out you roll it back up and then store it you can move it around. I think 12 feet is the size that we thought would be best and most flexible for our use. I don't think the water is quite that deep at the location of Spring Creek but I think it gives us more flexibility than 12 feet. I don't know if you want to address that but that is an

[2:19:48] option of council if you would like to buy a taller one it does go up in price so your allocation would please. I have further public comment on this item. Council, do we need a further discussion on this before we vote? Do we have a motion? Do we accept as presented to go with option number one? This would be with the 12 foot. I suppose if there was a, if it's not that much more expensive, if we can come in with a figure, then we can come back with an amendment. But as it stands, this would be with the 12 foot that has been seconded. No further public comment, Council comment I call for the vote all in favor. Please say aye. Aye. Opposed nay. Let's put a 7-0 on that one, please. Thank you, Carla. It is 12-4 p.m. We have one little item to discuss in executive. Is everybody in favor of go ahead and take in about an hour lunch break right now and then coming back. Do we need an hour? Maybe 30. 30-45. Let's say if it's 12-45. No, 30-35. Let's shoot for 1245 to one. So that'll give us 45 minutes to 55 minutes for one because there are people I'm sure that are here for let's shoot for 1245. I think 1245 will work. Let me read section five one oh seven one one eight consult with turning to the governmental body seeks advice for turning about pending contemplated litigation regarding number two murder for Hershfield energy systems L.L.C.E.T.A.L. and number three, Templeton Construction, 1204. We are now in executive meeting call back to order at this time. We are now to item G which is consider authorizing staff to negotiate in the mayor of City Manager Execute and agree move with two pro management for management operation of the Santa Fe golf course with an annual management fee not to exceed $75,000 car. This is Santa Fe golf course in Santa Fe Park basically from South Bryant to this

[2:21:52] this point here along the river, all 33 acres. Quick look at a few snapshots of some of the programs, emphasizing youth programs, and Steve McNabb from Two Pro is here. He can talk about programs later. Some shots of our beloved golf course. The purpose, there's two purposes for this agreement. One is to provide affordable recreational opportunities in the form of golf and other golf related activities and maintain one of our most important public properties, Santa Fe Park. Quick history. We first entered into an agreement. The city used to run the golf course, but back in 2010, we went to a two-pro for two-pro to run the golf course. That agreement, as you may recall, was amended in 2012, and it has expired in September 2015. Basically there's a management fee, the city pays to two-pro, and in the current agreement There is credits for water, helping to pay for water. And that money is budgeted in this fiscal year budget. Staff does recommend renewing the agreement. Here are the key elements. Two pro provides the operation of the course and its maintenance. They do all the marketing and programming. And we pay them the stipend of $20, $75,000 management fee. If they hit $115,000 gross revenues, the city's supposed to get 50%, they haven't hit that mark yet. And there is up to $10,000 that can be applied each year in quarterly installments if situations warrant such that there is limited rainfall. And the language is in the agreement to control that. The proposed terms are essentially the same. We're looking at a one five year term with one option to renew for three years.

[2:23:52] The city pays a flat angle fee of $75,000 for running the golf course and providing that service. And the same two other terms are in place with the gross revenues payment to the city and the water credits. So we recommend that you allow us to authorize us to finalize negotiations for this agreement and execute it such that we can put it back place and operate this golf course. It has been a good partnership. It has. I can't think of any problems we've had. Did you just cover what the pluses have been since they took over? I can mention the pluses. The main things are that they're professional professionals in terms of golf. In the past we ran the golf course. We did have a golf per running that. He retired. We maintained the golf course. He ran the programs. But in this case we've hired two pro their professional golfers their golf pros this is what they do for a living and so basically we just manage the the agreement the city does I think in their connection with the other golf courses brings all of that into the smaller for the golfer who wants to be slower he still has reach each out to the private golf courses. That's true. Accessibility. That's true, and Steve might be able to talk about some of the other things that they do. Any further comments from council? Do you have a few of this presenting? Do I have a second? Do I have a motion to approve this presenting? Public comment? I think it's been an excellent partnership. This is one of them that worked. If I have no public comment, I have no further council comment, I call for the vote all in favor of accepting as proposed

[2:25:53] please say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Nays, let's put a seven-oh-one that one please sir. Let's move on to number H, which is Consider Resolution Authorizing San Angelo Girl's Fast Bitch Association to utilize Texas Bank Sports Complex for the West Texas All-Star tournaments in July 13th, 17 to 16 waiting rental fees for fees and allowing cost of staff to assist for the tournament at no cost. Brent Casey, you are on fire. Thank you, Mr. Mayor, appreciate it. So we have a request for NCY support from SAGFA to provide $3,250 and waive the rental fee for the Texas bank sports complex for their tournament coming up in July. They also want us to supply 70 to 90 hours for field maintenance that's just to maintain the fields between games and things. Other labor, they requested is trash runner, running for water and ice, things like that. And they've also requested our 10% that we get from the concessions stands. So, SACFA is here. They want to come up and talk to you guys and say it. Last time they had it was in 2012, I believe. But I'll let Mr. Owen. What is the total they're requesting? It depends on how many teams they get. The $3,250 is for the rental. And then the 70 to 90 hours, that would It depends on how much hours per labor, that would be just depending on how many teams they get, which they're expecting 100 teams to come in. That could be another $3,000. Yes, sir, it could be. Yes, sir, absolutely. And then they're asking for ice runners, and then they don't want to give us a 10%. They want to take away our 10% commission on concessions. So we're looking at, seven, eight, $10,000. Yes, sir. Eight, $10,000, then. Yes, sir. Yeah, I'd like to hear their justification for it. Goings.

[2:27:58] Good afternoon. My name is Randy Owen. I'm the president of San Angelo Girls' Fast Picture Association. What SACCO has come before you today to discuss is that we would try to get a little bit of help of bringing the West Texas All-Star Tournament to San Angelo. Last year it was held in bedland, and it used to come here every four years. It's our time to host it if we can make this come about. What we're looking at is a little bit of help because financially we can't do it without the help from the city of Samantha. So that's what we're here for today. Just to ask that if it could be allowable, for the city to help us in this tournament. But financially we can't host this tournament. The tournament will go to Midland, Texas if we do not host the tournament. So we have to know something. Rodney? Do y'all have sponsors for the tournament? No, sir. We've got a question for you. Do we do we do this for any other organization? No, sir. I've been there since one May of last year, and this is the first request that we had for in consequence. So in the past, we've never done this before. I can't say that we've never have, but not since I've been there. How can you do that history? For this same tournament, we have two times since I've worked for the city. We've given them support to host the tournament. And for other groups, basically if we get a proposal from other groups, then the last one we got was three years ago. We bring that to the board for a recommendation, then we bring it to council. So they don't happen too often. Well, how do we justify this right here, as far as we didn't think about economic impact, do you want to talk about that? Right. That's the big thing for this is that it's a big tournament. It's one of the bigger tournaments, and it does have a significant economic impact. I believe it's estimated at 1.6 this time around.

[2:29:59] Last time is $2.3 million, so right now that's what we're projecting is about 1.6 million dollar economic impact. And then. When I served on the board for the SACPA, San Angelo Girls Fast Pitch Association, the fundraisers, of course, the Midnight Madness tournament which brings in a lot of monies for them but the all-star tournament is a rotation deal that once every three years I believe it is that they can come into rotation to host the all-star tournament. It's a huge money maker and each team is charged $450 registration fee that's the normal amount that to bring the team in and that in itself is $43,200 on an estimated 96 teams. Now, back in doing the numbers is what the economic impact of having the All-Star tournament, and this has been several years, at least 10, 12 years since I have worked with SAGPA, but that economic impact brought in second only to the rodeo the biggest one weekend in San Angelo, which is great and is wonderful. However, All-Stars or midnight madness makes money for these organizations because they do charge that entry fee, that tournament fee. And in the past, they've gotten a gate fee, which they get all of their gate fee, and that's another close to $50,000. I am opposed to giving up the rental on the fields. We've worked very, very hard, and it has cost the city considerable dollars to put the fields in and maintain the fields, But giving compensation, I'm all for giving them the help that they need and in-kind compensation for guys to work the fields, grade the fields, this is including lining the fields, and water buckets and ice, and that is considerable dollars that we do pay,

[2:31:59] and it's normally paid at a time and a half hourly wage to our people because it is after hours and long extended hours. That's just from my perspective, what we have to maintain those fields and provide, we're not there to make money. The city's not, but we can't be going into the red or subsidizing every team that comes in whether it's boys tournaments or whether it be kickball or other sports organizations that participate out there. So I don't mind helping with how Carl feels that we should try and help, but I am opposed to waving those field fees, the rental fees. And I'm happy to answer any question about expense or that they have. It's a lot of work. It's all volunteer work. And it's difficult to predict what your income is going to be from the volunteer standpoint, But I guarantee you where those little girls go to play ball, there's going to be anywhere from three and a half to five people that follow them just to watch. And that gate fee, which I didn't see anything in your numbers where you were going to charge a gate fee, I've never been to an all-star tournament where you weren't required to pay a gate fee when you went in. And I think that that's gracious on your part, not to charge a gate fee, but that's very gracious when you want to ask us to give up the rental of the fields. Plus, I didn't see anything in here in my background. All of our participating organizations are asked to provide financial statements, tax returns or financial statements other than a spreadsheet for what your previous years

[2:34:02] profits and losses have been and SAGFA has never provided that. And ask for us to give up something that is so large, we kind of need to see those income statements so that our activity directors can make a decision to recommend a council in my opinion. If I'm looking at Charlotte's numbers, I can see with gate fees and team fees somewhere in the neighborhood of $80,000 being collected off this tournament? They say they aren't going to be charging a gate fee. They are not. They are not. But I'm saying that's very generous on their part, because you have to pay a gate fee everywhere you go to a tournament. I think a gate fee could pick up this $10,000 very, very quickly with a very minimum amount of gate fee. I went to a basketball tournament in Brady yesterday and paid $6 for one game. I did last night and I paid $6 a person. So a gate fee wouldn't go. it wouldn't take many gate fees, it wouldn't take a very large gate fee to pick this $10,000 up that they're asking for, and we would avoid the precedents since this is going to start. Because every tournament that comes in here now is going to be asked that we take away the fees, that we provide, that they last for the same thing, and they have that right to. And that's not what the citizens built that sport complex for. Excuse me, may I address that a little bit? There is a four member board which is called an executive board. I am a part of that. It's the president of St. Angelo, Mezzan Odessa, and Lubbock. We have an executive board meeting once a year in February. And what is discussed at the executive board and is voted on at the executive board is what everybody goes by as far as hosting all stores. Okay, we have no choice at St. Angelo Close Trans Pictures Association because the executive board has decided that there will be no gate fees charged at the West Texas All Stores Tournament.

[2:36:05] And it's out of our hands, in other words, SAGFUCK has no control over the gate fees, yes, we're on an all or no, you know. Can you add the ability to go and to get advertising field sponsors and other sponsors of the various girls team for this. There's nothing that says that you can't do that. That is correct. I think that's what a lot of baseball does, is you get a name sponsors to cover those expenses. The only thing that I think this is a great deal for the economic impact that we will get from it, and I don't want to lose it. But I also don't want to set the precedence of having ever boys or girls team of ever sort that can play at those fields coming back to this body and asking for the very same thing. And honestly, if you were to get this, I don't know whether you are or not, but if you were to get this, and I was watching this, and in fact, I would go and tell my friends that are in the baseball, well, you need to go up there and say, well, they got that, you need to get the very same thing. And it just doesn't seem, that doesn't seem quite right. It seems unreasonable that an executive board of a softball baseball or soccer, whatever association can dictate, there'll be no gate fees. Well, that's fine, but if that's what y'all want to do collectively, but you're speaking for what you're using, the facilities that you're using, there's got to be a cost there that's got the offset. And if you give up gate fees, then I don't see how you can ask for free field use. You're going to have to take those gate fees and take that cut out of your budget. not setting a precedence for getting freebies for fields that we've got to maintain. And I might add that was voted the best in Texas not long ago for these tournaments. And the

[2:38:09] fact that we are even doing additional improvements out there with more restrooms and more coverage and the things that are have been upcoming and going in as improvements out there. Oh, do I remember you asking for? Just about this amount several years ago to put on a river fest and You were told no go out and make you own money and you did quickly. Do I remember that? Yes, sir, but this this one potentially does have much more economic impact Is there not an established process to determine what what funds city funds are used through? If we get a proposal and we don't get that many proposals, this is the first in three years. We take that proposal, analyze it with the folks who propose it and then we take it to the board and then we take that to the city council. If we had more proposals each year, we would create a process but we don't get them that off. Board's recommendation, it's not in here. Board recommended that approval, or approval to bring it to you guys, through the Council with the budget, which they, which they did give us, finally. Well, it would be helpful if the Board's recommendation was on that memo, but, or maybe I'm just not seeing it. And I thought I had read that the recreation board did not recommend waving the field fees. I met with you last week. I was reading something that was handed. I think what I recall was that the board recommended moving it forward as it was presented.

[2:40:10] Three three we we we heard three years ago that was it was AJ one that they made a request. I've you may notice and one thing I think maybe what Randy is saying that has happened a few years ago there was a lot of stuff going on between the different communities about what one was offering and the other was an offering and those kind of things going back and forth. So I'm assuming this group that meets is somewhat to help stop some of that from going on. It was an issue of, well, was middling going to get it or Odessa or whoever if they trump someone else is dead. So I'm assuming that's what your board tried to help eliminate by putting this group together to review so those communities could be kind of consistent. Where they get those funds from, I'm sure they didn't establish that, they just said here's the parameters if you want to go out and sponsor ships and so forth. So yes, he was here and that was one of those times where he's making sort of the demands on well I got this in Odessa or Midland. Do you know the total expenses for trophies, the total expenses for the travel per diem for umpires, the rooming for umpires, a lot of that has always been from sponsorship from various businesses that would pick up the hotel room fees or that would provide coupons for food. That was all done through sponsorship that is done on the organization, their responsibility, and then therefore that cost wouldn't be them writing a check out to that organization. done this through sponsorship and I just don't see any of that here. Rodney? I'm trying to figure out on the program ads you're at asking y'all are making five almost 5,000 program ads and looks and it costs $3,000. They just a couple pages doesn't make sense to me. See it's that's a big money maker program ads and then

[2:42:23] in selling the programs themselves. Yeah, I don't have my thing in front of me. I'm sorry, my name is Sherry Kearney. OK. If I can remember correctly, at the 2012 All-Star Tournament, we had ordered 1,500 programs. We ended up throwing away probably 800 of them. They just didn't sell. People are not, I don't know, they're not that interested in the programs. And the programs have become more and more just pictures of the kids. There's been fewer and fewer every year advertisements in those. By the time July comes around a lot of our sponsors begin to tell us we've already used up our money. We don't have the money until next budget year. That's where your pre-planning comes in that you start now instead of waiting until July to get into their budget. This is most people's budget planning month. Yes that's correct. You know a program you know the size program that you get or that is sponsor made you know cutting the price of what you give out you know maybe the answer but that's all things for the organization to figure out how to do the business and not hope that you can get something for free. Yes the city is benefiting they certainly are because it brings in the economic dollar but we can't subsidize. I'm just dead set against subsidizing because it's not everybody in the city plays ball or uses the field and I have to balance that. Can we use Anthony in this situation to help promote and try to find a sponsorship through our channel on this because this is a economic impact to our city. I think our current policy says is if we're a partner in an event of some sort like recreation is partnering so in this

[2:44:24] case if we're obviously going to provide assistance then that means we've got some skin in the game so yes most likely. See I would like to I'd like Anthony to get involved and try to do a bit he does such cool videos if he could do some videos and do some internet stuff for you guys, to help you come up with that extra money, maybe more money, than what is here, and the sponsors to get the sponsors. I'm on board 100% for that, because that's what his job is to help out on those different types of situations. So I really like that. The only thing that I'm with Charlotte on this, I know that sounds odd, but I agree with her on this is if we if we do open this up I'm afraid that it's going to be opened up to other people and I just don't think it's fair to everybody. I think everybody should pay the same. I don't think we should give you the hours or anything but I do I do think that Anthony can take his time in Brian's time to to figure out how to help you guys come up with sponsors and and also to promote it when it comes time to promote it do that because well I know we've done some stuff off of the rodeo and things like that. This is a big thing for our city, and I think that we could help you guys on that and get the money for you that way. Carl came up with the money. In the past, Suddenlink offered a little ticker down at the bottom. They offered free advertising of the tournament that's scrolled across the televisions everywhere, which is very valuable to have your pre-planning in advance advertising of the tournament. One thing, Sherry, that I would like you to understand is if we give up this 3,600, or let's just say $5,000, that $5,000 has got to be made and paid up from somewhere. That means that's less money to provide for improvements and having practice fields or adding things to the arena that we've been adding, the playground, the parks, the things

[2:46:26] that have been come on after the initial grand opening. You know, we've been trying to add something in years to bring it up. That means we've got to take that money away from somewhere if we start giving away the rental of the fields. Whatever decision we make on this, if we give the concession, if we give the hours or if we give the rental, whatever decision we make today on this is going to determine every conference, every time anyone comes into that field and wants to rent it. even the little eggs. I could see them coming in and say, you know, you gave them health, you gave them the fields, you gave them the concessions, any decision we make on this, whatever concessions we make, we're gonna give it to everybody and every turn of it that comes into this field and we can't do that. I understand that. What we're up against to before we get too far into this is Rick brought up, you know, saying maybe the city would like to partner up or something on this, you don't wanna try to make this work. for Eddie Zill in stone or the ones that's going to make the judgment as to where this tournament comes here or whatever comes out of this meeting we decided this tournament comes here it goes back to middle in Texas they are animal about saying nobody this is for SAGFRA we'll bring the tournament to if it's for SAGFRA but it's a serious and that's always making any money out of the deal they said the tournament won't come here so I want to just go ahead and get that out right now because their big issue is and I understand this is San Angelo, Texas, this is not middling, this is not on this or whatever. But what they keep bringing to us, they say, well, our fields are just as nice as the fields are in San Angelo, Texas, and we don't charge a dime for our kids to play out there. And that's the issues that we're up against. The guys that I'm dealing with with Freddy's Hill and him or just anti-San Angelo, I just put it to you that away. So we're fighting to get that term here, but without any help from y'all, we can't bring that term here We're not financially stapling up to bring that tournament to stance on the cases. I mean, that's just the bottom line

[2:48:30] And I understand with Miss Charlotte saying, you know about okay, you know Sponsorships and things like that or the economy, you know, maybe we should have started earlier or something or done something different But I've got a like a seven member board is all I've got to try to do this And there's no way seven people can pull off this term. It is not going to happen, so. There's not, I don't think that what I hear from the council is, we're not willing to help, and we're not willing to help with this on, we are. But there has to be a dollar amount of value put in number figures for me. You're requesting 12 employees to run water back and forth, trash and chalk at $10 per hour for 70 hours. I don't think a time and a half wage is $10. It's considerably more than that, so we are giving you in-kind support at a minimum of 5608, which I'm figuring that figure's gonna be about $6,500. What I would like to see, a recommendation that I would like to make, is for you to take your financials, Your tax returns to either Carl White or Rick Weiss and sit down with what you provided in this sheet and come up with a more reasonable amount of what we're already giving and show that to us versus what we're looking at because I can't approve in good conscious what we're looking at. Charlotte and working also with Carl and Rick, I mean between now and probably the next meeting also develop a plan for how that would look as far as the sponsorships and so forth. And I think it'd be surprised at how many commitments, verbal commitment you'd get from business. Saying, though, it comes from this meeting, though. And if that's the case, and I don't think it's really the money that we're talking about, because we're going to talk about another item here in a minute that dwarfs this, that's in the same type of field as this field is, it's the process that we're talking about. And then we're talking about the future for all sports,

[2:50:32] male, female, everything. So I don't want us to get bogged down in how much this costs. And this could be $7,000 to the city, especially when we've passed all these things that are millions of dollars. We're gonna talk about one that's $1.7 million. That this is the process that we're talking about. But I wish that it wouldn't end at this, because I think Anthony and Carl could come up with some good ideas for you to get the sponsors and get the money if you need the money. But I'm not going to be for any of this The hours are the filled rental. I'm gonna put it out there. Is anybody gonna make a motion on this? We also need to remember if there was 10 million dollars worth of taxpayer money built that field out there. And we have a responsibility to those people as well. I understand that 100%, yes sir. I'm not in favor of giving anything. I think these organizations all stand on their own. I will make a motion for you to take this back and rework it with Carl White and Mr. Casey. I'm sorry, thank you before it's brought back to the city. I will make that motion. I'll second that. And I think that we need to set precedent here that we don't end to the boards that look at this underneath us. I think that the council that's sitting here, the board that's sitting here right now is not gonna be in favor. I don't know, I don't know how the vote's gonna go, but from what I'm hearing, a lot of people up here are not gonna be in favor of allowing those type of things, where they need to, Dwayne said it perfectly, they need to stand on their own. And then we can help with certain things, especially the advertising. And advertising can be quite expensive, actually way more than this. I mean, I think that anything- Charge $2 a head at the gate and they can make this- Well, he's saying it to 10th out.

[2:52:32] Well, maybe there's some concessions it could be made, but that could account for the eight to $10,000 asking us for. And we can't compare ourselves to Midland or Bessa or even Abilene for that matter because our tax base is different than their tax base. Ours is reliant primarily on residential and they have a lot of commercial there and so we just don't have the same kind of income. It's also possible if it's $30 a barrel oil. Midland's outlook may change as well. They're facing some of the same problem. Would you have run. Motion wouldn't be needed. We could just table this item and give direction to stand. Perfect. I would I would draw on second. To clarify Charlotte's request we would we would go back with them and discuss their financials how we might come up with another approach to meet their needs that would reduce what the city would be doing. That's just direction if they're willing to do that direction. In the end we need something that's fair to all similar organizations where there's a clear benefit to the public for the value of whatever public dollars are being invested versus returned. I don't want to see them be too subjected. We felt this one certainly had enough economic impact that warranted the review and so we'll We'll look at that threshold as well. I went home. In direction, so that's not about just giving direction to that. Stable is. Let you look at it a little closer. What they requested was the next meeting.

[2:54:32] OK, my problem with that is that come February 3, I'm going to be in middle in Texas and I have to have an answer, yes or no. And I know that's not giving you all much time, but that's the ultimatum that they give to me. Because if they have to move this term, but they have to have time also to regroup and do something else. So I have to don't- What's the meeting date for February? Okay. Well, I would say the way that consensus looks now, unless you come up with something concrete the next two weeks, I'd say you've already got a pretty good answer to tell them on the third. Yes or no? Yes. Just like it. Don't give up on it. I mean, the sponsor, Carl went out and he dug up sponsors. Carl made money out of that river. There's a difference, though. That was Carl's part of Carl's job. Oh, I'm not telling Carl that. And he has another job. Thank you. But still, you know, you can have a special call board meeting to discuss this. And well, the meetings are meetings on the second, though. meetings on the second. You meet on the third, is that correct? And it's correct, yes. So you'll have your response by then. And also, you have the players' parents, and their friends, and everybody, you know, look it on board. I mean, you just have to do a little convincing. And that's worth it. I hope y'all right. It's all I can say. We believe in you. Thank you, Randy. Thank you. Let's move on now to the next one, which is, consider authorizing staff to develop plans for the renovation of the 29th Street Sports Complex using half-cent sales tax funds in the amount of $1,750,000 designated for this purpose, Mr. Casey. Thank you again, sir. Okay, yes, 29th Street Complex, that's the location there, across from Kirby Park, across the river from Kirby Park.

[2:56:33] There used to be a lot more fields out there, what we're going to concentrate are five fields up close to the road there. What we're requesting to concentrate on them. Basically, we're just requesting to move forward with the plan to try to update it so that it's usable again, usable complex currently. It's in pretty grand down shape, unusable for competitive play, limited use for practices. Our vision is to completely redo the five fields that are up close to the road and using funds allocated from the hesitant sales tax, it's going to require renovations throughout the whole complex. Here's some pictures of 23 complex, the one on the right. That's looking at the field that is currently still used as a practice field, that's the 315 baseball field. So it's a decent field, but it still needs lots of work. The fences are falling down, the bleachers need to be replaced. The middle field is one that's not used very much, although somebody has been out there on it, but it needs basically to be completely redone. And then as you can see on the far right picture, the bleachers, they're completely gone rotten, not safety, be sitting on them. The left picture there is the walkway going up from the parking lot. The middle center picture is the parking lot. One of the two parking lots that are out there and the fence is all messed up there. And then the far right picture is one of the entrances or exits, which probably needs to be taken away or repaired off on the street because it's such a difference. and then obviously the water stands there as well. Market Recreation Board was to take the city council for approval and improvements, not to exceed the 1.75 million. Northern Little League is interested in adopting as its main complex, if it's in better condition, but of course they would have to take that to their board to get a vote on that after it was completed. Possible renewal agreement, such as, going with Southern Little League at the Texas Banks Forge Complex is basically what we would be using and looking to get out there. but what we really want to do is just revamp the entire complex, the fences on the far left

[2:58:35] photo there. They're all like that. Some of them could be repaired. A lot of them would still need to be replaced with bleachers again and the two center photos and then the far right photo is the concessionary and the restrooms, which would need to be completely redone. Those would be to utilize the five fields of the sand, four fields for play and one for practice. The free fields would have Try to get three fields at 225 feet to allow for little league fast pitch and fast pitch play And also the junior senior field would be a 315 which would be for pony league and older kids for baseball What could be used for other things as well? Here is a conceptual what we're looking at The far right and the one right next to it that those fields are actually the same size Even though it doesn't look like it in this drawing but they're going to be 225 fields and the one straight up to the north from it would be the 225 field as well. The second from the far right field is the 315 field that's currently used for practice and then the far right field is just a practice field that we would hope would just maintain a grass infield and we'd also be able to utilize that for football along with other things. And then the practice area in the back where all the fields used to be a long time ago would just be areas for practices which are hard to get for a lot of people. A lot of teams, depending on what the season is. And we recommend the development of the lower property for the river to practice area, soccer fields, soccer football, lots of great space there. We need a little work, possibly leveling and planting turf. We make much needed space for our practices. Property is owned by U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, probably should have said that again, and it's leased by us. Any questions about that one? Again, it's just basically requesting permission to go forward with the plans And hopefully we don't know if there's going to be enough money to get the five fields that we're looking at, but it's going to be multi-use fields. They're going to be used for football, for a little league, for fast-paced for baseball. All kinds of things that's going to provide a lot more space for practice areas. One of the reasons that we originally got the new field,

[3:00:40] the Texas Bank Sports Complex, and during that time, however many years ago that's been now, it was always talked about at various sports meetings, recreation meeting and at councils that the 29th Street be converted to practice fields or it could go to the Northern Little League and maintain if they wanted to move because of their limited parking structure right in the middle residential neighborhood where they're at. Both of those were discussed and talked upon and agreed upon that as money became available and it was on the ballot. It was on the ballot that the 29th Street Complex to be improved for practice field purposes so this is not anything a request is out of the ordinary that wasn't in the original make a plan and stay with it and I am in favor and I am in support of this for those reasons and the items that need to be addressed I strongly wanted the something down with the road because it is it's a hazard with the split levels and stuff and we talked about the parking area especially if the Northern Italy moved that parking area in that road must be addressed and dealt with it's it's a hazard but of course not any more hazard when they where they currently are and they're surrounded by streets so I make motion to approve which there's two options Charlotte first the first option but the option that we're proposing is to create this as a practice complex for all sports all these sports outdoor sports but there would be fields developed for the pony league and also this one this one little league and also for past pitch to accommodate all flag football soccer we need ball series that's been a problem all over town football flag football soccer baseball

[3:02:42] all of them, we don't have near that. What I call the bottoms down there is pretty flat of that that sucker and put ball or kickball can be utilized for practice. It'd be open space that you'd make different sizes out of practice fields. Can you explain to me again what Northern Little League's position is in this? They're looking at their options, they're looking at other places as well. I think to meet the intent of the original ballot language, we would really need to develop this as a practice complex for all sports. I don't know if just having Northern there would meet the intent, the original intent. Southern still play at the sports complex? Southern, where it's at the sports complex. So could this be developed in the same fashion where it's Northern's home, but not exclusive to Northern? It's true, but if we make, we would probably have to have a two or three baseball fields. sure they would be multi-use for just their use to play baseball as well as other uses because we'd have to have that the line having been a Northern parent my concern has been for many years about the disparity between the quality of the fields between the different leagues and certainly Southern did not have anything too nice until the sports complex is completed but But Northerns have been, I would say, since then the worst when you compare it to Western. Yeah, Western. That's correct. If we're going to be the owner, maybe not the operator for the league play, that there's greater equity amongst the quality of the fields. However, that's accomplished, I don't know. But I wouldn't say we've accomplished that today. We approach more than though and ask that they want to have and we have not got no answer No, their board will have to decide on it Lakeview Lakeview has a complex of three fields that they basically least from the school district next to Lakeview High School

[3:04:50] But we maintain those fields are not equipped for The to for the 315 to 225 feet only leave the pony no they're not they always played over there right either that or on the Lakeview high school field we played some pony on the high school field right exactly my dream is always been to tie this in with Kirby Park with the soccer complex down the road make it one big thing and I'm thinking now since we have created this new pony league if we designated this with the pony league on that one one big field and maybe with an order on the other we would have something then that we could we could justify this field at to upkeep and we could have all of our pony leagues play over there and I think there's going to be a great amount of interest in the pony leagues. I don't know that's just kind of what I thought. I would certainly like to move on and if no one else seconds her motion I will. I just want to ask a question. Will you put make it clear to the public that where we got this money and because I might think okay here we are going to invest 1.75 million in this complex and then we actually been using it for something else. So will you please elaborate on that? Right, just some quick history. This property is leased from the Corps of Engineers. It's tied in with the overall lease with the property below the dam with the soccer complexes. That's all part of one lease. And by the lease, if we want to keep leasing that property, we must provide recreational facilities and opportunities for the public. We're not currently doing a really good job of that right now based on the condition of the facilities. This was home to the Girl's Fast Pitch Association, of course, in order to have that one field there and continue to use it. Once we built the Texas Bank Sports Complex, the Girl's Fast Pitch Association moved over to the New Sports Complex, and we converted this basically to open space and removed a lot of the fences and backstops primarily because it was in poor condition.

[3:06:52] Where the money came from is half set sales tax from the last referendum, public referendum. It was in the ballot specifically for 29th Street complex for youth sports and so we're trying to meet the intent of being a good lessee of the property, providing what we're supposed to provide in the lease, meet the intent of the, what was the language in the ballot and meet the needs of the public in terms of youth sports, providing practice fields and fields for to play and practice. That's the background. Have any further questions from Council? Okay. I will open it up to public comment here, if anyone wishes to address this. All it has moved that we accept this as it has been presented. It has been seconded from the Fleming. I will now call for the vote. All in favour of please say aye. Aye. Opposed nay. Put a 7-0 on that one please. 6. Who's setting aye? John is south of here. Yeah, sorry. Put a 6-0 vote on this Mr. Brian. I thought Johnny was coming back, where Johnny is, he ain't coming back is he not coming back. Let's move to Jay, demonstration of the city's website, new mobile enhancement, Anthony Wilson, is this going to be an internet choice where people vote? No sir, no public voting on this one, no logos involved whatsoever. is this is a controversy free presentation. It'll be the first to move ahead of the day. So I'm here to talk about a new project, a new upgrade to our website and that is what is called a mobile enhancement. Just a very brief amount of background you may recall that we relaunched the revamped website back

[3:08:53] February of 2014, the website's won a few awards now, and it also sported a responsive design. And what that means is depending upon the type of device that you called up our website to, then the website automatically adjusted whether it was a desktop or a laptop, whether it was a smartphone or whether it was a tablet. These are some some analytics from the past month between December 14th in January 13th, we had a little more than 41,000 visits to the city's website. Of that, as you can see here, nearly 42% of those visits came from mobile devices, smartphones. So that sort of underscores the importance of having a responsive design on your website because increasing amount of traffic to our website is coming from smartphones and from tablets. month we also had nearly 20,000 new users and of those 46% were from mobile devices from smartphones. And so I'm sure you're all aware that's what our website looks like now if you were to call it up on a on a desktop or on a laptop. Now I'm going to invite you if you will to please perhaps pull out your own smartphone and call up your browser and type in cosetx.us and I think Brian is going to flip a switch back there and I have my phone plugged into the presentation system. Hopefully it's going to come up. There we go. Okay, so if you call up our website on your smartphone, this is what it looks like now. And you can see that it has very much the look and feel of a mobile app, although there is no download for this. Again, all you do is you go into your browser right here, type in coast of Tx dot us and it calls this up you can see at the top of this

[3:10:55] design we have 16 I think are eye-catching icons to the pages that we feel like are either the most popular the most useful or the most important so for instance if I wanted to learn about today's city council meeting I would touch the city council icon and it is uploading and there is the city council page go back if I wanted to get some contact information for, let's say, GIS coordinator. He just happens to be right there at the top because it's in alphabetical order. And there you go. And you could access our contact information. So we tried to put up here the places that people want and need to visit. And in some instances, where we want to direct people to, for instance, in my estimation, our calendar items are much that way as is our city news. Down below here you can see we have another six popular links and again this is to try to get people very quickly to the things that are of interest or importance or impact to them. You can purchase an online ticket right there and let me click on that. You can see it, it will automatically go to our thickening website. The icons at the top of this design are editable, so at times we will switch some of these out and put things in depending upon what's going on within our organization. For instance as we near the early voting period for the May election, we'll switch one of these out and put in a button that will take people directly to our elections page so they can find out when and where they want to vote. I think this is an upgrade to our website. I think it's a good indicator that we're constantly looking to improve the website and make it as functional and useful for people as possible. So I just wanted to introduce this to the council and as importantly our viewing

[3:12:58] public on the SATV so hopefully they can make use of this and it'll help them to get into the places that they want to go into our website much quicker and cleaner than before. In fact, let's see if I turn this this way. There you can see I just turned my phone sideways and and that's sort of what the website looks look like previously on a on a web on a smart phone. Turn it back this way and there we go. Questions? I just learned how to make a phone call, oh man. I'll be happy to give you some tutorials man. That's good Anthony, thank you buddy. Any questions This point? Yeah. Are you and Brian ever bitten my squirrels or die? I mean, y'all take a lot of outdoor stuff. It's really nice. Thank you. Good job. Thank you. Public comment on this item before we close it. All right, Jeff, you are on, sir. The next one is, uh, consider off, no, a discussion, K, and possible action regarding policies and our ordinances related to registered sex offenders in the city of San Angelo. Oh, I didn't see you back there, G. All right. Our point on. What do I need to do here? Not driving, are you? Yeah. We're bringing forward some information for you to have, and as you consider a sex offender ordinance. We put together a small, powerful, so we can go through this and have our citizens see it. Basically, we're going to talk about some of the ordinances that we have and we don't have. Some policies, state law, and provisions for other ordinances in other cities. Currently, we do not have a ordinance that regulates the residency or activities of a

[3:14:58] wretched sex offender. We have never had one of those. What we did several years ago, I recognized that we had a large amount of sex offenders in our community at that time it was 120. So I came up with the program and we called it the SOAP program. sex offender accountability program and where each officer was assigned one or two sex offenders. We would then make monthly visits to those sex offenders. We would know where they lived, where they worked, what vehicles they owned, kids that lived in the neighborhood, those type of things. So we stayed on top of that and then we maintained intelligence. As we've got the numbers continue to grow with not without personnel growing, we decided to go quarterly to keep tabs on that. So we keep tabs on our sex offenders by checking on them quarterly now. So there's a little overview that we do. We have a field information contact cards. Those cards are inputted and so I can tell you every time a sex offender has been checked and when they haven't been checked. As I said, this is some of the things that are done when we have cases that we refer to the district attorney's office. It's roughly 30 to 35 cases usually failure to register would be those type of things that we present to them. Here's the definitions and some, we're going to talk about some ordinances now, but this is a sex offender, person who's required to register under CCP Chapter 62 as a sex defendant in the violation of the Child and the age of 17. Permises where children gather means a public part, playground, school, public swimming pool, recreation center, daycare center, video, arcade, or amusement park. Some ordinances will have all those in there in sum it may not. There's a little bit more on that the minor. There'll be someone under the age of 71. Child safety zone. You can see

[3:17:05] there's quite a big list of locations that fall under the child safety zone. An permanent residence is obviously where somebody resides. If they they have seven days of sex offender registered sex offender seven days to check in with our office and give us their new location after they've moved and have permanent residents. I will say at this time we currently have two that have to check in monthly because they are homeless or transient so they check in monthly. So the typical ordinances that you might find are something like this that would state it's unlawful for registered sex offender adjudicated for crime involving a person in the age of 17 to establish a permanent or temporary residence within X amount of feet of any premise where children commonly gather or you could use a child safety zone. Another thing is it's also in some areas some ordinances have it where it is unlawful for a person to let someone live at their residence, stay at their residence, rent if they are registered sex offender and they're within X amount of feet that's established by council. Here are some of the exceptions and affirmative defenses. Residents of an offender was established and constantly maintained prior to the adoption of the ordinance. So we see this where councils will put in place a new sex offender ordinance but those that already live within that zone are usually grandfathered and not required to move out of the residence. The offender is under the age of 18 is under guardianship of a permanent resident in a prohibited area. And the offender was a minor when offenses requiring registration was committed. You can see some of those there. Arlington also in their particular ordinance has an ordinance that states that the registered

[3:19:11] sex offender has the one of those registered sex offenders that the state requires that they check in every 90 days. So if you have one that does not have to check in but once a year they they don't fall on Arlington's orders, they do not fall into the ordinance. It's only those that are deemed that have to be within every 90 days. Now that being said, I've got to count on those. As you saw earlier, we're approximately 320, or I think it's what the number was, registered sex offenders in our community. You got 320, that being said, we only have 90 of the 324 locally I'm sorry, 44 locally that fall under that 90-day registration. So out of the 120, we have 40 that fall under that 90-day registration. Also, if you don't mind me, just interrupting real quick. Out of the 320 that you mentioned, we only have 20 of those that are on parole. So I believe that the other 300 are on probation. Did that be correct? And some of them may not even be on probation. They're just registered. They're registered sex offenders. So I don't have the numbers that tell you which ones are on probation which was on parole. They are required by the state or by the federal government to be registered sex offenders. And they, do they always stay a registered sex offender until they die? Sorry, I have to ask these things. I don't know. No, that's a good question. No, they do not. It depends on the type of sex offense and what their penalty was or their punishment was. Sometimes they do get lifetime bans, sometimes they get or bans. Sometimes they get lifetime registration, sometimes they do not. because you were quoted in one of the media outlets as talking about, could you say alumni, what was your term? Alumni, yeah, and I used alumni as an example, and the example was every year that central high school graduates seniors, the alumni for central high school becomes bigger and bigger, until there's a number

[3:21:12] that is passing or dying off. So when we look at the sex offenses, And that's, this is a good time to talk about this. When we look at the registered sex offenders in our community, a few years back, I saw that the number continued to increase despite our program. Now mind you, most of the sex offenders comply with our SOAP program, but we have a lot that don't like it. And so we thought that that would be reason for them to move it. Instead, we continue to see the number increase. That being said, there's a couple of reasons. We believe that we have an MHMR here. Obviously, we're centrally located. We don't have a lot of major cities around us. We also have several or a large amount of halfway houses where the people that can be released from parole or probation come to our community. Actually, we don't. The halfway houses that we do have will not allow them to because of the special conditions that state that they can't be around children or what we just were discussing, the ordinance of the feet from the school or where children gather the child safety zone. So actually it's very few. Do you know how many we have? On parole or at the halfway houses. There's like we have that I know of that they were talking about was three. Yeah, we have one more than that. Okay, well the ones that we get that this that the parole office usually got were from the state. I mean from the cities that they were coming from. and they would ask to be placed in these three popular apparatus, and we would always deny them for that fact, that either they could not be there because children were there, or they lived around them. They lived close by there. Yeah, so you still have that safety zone. That being said, the alumni part is, you know, when sex offender programs started many years ago, we continuously add to that number. So that number continues to increase. We haven't seen a peak so to speak in it. No where it starts coming up and I will say though

[3:23:17] I think this is important to say that the majority of the sex offenses that we have in our community are against children Yes, you you could Right in those type of things, you know, I will say I will say that in our community. We do have those Not many cases, but we do have those cases where we had someone that was say 17 or 18 Having sex with a minor someone under 17 and in years past and and the parents would Get upset and file charges and later on and we want to know of one case particular where we had that happening It was a 17 year old boy the 14 year old girl now. They're married have a happy family, but he's always gonna be a registered sex offender We we looked at ordinances a few years back we presented it to our density attorney who recommended that we sit on it pending the litigation with with this basically this was a registered sex offender who lived in the city of Louisville the Louisville Ordinance basically moved everybody out if you were a registered sex offender you weren't living in the city limits the way they did it and so he filed a lawsuit initially the court said that he did not have any standing in the city creating ordinance it went back or he appealed it and then the the appeals court sent it back saying he did have standing. So currently we're waiting to see what that results going to be. Tracy, you have anything to add on that? This report came back and they upheld the restrictions that the city had passed. But in October, Duarte appealed to the Fifth Circuit.

[3:25:17] So that's going to be an ongoing case. Interesting fact was that ordinance was passed in 2008 and is still being litigated. So that's how long these things take. We have looked into trying to bring that number down quite a bit in ways to do it. No ordinance was one thing that we began studying a few years ago and actually created an ordinance that we provided to the city attorney. I don't know where it's at now, not this city attorney. Most cities have a program like SOPR's that- No, that's something that I decided to do here. Now I think since we've implemented, some cities have adopted a program similar to SOPR. But at the time, what really came forward to me was DPS, who used to monitor our sex offenders, had officers that went out and handled the sex offenders, and would visit with them. Well, at the time, we had 100. DPS got rid of that program, and when they got rid of that program, I felt that the need to monitor their existence in our community who fell on with my shoulders, and so we implemented the SO program. The reason I put this on here, it was brought to my attention by a constituent, but I do know that in 1999 I did a study a survey, especially in particular with registered sex offenders, residential living, apartment living, and what the policies were with the state. And, coincidentally, what Tom Green County, how many registered sex offenders were in Tom Green County. I was very, very surprised to learn that Tom Green County was 17th in the state for the most registered sex offenders. Now, what I did was took a map of San Angelo and blew it up on a great big card, about as big as that TV screen, and put a schoolhouse, a little schoolhouse on each location

[3:27:18] where the San Angelo had a schoolhouse, where they had a rest home nursing facility, a park, and a school, well a school house park and yeah. Then I went back and put all a red pen everywhere that there was a registered sex offender and then I did the overlay of where that ended up and where they lived just blew me away because it was mostly right across the street from or just within a few feet of a school or a park. At that particular time I couldn't get much traction from the city as the city manager at the time felt like that that was the state's responsibility, not the city's, or at least the county's responsibility. And in lately in finding out that was, at that time, there were 540 something registered sex offenders in Tom Green County. And now, St. Angelo, the 2014 census of 97,492 has 347 registered sex offenders. League City, with population of 94,403, has 27 registered sex offenders. Lewisville, with a population of 102, 889, has 39. And the difference in those three cities, the difference is St. Angelo does not have an ordinance against registered sex offenders. I'm not in particular want to be like other cities that have an ordinance or anything like that. What I don't want is that one case, that one case where you or one of the officers went out and inspected and talked to that person who is sitting on the school ground in a swing watching the little boys and girls play. But you couldn't do anything because he hadn't committed a crime.

[3:29:21] I don't want that one case to turn into a crime because the police officer could do nothing other than take his name and address in any changes in his appearance. You can do nothing at this time. And I felt it worthy enough to listen to the rest of the council to see what their views and their opinions would be is to maybe moving the city forward, the staff forward and asking staff to work with you and some others and possibly coming up with an acceptable ordinance for the City of St. Angelo. That's what my request is and I wanted to hear from the rest of the Council and in public opinion. If it's okay, I'll finish my presentation so that we can see and then I'll answer some questions or stuff. In regards to what you're saying, I can't, I can't say why Lewisville or Leak City have a small amount. I would have to know what their sex offender numbers were before they implemented that ordinance and when they exactly they did implement that ordinance. Before I could say that that ordinance actually made an impact. The impact that again most ordinances grandfather those sex offenders that already live there that have a establish a residence. So maybe they maybe they've been steady at that number for a long time. But again I don't know what the number was before. Were they 200 before and because of the ordinance they decreased to 30 something? I don't know but that would be good information to know. And I think you would have a better sense of of what effect the ordinance has. Now obviously we find a registered sex offender that's in violation of the law. We would take necessary actions. We would do an investigation presented at the district attorney's office to determine whether or not we're going to follow charges. But as far as the ordinance goes, you see that there's buffer zones and those zones are something that the council would need to decide whether it's 500 feet, 1,000 up to 2,000.

[3:31:21] I think 2,000 is one that we saw. I don't know. It was Lewisville 2000. That's why it moved every 1500. It was pretty significant. And then you have to decide on what places you're going to restrict them. Are you going to restrict them for movie theaters or bow and alleys? then what exemptions or exceptions should be included. Now, here's a buffer zone. If you were to put a 500-foot buffer zone for registered sex offenders from, you can see what we did. We put sport fields, schools, parks, public and private schools in-home daycares. So basically it was daycares, parks were located in schools. Those are basically the ones that we implemented. and we had city GIS to do this, okay? So that's 500 feet, there's 1,000 feet, so you can start beginning to see where the limitations are, where these people are gonna be able to live. And I say these people are registered, six printers will be able to live. Looks like, or Southtown Lakeview area right there. Paul Ann, and the South part of town pretty much. So then when we go to 2000, pretty much the only place they'll be able to live will be Pauline and Bentwood. Oh, those are things that I wanted to present to the council and this is what we're gonna recommend. We just need a direction of what you want and we'll work on it and you need to give us some specifications and this is something that you, as a council, we need to decide what buffers you want, what exceptions you want, whether you want a grandfather people or not. I will tell you that I'm fearful that if we don't grandfather people that already establish residency in our community, and I don't mean temporary residency, I'm permanent residents, people that have bought their homes and have lived there for quite some time, we will face significant amounts of lawsuits if we don't handle that problem.

[3:33:22] Is there anything you want to add? I think one thing that we have to consider when we look at these ordinances is that if you look through the cases or you look through ordinances, all of those zones, all those distances have been and found to be acceptable in certain circumstances. So we can't say, well, in Lewisville, they had a 1,500 foot buffer zone. So that was upheld by the district court, so we're just gonna adopt that. We really have to look at what that does and the amount of housing that's left for these people to live. The courts have found that there's no fundamental right to live wherever you want, but there is a fundamental right to live somewhere. So we can't just completely, you know, kick them out of the city. the Duarte case, I think there were nine houses available to that family when that dad was going to be coming home. And of those nine, six of them were in prohibited places. Of the three that were not in prohibited places, two of them were bought before they had an opportunity to make an offer. So it left one place for them to consider, and that was going to be next to a proposed day care. So the city couldn't tell them they could buy that house. So essentially they they were left without any places in that case. We would really need to look at, if we're gonna do, for example, this 2000, which is on the screen, in those areas that are left, what are the housing options available in those areas? Now right now, the, or what the parole officer's going by is 500 feet, so they do not approve any plans, that is within 500 feet of the child safety zone. And what they've always wanted to do was at least raise it to 1,000, that they would turn down a plan if it was within 1,000 feet. How the rules work with parole, and if we move forward, I think somebody from parole and probation being here to speak it, what they do would be a good idea, but is their rules say it's 500 feet unless the city ordinance is a bigger distance. And so if it's a bigger distance, they have to abide by our distance and their parole can be revoked based on our distance, not the 500 feet.

[3:35:22] At least at present, it's a 500 foot radius. For people on parole? And this map, I think, is, or this graphic is very interesting in how it begins to eliminate large areas of the center city. I want to go back to your recommendation, though. I started looking at this years ago and, uh, discussed it because you recommended it, but in all of your experience and your networking, what, I know you have people on your staff because I've had a lot of texting, emailing, I'm messaging going on. There's a lot of people that are very worried about this because being in law enforcement, they're also worried about those that are complying with existing laws and living a good life, being a good citizen without being further discriminated against and then you have the parents who want us to do something and they think we're not doing enough. This is the new most difficult issue that I've faced since I've been on the council, but I would like to hear more about what you personally feel about this. I understand where the officers positions are, and I support their thought process. Obviously, when we arrest someone, the purpose of them going to jail and prison is rehabilitation. and so if we see someone and again my officers have direct contact with the fender that they're assigned and most officers will tell you that their fenders are in total compliance and in their minds believe they will not

[3:37:24] re-offend some officers even go as far as saying this person got the role into the stick because mom and daddy knew that they were having sex and then when they broke up, or the parents got mad at the boy, they decided they'd rent false charges. And they become registered sex offenders. And so we have numerous cases like that. So those two are the people that will be affected by creating this type of ordinance. You know, like I just showed you a little bit ago, about 30 cases a year are the ones that we send for a failure to register. And it's not normally any other violation than failure to register. will tell you that we've presented cases to the District Attorney's Office for failure to register and our officers are very good with this what they go out and they make an attempt to find their sex offender. They go 30 days can't find their sex offender then they write up a report and they send it to CID. CID will then do an investigation quick investigation because patrol officers done most of it. We'll present it to the District Attorney's Office to determine whether or not they want to file charges. And we've had many cases denied, even though it was failure to register by what they're required to do, but the case was denied because it was one of those cases where a 17-year-old was having sex with a 15-year-old, parents knew it was going on, and then you got mad at file charges. Those cases, the district attorney's office will not take for failure to register. We need to be very careful that we're kind of looking at if reached out to us are worried about pedophiles. I mean, you're talking about a decrease in the broad category which you point out can have a lot more in it that may not be what we're really trying to target here. Like I said, you know, looking at the

[3:39:29] numbers and the sex offenders several years ago, I made it a point to review all sexual assault cases that come through. I'm always concerned that we're going to have a serial rapist, and it's important that our public know about that, but most of the cases that come that are written, most of the reports, are sex crimes against children, and they're usually bi-relative. And a distance like this has nothing to do with that because it's usually in a home. I'll quit, but I think that- No, no, you're making some very valid points. These are things that as a council, you need to think about. I've called your staff and I've asked a bunch of questions, but I think in the end, what we're all, and everybody's gonna have their chance, I think what we're concerned about is a predator somehow addressing that kind of behavior using some other tool that right now we may not have or something behind, in addition to the 500 feet. But I think it's a predator that falls into these categories as you say and is living right and following regulations and is trying to reenter the society in a very positive way and is doing so. I will say that that one of the significant successes that the SOAP program has presented for our organization was that prior to this many times throughout a school year we would get a call of a suspicious vehicle by school somebody watching somebody touching themselves exposing themselves those type of things. Since we implemented the SOAP program I can think of one time that we've had that case that occur. Those calls very very very seldom come in and when they do we already know who it is unless they're not a registered sex offender. So that has been a significant success with that program. The program is not necessarily the only answer again as we continue to see the

[3:41:30] the numbers grow without increase in staffing that that workload gets a little heavy when the officers used to be able to handle, you know, one sex offender and now they're handling three apiece. Other? Yes, Tim, if we pass an ordinance, does that mean that that would be enforced in municipal court? Yes, I'd also like to add to that though that if they are on parole that it would be a parole violation and so it can be that you go back to jail, providing our ordinance if they're on parole. If they're on parole. But only if they're on parole. Somebody asked a question, and I'm looking at a registration form for the sex offender, length of time, or the duty to register, ranges from lifetime, 10 years after their release, when they're released from prison, at discharge. Sometimes when they're off paper, is what we call it, 15 years, 25 years, or never. And so you've got, and then the verification times, they're either required to report annually on their birthday every 90 days or every 30 days. Got one more question, maybe for you or Theresa, I'm not sure. So if you have a registered sex offender that, again, is following all the rules, checking in, doing everything, it's my understanding that they can maybe go to school. They meet their child and have lunch, like the rest of the students. My research showed that they can do that after a certain period of time on supervision, I think it's two years. So if they've gone two years and they're meeting all their requirements, and I think if they're not like those class one sex offenders, then they are given permission to do that for family activities. And of course, you have to give your ID and say ID checks everybody's background. So they would also make a determination whether someone is permitted to be on campus or not. My point is that in the in-parents

[3:43:30] have to be very careful with their own children and not expect the community to be the parent, that there are certain situations that we may not be able to change by this ordinance. One thing I'd like to add regarding Arlington Ordinances, they do have that anybody who beats the 90-day requirement, or I'm assuming the 30-day requirement as well, they have to abide by their ordinance. What the 90-day requirement is, is that if you have two or more offenses, then you have a 90-day check-in period. So those are those more likely to reoffend types of people. I just have one other thing to say is I'm not really interested in promiscuous teenagers. That's their parents' jurisdiction and problem. But when we're talking about children, I'm sorry, Chief. I've got a real problem about caring where a sex offender lives as long as it's as far away from the small children and where they play go to school or walk home from school. I don't I don't want them living in that close proximity and by establishing so many feet is a buffer zone. Does that extend out into the county? Does your jurisdiction then extend does that extend out into the county because by your you know I understand our ordinance only is within the boundaries of the city limits. The property, the city limits law, where there is, okay. Would not extend, and I'm supportive of your position. Don't think I'm being argumentative or don't think this is a good idea. What I'm saying is, is that I don't think, Lisa will probably say, may argue with me on this mission, may support me. I don't think you can arbitrarily pick which sex offenders you're gonna be allowed to do ABC or D. I think when you ride an ordinance like this, it has to be general. Or we will be sued and we will lose the lawsuit and so when you in turn make an

[3:45:34] ordinance like this as generals it will be will affect those people the promiscuous teenagers those type it will affect every registered sex effect in our community so it's something that the council has to come to balance with. I do agree with him that there is an equal protection argument that can be raised if we start creating classes of people as far as those people who are the promiscuous teenagers, there are provisions where they can go to court and get released from those restrictions, but it's pretty limited. I think there can be no more than four years age difference. The victim can be no younger than 15, and it had to be a consensual encounter for them to be able to qualify for that kind of relationship. The law has changed in recent years because it has recognized those instances, so there's defenses to prosecution as well and that's if the three-year difference in once 17 and they have to be above the age of 14 or 15 something like that. If I have the opportunity to try and provide you with the tool in your toolbox before a crime is committed, I want to do that. Rodney, first of all I want to say that I am in favor of increasing it's at 500 feet right now. Only only for those that are on parole or probation. Okay. Only those. Well I want to increase I myself am in favor of increasing that but I do have questions on several things when I want to hear real estate. This is this something that comes into my mind because of what I deal with daily. How is a realtor going to bring that up to someone when they're selling properties to them? Are they going to have to start asking are you a registered sex offender. Well I think if you if you had the ordinance if the ordinance says that you cannot sell rent or rent or allow someone to live in a home or you're in violation of the ordinance as well then yes then the realtors would would would have to before they sell the house determine whether or not that person was

[3:47:35] what if the person lies to them I think that the duty would be on the person and it's selling the home, leasing the home, reading the home. There's a register you can go check and see. We've got them all online. That's one thing that I would really want to study hard. And because I don't want to put a undue duty on somebody that's not a professional in that and having to determine whether this is a good person or not, a bad person when we're looking at them as a whole is really, we only look at them as can they buy it or can they not buy it. Totally understand. And so the next thing that I would ask is, when you said registered daycare facilities or home daycare facilities, what would happen if you had a sexual offender that moved into an area, a tiny area, there would only be a tiny area, and then a lady or some person down the street wanted to open up a daycare and opened it up? How would that come into point? I would think if the, and this is just an opinion, but I would think if the offender already established residency there prior to that and they they would be able to maintain their residence. And what what we're dealing with here and what we're talking about possibly doing it's not going to come into effect for all the people to 320 something that are here right now, correct? Oh it will. So they're gonna have to move out a little bigger. No you can grandfather those. That's what I'm saying. Yeah but any any any ordinance will I mean it's gonna affect what a few of them. You're talking about even the ones that are just, they've discharged their off paper, but they're still a registered sex offense. If they're required to register, if they are required to register, if they're off paper, they've done their time. They still. But they have a lifetime or 25 year, they are in the soap program and those are the ones that we watch. Looks to me like what you've got is working. If we go to 2,000 foot, we're going to shove all of them in just a few little portions the town and that's that's not what we want there be a happy medium there and

[3:49:38] you've got 500 foot and a thousand foot I know that's not even a quarter of a mile thousand foot's not even a quarter of a mile me though something is better than nothing I would rather have a thousand I think we've got something I think that I think that you don't have a city no there's a city doesn't have anything doesn't well we have a policy well we have a program that I which I know that some officers don't like doing so if I was to lose the next election then you could have a Chief actually come in and say we're not doing that program anymore. But even at a thousand foot look look you're putting all of them on the periphers of the city you're completely taking away the heart of the city to even be able to live. I Mean I'm not too worried about their rights at this well I'm worried about I'm talking about the rights of the people that already live there I mean if you've got your people on the edge and all of a sudden you make it impossible for a sex offender to live in the Middle of the city they're gonna have to go through the periphery and you're putting those people on them I mean those people have some rights as well move to another city I would like I I actually would like to hear the the study You said it perfectly did it affect after they did the ordinance did it take the numbers down? Because those numbers that that Charlotte told were very very low for cities that were very very close to the same size as us And there's a lot of denominators that we need to consider, you know, do those cities have an MHMR, you know, those are some of the things that we would have to look at as well as we go through that process. It's not, it's not apples to apples, so we have to get as close to apples to apples to determine whether or not one of these ordinances actually works or not. We need to hear all that information in order to make a good decision. I'm definitely leaning on putting an ordinance in place. I would like to have an ordinance in place of some sort. I don't know what the footage would be. But I would like for us to very thoughtfully take our time on this and get it right the first time. And there's just a lot of issues that are involved with the property side of it where I have the most questions on.

[3:51:46] have contacts in both those cities so I can look at that would be great follow up with those and it just seems odd that that's those are you know cities our size and such a big difference I mean you know and maybe Lucy maybe you have a better sense of why we get so and it's not mind you it's not just sex offenders that gets released to this community we have an enormous amount of releases that are released to Tongering County and I don't really have the answer as to why I've tried to get the answer but I don't always get in the answer that I've always gotten is you have halfway houses that they will come in and out and abundance of free services this feels also in the Metroplex so they're in the middle of them and we're not we're an island now and that that's also a big difference League City is also in that an area down there where there's a lot places to live a lot of different cities they're going out though what they're pushing them out which I push in there you know are they pushing them out or are they just going to live closer to the centers of cities? We're assuming that. Let me find out if they're pushing. We don't know. Because if the ordinance itself decreased the numbers, then you're possibly going to have successes. But again, the only thing that I can recommend, mind you, I don't like pedophiles and I just assume they never get out of jail. But the way our laws create it, the way our Constitution is written. If they pay their dues and they do what they're supposed to do then then as an American citizen they have that right and so my job is to be a guardian of democracy and make sure everybody has their constitutional rights until the government changes that and says once you're convicted felon you don't have any constitutional rights then we get something different. So we can we as a board can make an ordinance that says that we want this if that is what happens and we will enforce it. Like I said we've had that five hundred feet for a very long time. State only if your city that's

[3:53:50] why well I know but the way we did it before is that's what we went with was because we didn't have a city ordinance we went with five hundred feet so we're to increase that that's what the office would go and if it was a thousand feet they would not be approved if I'm a left area idea right there might not get any more like creating an ordinance with a thousand or two thousand feet. They may just quit coming. They may quit being released to our community. And it would not matter if the family lived here. I'm hearing consensus is to bring us back something and do a little research and bring us back some information we can. Yes, yes. But that is the consensus I'm hearing from the Council. We'll open it up to public comment for anyone who'd like to speak to this. This is your opportunity. Hi, my name's Ginger McGregor and I am the citizen here in Tom Green County and I live right here in San Angelo. I've been living here for 26 years. It's really hard to put a put aside personal feelings, but I am. What I'm hearing is that it's a choice between moving people out, keeping sex offenders out versus the safety of the children. And just like Chief Bosquez just stated, sex offender, that's two words, but it describes so many different things with each individual. My heart is just because your sex offender doesn't make you a pedophile. I've lived a whole different ball game with others and speaking up for them who are not pedophiles, who have had the other side of the thing happen to them.

[3:55:50] And we're talking about families. You're not talking about just, okay, so you have a sex offender, they're married, they have children, there was no court order saying that they can't live with their children, they can't be married, they can't go to work. There's none of that, that's the city ordinance. But I'm hearing a city ordinance, you're trying to come in and say possibly that we're gonna just make them leave the city of St. Angelo when that is, they've got a job, they've been trying to do what they're supposed to do, they've got their families. There's, you know, once you go before a court and the court gives you what you're gonna do for your offense and you live out that offense, right or wrong if you're being corrected in a prison you're going to a jail or if you're having to come back to your community and live in probation and you're doing and you're abiding. That right there needs to be noted and that's worthy. We need to be applauding the people who are doing right instead of always just looking at the wrong, you know, and putting everybody in this big old bowl and saying, well, they're all sex offenders. They all got this leprosy and we need to put them outside the community. That's completely wrong. You're talking about jobs, where they work, because people who have been to jail and if they carry a felony charge on them, where are they getting their work? Where are they gonna work? A lot of it is in landscaping businesses and other things as well. Where the landscapers work, homes. So if you put the ordinance out, not also is it just real estate, then you're saying, well you can't work either. Then what are you gonna do? You don't want them to have freebies, handouts in our community, but you just stop them from being able to work and being productive. I oppose that. I believe that some of the things that I'm hearing And like Ms. Farmer, I'm looking directly at you. I used to rent out of rock apartments back in the time frame that you put that up there. And at that time, I had no part of anybody

[3:57:51] being in trouble and sex-offending. But that just, to me, it made me feel really funny. In one sense, because are you shaming? Are you wanting to embarrass people who have had this issue? Are you really wanting to bring safety to the community, is it about somebody seeing you as you're taking a strong stand against something and you want to be noticed that way, I'm opposed to this and this is the way I'm doing it, or you really care about the person, or the families, or the children as you stated. You asking me a question? I'm just, I'm just speaking it out. How I felt when it first came in and my first approach when somebody put something up like that, I had my children at that time, you know, and it does make you kind of go, you know, who is living around about me, but what about the murderers? What about the other people of committed crimes? What about the people who are pedophiles who haven't even committed the crime yet that you live next door to? What are you going to do? You can't stop everybody from doing wrong. But I think that San Angelo ought to be noted for being a community that is helping rebuild their communities and having a place where, no, people can't come in, they can get away with whatever it is that they're going to be trying to do, but we're behind them, we're supporting the system, we want things to turn around and we want things to be right. I don't think shaming and embarrassing and pushing people out of the community or people out of their homes, having to sell their homes or families have to be broke apart because you want to put this ordinance in place, you know, I disagree with that. So I'm just asking that the City Council take their time, and the Chief Police said much. He said right. And I just ask that you would take your time and consider everything, because lawsuits are, you know, people can't follow suit.

[3:59:52] And anyway, so I just want to encourage you that way to take your time and not pass something so quickly. Is there is there a way also that we could put the footage on because I think this came about from just one or two situations it all started with a person here that was near some schools correct where I think this first started and got into the public eye is there a way we could do the footage on the schools and do an overlap of that schools and public places like that, instead of the living part, have it stay away from not all areas, but you can bust it out. That is possible. But I want to clarify something, you know, when you're renting, if you have an application, there's a little box that says, have you ever been convicted of a crime? And that protects the property owner right there, whether they answer that question, true or false. When you're getting alone, there's the same little box, have you ever been convicted of a felony? I believe it is the box. And that protects the lender right there from pedophiles, and that's taking a strong stand and strong position. For me personally, I'm sorry, I don't have a bone of forgiveness for pedophiles, I just do not. So do I want them living in apartment communities, no, do I want them, you know, renting home in residential? No, I don't. Do I want them sitting on the fence at a school yard, or at the swimming pool, watching the children? No. personal position. I just wanted to make that clear. However, from an ordinance position, I want the city to do everything that it can do that is reasonable and legal to do the measures that they need to do to prevent, if possible. Bless the policeman's heart that went out and investigated someone watching a four-year old playing at a playground, and the next day that child comes back to play and is

[4:01:53] is abducted and disappears, nobody sees anything. I would hate to be that person that I couldn't have done something more to protect that child. And that's the reason I want us to look at it, the zones, what's reasonable, and what will be effective in our city. And I'm going to throw something out on this, because I don't think I'll be right. I can, let's just say we implement 1,000 feet and my ulcers constantly catch a violator sitting at the part in that zone, it's a classy misdemeanor, it's a traffic ticket, no matter how many times we catch them doing it. Let's throw them parole, right? Unless they're violating their parole stipulations, it's a classy misdemeanor, it's by ordinance, it's not not enhanceable. And the way I can, if I catch someone that is a peeping tom, which we have those around here, and I arrest him 10 times in one year, 10 times in the Class C misdemeanor. I don't work on that during legislation because that was one of the things I brought to Drew. I thought that we need to change that. But this is a city ordinance. It's a Class C misdemeanor issued a summons by two municipal court and it's not enhanced. That means every time if I catch this guy and I know he is a pedophile. He is not on parole. He's not on probation but he's a lifetime registered sex offender because he committed a crime, you know, whenever it was, he or she will, can be in violation of the ordinance as it's traffic ticket. But because you legally can do that and they look at it like continued harassment because you have the ability to legally do that they move on they move on if there's not a family tire connection to the

[4:03:55] city they'll move on which is fine with me possibly which is what they would do but yeah and to answer your question Councilman you were talking about the schools these areas that we pick right here when you look at that gray area the gray area is not where would be the area where the sex finish prohibited and those Those are the areas where kids wouldn't normally gather, schools, daycares, playgrounds, and sporting locations, and that's, so that's 1,000 feet, so that's where we're at right there. It encompasses those that you were asking about. You can go in and add more, you can go in and add a bowling alley, you can go in and add movie theaters, you can do whatever you wanted to do with the ordinance. I would recommend that you stay within the parameters of what the state has identified as a child safety zone. if you were to continue with the homes, I would recommend that. That's the thing. I mean, lawsuits grow. And there's multiple cities. We talked about this. There's multiple cities in the state of Texas right now that are involved in lawsuits with this situation, right? October, there were 46 cities that were sued. However, those were all general law cities, which means that they are regulated by the statutes of the state and they didn't have any authority to pass their ordinances. I think all but 13 of those have gotten rid of their ordinance and 13 are still remaining in those lawsuits. I have found two cities that are our size are comparable that one being Louisville, that are currently involved in lawsuits. They're homeroom. They're homeroom, yes. But it is, you know, it's always the same issue that they were treated so differently from everybody else that there's no place for them to live. There's no viable options. And so there was 40 something of those and all those cities took away their ordinance after the- Right, they weren't authorized under the state statutes to pass them. There's a Texas Attorney General decision that ruled that way, and then this advocacy group filed suit against all general lawsuits. That'd be part of what I'd want to be brought up again,

[4:05:55] because if we're going to take this down a rabbit hole and get sued, and cost city millions of dollars, when we could have possibly done this another way, maybe there's other ways to write the ordinance to take care of what the problems that we have now. You know who the problem is. Maybe there's another way to figure out how to take care of that. The other thing we need these halfway houses or whatever, I think that's one thing that we need to really be working on because it sounds like to me, that's what's attracting so many people here and not just the sex offenders but other people. And so that might be something we need to talk about it's a body to not allow any more of those within the city limits. I mean this Leslie Hines and recently January 9th I read an article that I believe was on San Angelo Live and the number of offenders was very alarming to me. I was born and raised here raising my family here and I guess I just assumed that if if you were a registered sex offender, there was some type of ordinance in place that would keep you from the schools, the parks, the daycares. That night, I shared the article with my husband, and as we were looking at the comments on social media, people were commenting that they wanted to start a petition. I don't know before this that I had ever even signed a petition, but my fear was that the person who started the petition would be so gung ho in one direction or the other that it would not gain the traction it needed to come here today. So that was my whole point of starting it. Was kind of a little more level playing field

[4:07:57] than some may have been that were leaving comments. The piece of paper that just went around to you, there's 514 signatures on it. My goal was to come here with 100 signatures today. so exceeded that. I was very shocked last week. My mother called me. She has lived in the same house for 31 years. And of course she knew I was doing this. She signed it. She let me know that the person living next door to her is actually a registered sex offender and she had just found that out that day. The house next to her has been a rent house for the past 30 years. That in and of itself was alarming, but the most alarming part is you can walk out my mom's back gate and you're standing in Unidad Park. So, when you're sitting on her back porch, you're actually looking over her fence line into the park, which would be true for her now neighbor. And this particular person's offense was against a child. It was, I want to say eight years ago, so it's not super recent. it did involve a child and now this person can sit in the comfort of their own backyard, watch children play, not that he is, he may be one of these members that has come back into society and is working and is doing his part, but if not he also has the accessibility to open his back gate and there are children right there that he could then lure into his backyard without ever leaving his property. Like I said, this gentleman could be perfectly kind, perfectly nice, but it's frightening. It's frightening to think that I take my child all the time to Unidad Park because we can run to my mom's house to use the bathroom instead of using a porta potty. And now I honestly would hesitate to do so if I glanced over and saw that gentleman sitting on his back porch. So my whole point of bringing this board was A, to start a dialogue and B, was also to find

[4:10:03] something that would be fair. I love this. This is great. I wish I could have done that. That's what I was looking for the other day. Because the 2000 feet you are, you're pushing them to Bentwood, to Paul Ann. I like the 1000 feet. I think it's good because they need to work and people aren't going to like what I say, that they have rights to, I just would feel better if they weren't sitting on their back porch watching my child play in the park. At the back of this was what I really wanted to find was how many of the fenders that live here right now committed their offense here in town or in Tom Green County, as opposed to somewhere else, and then they moved here. I was not able to find that information. I could find their shoe size, but I could not find where the original offense was committed. And the last two pages, data that you've probably seen in one form or the other, the second to last page shows the 10 cities that are closest in population to us. I believe these numbers were based off of 2014. A larger number is better. So, for instance, in Richardson for every 3,973 residents, there's one sex offender. And for St. Angelo, it's 277 residents for every one sex offender. The second page, looking at it from a different mindset, was if you're that parent who has an 18-year-old daughter who's looking to go to college, so you're checking out colleges, but you're also looking at the community around that college, I compared the 10 universities that were closest in enrollment size to ASU. And once again, our population compared to sex offenders appears to be the least appealing. I don't know that parents go that far into looking,

[4:12:03] but if they did, that would be an alarming number. Oh, I appreciate you all's time in discussing this. I would love to see an ordinance put in place, but one that is fair to the community, as well as the offenders. So, thank you all. Thank you, ma'am. Go ahead, further? Yes, ma'am. Leo, I live here in town. And you've seen me before, but I'm back. And I know that there's concern for human rights on both sides of the story, but I think the rights of our young people and children's safety far outweighs those of choices that people have made without regard to the safety of minors. I would like to know the statistics, and I don't know if you have this number, but for the registered sex offenders, what are statistics on repeat offenses? For those that are registered and following, do we have any kind of numbers on repeat offenses? I do not have those statistics available, but I can tell you as I could easily tell you that the number doesn't happen very often, not here in our community. Our officers, our detectives would be the ones working those cases, and we don't hear a lot. When we see a sex offense, if there's multiple victims, those multiple victims were violated all in one case or before the person was convicted. But we do not see a lot of repeat offenders. We have had a case before where we had a registered sex offender who then participated in online solicitation and brought a minor from another city in Texas. And we were able to make a case on that. That was one of a repeat offender that I couldn't remember. But I'm sure if I'm going to tell you less than 10 in the last year. So I am very for supportive of implementing ordinances.

[4:14:10] I it's just astonishing to me the number that has increased in the last 10 years in the population of sex offenders here. And you know, there's discussion on what has caused the increase of numbers. But if we're talking about grandfathering in those that already live here, we're reducing the likelihood of lawsuits against the city as well as preventing people from moving here because we have no ordinances in place and it's a safe zone for them. They don't have rules to abide by. So I think that's something to strongly consider. You're not trying to kick people out of a house they already own and you know they're following all the guidelines but it helps eliminate the possibility of people coming in just because it's kind of a free-for-all and they don't have to worry about it and I I think that that might be a middle ground that we could take. Thank you. Yes. One of the things that I want to add somebody mentioned earlier about employment, you know, currently being a registered sex offender is not a disqualifier to work for the city of San Angelo. So I couldn't tell you we have any employees that do that. Obviously we wouldn't have any employees that are sex offenders working at recreation, but we very well may have some work in the street and bridge. Mary very well may have some working in parks. You must consider when you create this ordinance that those are things that you're going to have to look at. So for instance let's say we have a plumber in town who is a very popular plumber but is a sex offender and they're not allowed to go within certain areas. If there is a house that they want to work on or that they've won the bid and they're going to do the work on and it's within a thousand feet or whatever the distance, are we going to prohibit that person from being able to do employment in that area because of this? So those are things to consider as we progress.

[4:16:10] But again, I think the point I want to make is as far as the registered sex offender being able to work for the cities, they're everywhere and you may not even know who they are unless you get online and go to the PD website to look it up. So the employment thing is something to take into consideration. I will contact League City and Lewisville and determine if those numbers have increased or decreased because of the one that's, and I'll have that for you at the next meeting. There. If I could kind of piggyback on that in a similar direction, that is the possible impact to the productivity of police officers, if they are asked to spend a lot more time working in this type of issue. That we can expect to see a request for additional officers associated specifically with this initiative, if we end up with an ordinance which greatly increases the workload associated with it. Or we can expect to have less enforcement in other areas, but we're just, this group is just a few months away from beginning discussions about the budget. The budget folks are already working on that, and now is a good time if we're gonna need to step up in the near future, to begin thinking in those terms. 2019. That, yes, that doesn't include the 19 or 10 or 19, whatever he's asked for. We're all looking for a balance of some sort, risk, safety, rights. Clearly this is an issue that has your attention, probably is gonna, we're probably gonna see something come out of this initiative, And the question would be, do we want a quality result? And how do we want to pay for that? Do we want to pay for it in dollars, or do we want to pay for it in reduced enforcement in other areas? So I think your right balance is the key. Well, I think for me, and I agree with Rodney, I think there's some, of course, middle ground somewhere.

[4:18:10] But I want to see some statistics. I mean, we've seen some, again, which tempered out on the different media outlets that was very helpful, but if the vast majority of this is within a home or by a family member when we're talking about pedophile behavior, I'm not, I don't want to go, then I'm not sure what the value of the buffer zone is. And I'm not sure what the value is of him riding tickets that go to municipal court or are never heard in a district court and there's really no impact, I worry mostly about a false sense of security for our parents if we take some action like this. So, I mean, I'm very interested in finding something that makes San Angelo a safer place and also, again, is respectful of all concerned. But I need data. I mean, and so we will probably, Daniel, if we can Give you a list of the things that we'd like to see before we discuss it again, or kind of help with that, I think that would make the best use of everyone's time. Well, that's what I definitely would be wanting to get that information for sure. The small towns just don't have parole officers and things like that. They have to be released somewhere close. No, the parole office, they go to other counties. Like our parole officers here in Stangela, we cover 13 counties. So every county has probation, I mean parole officer. So that's not the reason. Small counties, the people go back home. They don't go to a bigger city or anything.

[4:20:10] They just go back and it's sad to say, but they might have committed the office. I'm very interested in knowing why we seem proportionally higher than other cities before we try to react. Right. Because they're in lies the root of this issue. I'm afraid. The knee jerk, this is gonna be something that's really well thought out. Yes, ma'am. I would like to close off the discussion. I think we have plenty of direction for staff to work on. I want to thank Ms. Simone Brooks for bringing this to the forefront to my attention. And when the agenda hit a Thursday publication, my phone has not stopped. I've talked to as many as I could, and a few that I didn't get back to in returning phone calls, but I think a lot of good has come from the conversation and that we've got a lot of direction and we can move forward sensibly. Thank you, Chief. You obviously had a lot of work at hand already. Yeah. Let's move on now to AIL, which is consider authorizing and you spend it to your up to and not to exceed $3 million in aggregate for rehabilitation and reconstruction design and surveying services for city streets and utilities RFQ number ESO415, in definite delivery, indefinite quantity, IDIQ for professional services. This is an increase from the September 15 to 15 city council meeting approving $1,000,000 Russell Pail. You have the floor, sir. Thank you, sir. Good afternoon, council and mayor. Yes, this is, and currently, just to give you an overview, this is an engineering IDIQ for the projects that were discussed by Shane earlier, the street and utility rehab. The current IDIQ contract that we have is for a three-year term with the option to renew for two additional years. Industry standards for engineering fees for this type of construction are typically in the range of five to eight percent of

[4:22:13] construction costs. Our anticipated engineering costs for streets and utilities over the course of this ten-year plan is approximately six to nine point six million, and that's five to eight percent of the overall 120 million dollars that we are looking to spend on these rehabilitation projects. Up front we did ask for a million dollars as a starting point to get started on these engineering projects, these capital improvement projects, with the anticipation knowing that we were going to have to come back and ask for additional funding. The additional 2 million will allow us to be able to design through our projects planned in years five and possibly into year seven which would be approximately 40 to 60 million dollars in projects and will allow for continuous design and letting of those projects. Currently we have about eight projects that that we have proposals on to do the engineering costs or to do the engineering on those projects. I have a list of them here. Shane more or less went over all of the years that these are gonna be leaded in his presentation or meaning when they're gonna be bid out for bid. It's the big number that we wanna look at is where we're currently at, our current proposals that we have in and projects that we're looking at, we're looking at approximately two million dollars in the design phase of those projects. The estimated construction cost of those projects is 43 million, and I'm so sorry, I kind of forgot to go over,

[4:24:17] but these projects will cover our year one and some projects will extend into year three and also into year nine. The reason for that is because of looking at Southwest Boulevard, part of that project will be let in year three and then in year nine as well. So we wanted to have the engineering firm go ahead and design the entire project so that we can go ahead and phase that out so we can, you know, the contractors can bid it accordingly. Right now, we're sitting at about 4.7% of engineering costs versus construction costs, which is below industry standards. We were able to accomplish that by working with our engineers, engineering staff will be doing some of the work in that we'll be working with them directly on the bidding and letting of these projects. So we were able to come down on some of those costs. Is this include, is this strictly straight, or does this include engineering for water? Yes, this is engineering for the complete rehabilitation of those projects. So it includes, you know, right away, right away, right away of streets, sidewalks, utilities, everything of that nature. Correct. And we will be working also working not only with our utilities but we working with the franchise utility companies and that agreement that we have with them to for them to be in our right-of-way back it up one how could the engineering cost on MLK be almost four hundred and ten thousand dollars this project actually excuse me actually Bell Street six hundred and eleven thousand dollars right this project is

[4:26:20] actually a little bit more than just the MLK project they'll be working with us on the actual grant for the sidewalk on that project and then also the bike trail that'll be extending from 29 or a long MLK from from 29th Street it'll extend down to 14th Street over to Chadburn or Oak Street and then also that portion of the grant will also be looking at rehabbing a the trail that goes from the real real concert sports complex more or less into the downtown area. This is just designed. This is not this is not one foot of concrete. This is just designed correct. That's correct. It cost us six hundred and eleven thousand six hundred and 94 dollars to design bail straight from old balancer to real concho. That's correct right this is basically this is basically giving us you know added insurance that these projects will be designed and built you know in accordance with city standards and specifications. Water and sewer right we have a large there's a lot of infrastructure in both of these streets, you know, there's a large truck made 611,694 for us to know that there's a sewer line under that street. And no, not to know how to to rehab it, rebuild it. That is to design. It's not to rebuild anything. That is to design. To design, I mean, you want a plan, you don't want to just go in there willy-nilly and and this and like when we hire an architect for whatever the city auditorium you know we pay 10% or whatever the cost so if you look at the cost of the project is estimated at almost $10 million on

[4:28:22] Bell patients at typical cost we pay that's reasonable. I sure wish you were an engineer. You know the Bible says it don't get frustrated going just because you got the wrong profession. The Bible says it depends on whose ox is being gored and I think that pretty well fits here. Do this right this time. These are a necessary cost, Mayor, I mean. Right, this is just added insurance for the, you know, that we're getting a good quality product out of this. Again, that was 4.7% of the total cost of five. Overall engineering fees that we have to date are at least the overall proposals that we have to date are approximately 4.7% of the actual estimated construction cost, which is well below the norm. Well, we have to, we have to do the engineering in order to do the streets and the infrastructure. I move approval. Motion to approve. We do have a second. Do I have any further council comments on this? Do I have public comment on it? Call for the vote. All in favor, please say aye. Put me down for a nay. Why does it surprise us that we're going to pay engineering costs when we went through that whole process of selecting? Talking about paying engineering costs. I'm called I am I'm concerned about the amount of the engineering cost so a percentage That's an industry standard. I voted against it put a one two three four five four Well, you didn't let me discuss it before we voted so I would have said the same thing You wish to say something rock on Russell Let's move on to M which is first public hearing and introduction in order to amend the 215-216 budget for capital projects. Ms. Chigwidden. Good afternoon. I have some items before you today, projects that have been

[4:30:22] approved that were needed to take action on to budget them. I'll start with the additional information in your background. The PowerPoint is in your background, the additional information that's in your background and the The cover memo is also available. The first item for consideration is the boat ramp project, as discussed earlier, presented by Carl. What's before you is $216,000, but with the options that we took earlier, that'll actually be reduced to the $180,000 needed to increase for that project. And of course, as Carl mentioned, that'll be funded with surplus hotel occupancy tax receipts. The equipment replacement is the next item there. That's routine equipment replacement for street and bridge and parks. We're able to fund 40,000 of that with insurance proceeds the remaining hundred and thirty thousand from the equipment replacement fund fund balance The next item there is the auditorium renovation and expansion This is related to our agreement with the National Performing Arts Council as approved by the council December 1st $1,350,000 in change in revenue and expense for that one just getting those funds in place in our budget So we can move forward with that project The next item there is the red or oil water supply project that's being funded through the type B sales tax that $92,000 is just the remaining reimbursement due to the city to finish out that project and that's as it's been discussed of the council in 2014 and 15 The next item there is related to street reconstruction We're gonna fund that as just as we took the reimbursement resolution earlier this meeting with the 2016 certificate of obligation

[4:32:23] which of course has not been issued yet, but we're going to go ahead and budget for that. What we're talking about budgeting is just the $3 million in revenue and expense related to Russell's presentation just a second ago. The last item before you is the police memorial through Citizen Donations. The 13,412 is the additional revenue that has been raised through donations, and this is in line with what the Council approved March 17, 2015. So the total expenses before you today are the four million eight hundred nine thousand six hundred seventy dollars. I mean council I mean it's moved to approve started as second it is there a council discussion on this discussion on this? No discussion on this mayor. Thank you. Okay. Is there public discussion on this item? Then I'll call for the vote all in favor please say aye. Aye. Opposed may put a 6-0-1 to please sir And in its first public hearing an introduction of an ordinance many chapters two Administration in personnel section 2.01.002, Co-operant Seal of the Code Deboardances by Substituting a Design and Providing for an Effective Date. Mr. Kendrick. Yes, Mayor Council, this is really just housekeeping. We've used the logo that we've had since 2003, but we've never adopted it as our official city seal. We currently still have the 1959 city seal on there. So this is just the housekeeping of adopting our current logo as our city seal. Move to approve the update as presented. It's going to cost $96. $95.92. How much is the engineering? They didn't break that out for me. That was a good one. Council comment, public comment. $94 of the engineering. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed may, put a 6-0 on that one. Okay, closed session, we have taken care of.

[4:34:25] Follow up at the administrative. 1959. All right, follow up at administrative consideration and possible action discussed in executive closed session. We have one item. This refers to the West Texas water partnership and our quarterly payment, which is due. This is the city of San Angelo, the city of Abilene, in the city of Midland that work in the partnership to find long-range water. Our portion of the quarterly payment is $30,175.93. I will entertain the motion to approve. Move, approve. I will entertain the second, good motion. Second. We have a second. Ms. Grindstad, I'll ask for public comment at this time. Also comment, yes. Council comment. This is. Council comment. We had talked about this before and this, Even if you use a roundabout number, it's going to be $120,000 for us a year so far that we've spent over the last several years on this and we haven't gotten anything out of it. We need to figure out, we talked about this up there, we need to figure out what we're going to do to try to make this happen. Something good out of it. I agree. Do I have public comment on this item? Call for the vote. All in favor, please say aye. Alright, consideration of approving various board nominations, number one, design and historic review commission, Terry Hicks, Terry Hux, SMD1 to a first full term ending September 217. Shall I just read all six of these and we make it in one motion. Number two is Ford Council Museum Board during Pinterest, SMD3 to a first full term ending January 219, James Dussek, SMD6 to the second term ending January 219 and Paul Monty Stanley from the mayor to the second term ending January 219. Number three is Parks and Recreation Advisory Board, Edward Dobson, SMD2 to the first term ending December 217, Cristina Woodward, SMD6 to the first term ending December 217.

[4:36:31] Number four is the Planning Commission, Heidi Meyer Brooks, SMD5 for the first first full term in the January 218. Number five is Public Arts Commission Quan Lee SMD 2 to a second term ending to April 217 Lori Franks SMD 4 to a second term ending April 217. Number six is the Zoning Board of Adjustments that he cunning him SMD 1 to a first full term in the January 218 Darren Fintress SMD 3 to a first full term in the January 218. Lewis Roark SMD 5 to a second term ending January 218, Fred Adams II, SMD-6, to a second term ending January 218, and Jim Turner, the mayor, to a second term ending January 218. Move to approve as presented. Second. Charlotte, and then we'll put Marty down in a second. Do I have council discussion on this item? Do I have public comment on this item? All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, nay. Put a 6-0 on it. Alrighty, we are now to the announcements, consideration of future agenda items, start with Ethan's grind staff. I think I had a future agenda item, Mayor, but I have forgotten it, so I will call the city manager and discuss it with him if I can remember what it was. Thank you. I'll be with you. Lucy? I have nothing. Ms. Charlotte. Well, I was going to ask for an update on the 19th Street sidewalk project. I guess we got that just a little while ago. Also, I've had several calls in the 3,500 block of Oxford with excessive speed and especially at Arthur and Oxford that there needs to be a speed limit sign and more monitoring of the speed if you could talk to someone at the police department would be appreciated. Also, in inspections from the construction department, I don't know who to call on that, But I did some driving around this last week in various new construction zones and the construction,

[4:38:33] the cleanup during construction is leaving a lot to be desired. We're talking about big concrete blocks in the street that were where the swing had missed around and started rushing out too soon and the contractor's not cleaning up the streets and it's a writing hazard, but the pallets for bricks and just rocks and the two of the newest streets in town or construction zones were pretty bad. If they could look at it, I would appreciate it. And Upton and Emerson Street's speed, getting lots of phone calls about speed. Other than that, I don't have anything for the next agenda. I would like to get an update on the red or royal hiking bike trail, the progress that we're doing and we're I want to see where that dog park is because if I remember right there's a lake where the dog park is right now I want to see what the what we're doing to fix that and how long how much longer are we going to be waiting for this project to be complete and I have nothing we'll yeah okay all in favor say aye Alright, it's three or eight, this meeting's over.

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