San Angelo City Council 5-3-16

[0:00:00] 838, time to get this show on the road when I was eight minutes late, so really making pretty good time. We're going to start off this morning with prayer. I'll ask for the Joe Hodges, the minister of the Robert Lee Bible Baptist Church to come forward and open us in prayer. Stand as you are able, please. Come forward, sir. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for having me here today for the opportunity. Would you join with me in prayer? Father God, we come before you this morning. Father, to thank you for the love and grace and mercy that you have for each and every one of us. Father, we thank you for this city council that you have called to serve the citizens of the city. We thank you God for this opportunity for them to gather and to meet and to take care of the needs of this city. Father, as they do, I pray that you would grant them wisdom and guidance. I pray God that all that is said and done by the council and in the whole meeting would be done in a spirit of unity and harmony and peace. Father, we lift up the needs for this city, specifically for rain. Father, we ask that you would continue to provide rain for this land, that you would provide abundant rain without calamity. Father, we ask that you would refresh us, bring water to our reservoirs and wells. And Father, I pray that you would just refresh this land. Father, for the remainder of the needs of this city, God, we pray that your hand would be over this city, that you would provide your blessing on it. God, we pray that you would guide the police and the fire and the city officials as they go about their daily duty serving the city. God, we pray that you would protect the citizens of this city. The Father, mostly for this meeting as we gather. Father, again, we thank you for this chance for them to gather. We pray that you would grant them the wisdom that they need. God, we pray that what is said and done here would be done in a way that even though it's civic duty

[0:02:00] would bring glory and honor to you. And God, we just thank you for this chance for them to meet. We lift up this time, we thank you for it, and we commit it to you in Jesus name. Amen. Take a picture. Bryce Carr, would you come forward, please, sir? This is Mr. Good morning, sir. This is Mr. Bryce Carr. He is a first grader at Wall Elementary, and he is going to allow me to assist him with the Pledge of Allegiance is to that. Ready? Put you right there. Pledge of Allegiance in the visible protection. Exist flag, I pledge allegiance to the Texas, one state under God. Let's take care of the state, buddy. Oh, my goodness. I couldn't be talk when I was in the kingdom, our first grade. We have some recognitions and some proclamations this morning. Let's begin with proclamation for the Blue's Club in St. Angelo. All of you Blue's Club's guys come forward. Blue's Club, Blue's Club, Blue's Club. Y'all got to wait. We get you. Good morning, good morning.

[0:04:01] Hi, young son. The St. Angelo Blue's Society Festival had its modest, beginning in 2009, has progressed in size from a couple 100 visitors to a crowd of over 10,000 guests in 2013. The St. Angelo Blues Society presents the 8th annual Simply Texas Blues Festival to further a submission of preserving and promoting the blues as a historically relevant art form, education of the public promoting our musicians and venues, and St. Angelo, Texas as a Blues Music Oasis. The day long may festival serve several purposes within that mission, namely, a competition to should select a band and solo duo act to represent St. Angelo with the Early International Blues Challenge and Memphis famous Bill Street, a fundraiser for the Society of Scholarships, local colleges and a free and family concert in historic downtown St. Angelo. The festival is brought statewide and national recognition to St. Angelo and its music scene acts and performed from as far away as Alaska and Canada as well as our wonderful local musicians. Our headliner acts now feature nationally internationally known blues artists. Our monetary support is awarded to deserving scholars at local colleges reaching over $38,000 in county. Therefore, I do make more as a Mayor of the City of St. Angelo, Texas on behalf of the City Council, do hereby proclaim May 14, 216, as simply Texas Blues Festival Day and urge all citizens to support this committed effort together we can work for a brighter future for our great city. Brother Hubbard, I'm giving and after you and you're the microphone, you boy. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mayor. We certainly appreciate this. We're so very proud to put this show on here for St. Angelo. We have some of the best talent in West Texas will come and perform. And some of our local talent this year, such as clever blue and coal shot are competing. So we've got some great acts. And also what I'm really proud to say is last year

[0:06:04] We gave $10,600 in college scholarships away. And our two top recipients are at ASU. And they are juniors, and now they should be seniors. But they both had 4.0 GPA's. So we're really proud to support these kids that are pursuing music at the collegiate level. And also this year, just want to remind you, bring your lawn chair. That's really important. And also our headliners this year, I'm really proud to say we've got Michael Lee band from Fort Worth, he is dynamic. And also we have an international blues competition winner in Memphis. Mr. Sip is our main headliner. And he is, if you've never seen him before, let me tell you, he's the real deal, awesome performer. Thank you very much, we really appreciate all the community support on this, thank you. Have a look back. Oh, yeah, as compared to other blue societies around the United States, ours is different from everyone's. Ours is free, totally free. You come and just sit and enjoy the music in historic downtown San Angelo, with the intersection of Tuig and Oaks, and you can sit there underneath the shade of the Cactus Hotel and enjoy some of the best music you will ever hear free. And we're really proud of that. Thank you, buddy. Let's get it big. Mr. Emilio Diaz Hernandez. Come forward, 4-5-4.

[0:08:08] Good morning, sir. Mr. Emilio Diaz Hernandez, artistically known as El Charo Diaz, began his singing career in 1950 at the K-E-B-X radio station with the manager, quickly gave him the name El Charo Diaz. For the next several years, Mr. Diaz traveled around Mexico, performing his songs. In 1963, El Charo Diaz immigrated to the United States, spending time performing in San Angelo, eventually traveling to San Antonio in 1968 to record his first album. In 1973, El Charo Diaz returned to San Angelo where he worked as a radio announcer at KSJT. At the end of the year, El Charo Diaz has decided to retire. His career has fanned 66 years, winning 12 awards, and is being the staple in the San Angelo Stock Show and rodeo parade. Therefore, I, Duane Morrison, Mayor of the City of St. Angelo, on behalf of the City Council, do hereby recognize and applaud El Charo Diaz for his dedication and positive determination for making a difference in our community. And there is that, and I'll give you or Johnny the microphone. Thank you, sir. The Charo wanted me to join him this morning, and, you know, like you said, he's been a sample of this community for years and has really embraced, or he wasn't born here, but he embraced in Angelo as soon as he could. He is put together a, he wrote a song for San Angelo, memories of his San Angelo, and he would love to perform it this morning. And he's got his guitar over there. It's, can you hear the language? It's funny. It's funny. It's funny. Oh, one of the almo chadrasas. It's over there. It's over there. It's over there. It's over there. It's over there. It's over there. It's over there. It's over there. I give you a better story.

[0:10:35] I give you a better story. I thank you very much. And in the immortal words of George Strait, I don't know what he said, but I liked the

[0:14:17] way he said it. We have a lot of culture in St. Angelou, and I'm proud of every citizen we have. Congratulations, sir. Need some police officers up here for this next one. I see a couple of chiefs back there. This is for Police Week. Good morning, gentlemen. You all right, Jeff? Team 62, President John F.K. Start over. In 1962, President John F. Kennedy signed a proclamation which designated May 15 as Peace Officers Memorial Day and the Week it falls as Police Week. This week is dedicated to pay tribute to those officers who have died in the line of duty and the San Angelo Police Department have a number of planned events to honor those who have made the ultimate sacrifice. The members of the law enforcement agencies of San Angelo and Tom Green County unceasingly provide vital public services and play an essential part in safeguarding the rights and freedoms of the citizens of San Angelo and Tom Green County. And it is important that all citizens know and understand the problems, duties and responsibilities of their law enforcement agencies and that members of our law enforcement agencies recognize their duty to serve the people by safeguarding life and property by protecting them against violence and disorder and by protecting the innocent against deception and the weak against oppression or intimidation. Now, therefore, I, Duane Morrison, Mayor of the City of St. Angelo, Texas on behalf of the City Council, do hereby proclaim May 15 through May 21 of 2016 as Police Week. And called upon all of our citizens and organizations of St. Angelo to observe this memorial occasion with appropriate ceremonies in which all of our people may join in commemorating law enforcement officers past and present who by their faithful and loyal devotion to the responsibilities have rendered the dedicated service to the communities. I further call upon all citizens of San Angelo to observe May 15 2016 as peace

[0:16:22] officers Memorial Day in honor of those peace officers who through the courageous deeds have lost their lives or become disabled in the performance of duty. Give all the proclamation and who gets to mind. Go ahead. I get elected. First of all I like to thank the mayor and the city council for for recognizing the the sacrifices that these officers have given not only in San Angelo but but throughout our nation. This year is especially emotional for San Angelo because this year we'll be honoring Sergeant Corbett Kennedy throughout our events and as you know, Sergeant Kennedy was a staple throughout our community and we can't forget that. As part of this year's Police Week, there will be a contingent of San Angelo police officers and Sergeant Kennedy's family will be traveling to Washington DC to mark the engraming of his name on the National Memorial, so that is something that we are quite proud to be able to attend. But not only that, throughout this week, we are going to be having a number of events and we would like to invite the public to come out to those events. On Monday the 16th, we will be having a flag-raising ceremony there in front of the police station as we always do, and we would really encourage the public to get out and attend that because this year is especially important for us to show our support for our police officers here And on Wednesday the 18th, there's going to be a fun run that it's a 5K and a one mile walk that's going to be held. You can check out our website for that information to join that. And we'd really like to have the public out there for that as well. And then on the 20th, we will be having an at communal service at one of the local churches. And the public is invited to that as well. that as well and that's a great way to forever want to get together and honor the police officers that serve your community on a daily basis. Again, thank

[0:18:23] you everyone and thank you St. Angelo for supporting your police station. Pan-American Golf, y'all coming forward please. Got a good representation here at the Pan-American Golf Association. It's good to see you gentlemen. The City of St. Angelo welcomes the Pan-American Golf Association. The Nationals Pan-American Golf Association has been existence since 1966. The National PAGA is established in nine states with forty-three chapters at a membership of only over 2,600. The San Angelo Chapter of the Pan-American Golf Association consists of 160 members. The chapter's goals are to promote education by raising money for scholarships, promote golf and junior golf through tournaments and promote community involvement by volunteering. The San Angelo Chapter of the Pan-American in Golf Association will be hosting the scholarship tournament in San Angelo, Texas on May the 14th of 2016. And this event marks the 50th anniversary of the San Angelo Pan American Golf Association. This celebration encompasses local efforts to raise money for our scholarship fund. These funds will be used to provide scholarships to graduating seniors in the San Angelo community. In the last seven years, the San Angelo Pan American Golf Association has awarded over $81,000 in scholarships. The goal this year is to give out $1,000 scholarships

[0:20:23] to 25 graduating seniors. Over 160 golfers will participate in this year's scholarship tournament. All the money raised in this tournament goes to supporting our local youth with college scholarships. Now, therefore, I, Duane Morrison, Mayor of the City of San Angelo, Texas. On behalf of the city council, they'll hereby proclaim May 14 as San Angelo Pan American Golf Association Day. And there is your congratulations and your proclamation and the mic. Thank you guys. Thank you, City Council, City of San Angelo, for you guys support to the Pan American. This is our 50th anniversary, as you can see, we're a very proud group, raised 25,000 this year. It's not bad for a bunch of golfers. And there are 160 of us, so you're lucky they didn't all show up today. This room would be full. But these guys are just a symbol of hard work that the Pan American is all about. A lot of people think we'll just play golf, but we actually do a lot of work in the community also. And we want to thank you guys from, I'm sure these guys from the bottom of their hearts. Thank you guys so much for your support of the Pan American. Thank you gentlemen. Thank you. Tony Reid. You guys ready? Come on up, Desti. Mr. Roe. Good morning gentlemen. How are you? Good morning gentlemen. How are you? Mental health is essential to everyone's overall health and well-being.

[0:22:32] Americans experience times of difficulties and stress in their lives. Prevention is an effective way to reduce the burden of mental health conditions. There is a strong body of research that supports specific tools that all Americans can use to better handle challenges to protect their health and well-being and mental health conditions are real and prevalent in our nation. With effective treatment, those individuals with mental health conditions can recover and lead full productive lives. business, school, government agency, healthcare provider, organization and citizen shares the burden of mental health problems and has responsibility to promote mental wellness and support prevention efforts. Now, therefore, I, Duane Morrison, Mayor of the City of San Angelo, Texas, on behalf of the City Council do hereby proclaim the month of May 2016 as Mental Health Awareness Month in San Angelo and Tom Green County. As the Mayor of San Angelo, I also called upon the citizens, government agencies, public and private institution, businesses, and schools in San Angelo and Tom Green County to recommit our city community to increasing awareness and understanding of mental illness. The steps our citizens can take to prevent their mental health and need for appropriate and accessible services for all people with mental health conditions. Dusty or Greg, which one gets there? Both of those two gets to my phone. Have the two guys buddy. I'm my name's Dusty McCoy. I'm with West Texas Counseling and Guidance. I'm the executive director and thank you for the proclamation for mental health. One thing that was a recent study with a local study from Methodist Healthcare Ministry and the San Angelo Health Foundation found that the majority of the poor believe that there is no access to mental health with regards to cost and transportation and that's not true. We have a sliding scale that goes to zero. We are in the community and the poorest parts of the community, Lakeview, Rust Street and

[0:24:35] downtown as well as the rural community. So please spread the word that there is access to mental health services and that sliding scale does go to zero. We do not turn anybody away due to the inability to pay. So please just spread the word that there's mental health services available. Thank you. Great. Well, thank you. I just wanted to share a couple of things. Justin McCoy with West Texas Counseling has been a great partner with MHMR. And MHMR is, this is our 50th anniversary of being a community center in the Concho Valley. And I wanted to share a letter that we recently received from a patient. I'm not gonna give any names or anything like that, but it will take me just a second if you will let me read this. He says, Dear Kristi, I know you haven't known me very long, but I went through 25 years of mental illness, depression, anxiety, and bipolar. I was really sick, too sick to accurately know all I went through, but somewhere around three to four suicide attempts and seven to eight hospitalizations. I came to San Angelo and I believe here and today because of the grace of God. I used many things, medications, doctors, therapists, hospitals, et cetera. When I started MHMR, I had to come once a week to get my meds because I couldn't be trusted with more. I would take too many. I wish to thank a lot of people there, and she lists everyone from nurses to doctors to clerical workers. She says, please share this with them. Thank you for what you and everyone there does on a daily basis taking care of the mentally ill. I know I wasn't always easy to deal with as are with many people with mental illness. But we need to take that we need the care and we need you in HMR. Thank you to all you do for your care for I know your job is a thankless job.

[0:26:39] God bless you richly for all you do and she's just sincerely a lot of times it is a thankless job that we have and we get these we really cherish that. I just wanted to share that with you a little bit about the difference that we do make in the community. I want to thank the City Council and the City of San Angelo for their support of MHMR and I thank you as a community, thank you for the proclamation and recognizing this month. It's a very special month to us. Thank you very much. Brian. And that's Greg Rowe and Dusty McCoy and they are very instrumental in MHMR and Mental Health in San Angelo. I have one more here this morning. That's you, Dale. Good morning. The month of May is National Historic Preservation Month. The National Trust for Historic Preservation established this year's theme, preservation in the United States, 50 years old. Downtown San Angelo Inc. has been a vital organization, promoting the preservation of history, culture, and buildings in historic downtown San Angelo, Texas. The city of San Angelo has supported the efforts of downtown San Angelo, has supported the efforts of downtown San Angelo Inc. In its endeavors, which have fostered economic development, preserved its history through promotional activities and preserved the integrity of its historic structures and architectural integrity. Downtown San Angelo Inc. has been an integral partner with the city of San Angelo in advocating tourism in the central business district.

[0:28:40] Downtown San Angelo Inc. has received the 2016 National Main Street accreditation for the last eight years in a row, a mark of success in this community commitment to preservation. Now therefore, the Wayne Morrison, Mayor of the City of San Angelo, Texas, on behalf of the City Council, do hereby proclaim the month of May 16 as Historic Preservation Month in San Angelo, Texas. They'll have a few words, sir. Thank you. Appreciate everybody's support for maintaining and preserving the history and culture and the riches of our downtown district. This month, we're celebrating that preservation effort. everybody who comes down to work or play in the downtown district is supportive of those initiatives as well as the property owners, the entrepreneurs who establish their businesses. They all contribute to the welfare of our organization and our efforts to maintain and preserve our history, culture and historic district. Thank you so much. And there is one other recognition which did not make the agenda this morning, but I just want to make a mention about it. This is also nationwide the civil service recognition week where we recognize those people that have dedicated themselves to civil service to a service and to recognize them whether it be state or city or county or federal

[0:30:46] and our military. This is a week that has been designated as civil service recognition week and I did want to make that no. It is now time in our agenda where we allow for public comment. Let me read the legalities here and then I will open up the floor to anyone that wants to approach the city council and any comment whatsoever. Items or issues under not on the agenda may be raised by the public at this time. Citizens should speak from the podium began by stating their name and limit three marks to less than five minutes. Council members may request that the discuss item be placed on the future agenda. The council takes public comment on all regular agenda items during discussion of those items. So at this time if there is anyone in the audience that wishes to approach the City Council, anything pro con good or bad, this is your opportunity. State your name and you've got three. Very Thomas community volunteer Just want to remind folks today is the last day of early voting Saturday is the election Just a couple of comments as I've gone around and visited with citizens over these last couple of months Generally the citizens of San Angelo are very very interested in what this council does I have a few specific issues that I'll talk with the department heads about but I will say overall the community really really wants to wants to have input with their council people. So we'll continue to do that. Thanks. Thanks, Harry. Anyone else care to approach? Public comment. Mayor Winky Wardlaw asked that he would be able to speak during public comment. Winky, if you want to speak, this is your time buddy. I'm

[0:32:46] sorry I didn't understand you said it's different. Gotcha. Do I have any other further public comment at this time. If not, then we will go to our city council and I will give each of the council members an opportunity to make any statements that they wish or anything they need to talk about. If there are any items on the consent agenda that you want pulled and placed on the regular agenda for discussion, this is the time to do. So I'll start with I have nothing to pull from the agenda, Mayor. Miss Lucy. I have nothing to pull, but I do want to encourage everyone to go and vote. Thank you, ma'am. Miss Charlotte. I did have a comment. I was in Washington, D.C. last week. And of all of the years that I have attended the Fort Stu Plains Conferences to visit with the legislative body. This was the most receptive. They were all in a very good mood because of transportation bill funding. bill funding and working very hard to make that a permanent fund and a source instead of just five years and very familiar with Fort Stu Plains and the efforts and very pleased and super receptive so I am hoping that items they were all familiar with the I-27 and I-14 and could talk about it and hoping to continue discussion and approvals will go forward. That is my comment I have have another comment. I got back to town and I received numerous phone calls about the activity that went on at work. To the championship, somebody helped me out, a horse horse and all of that that was out there. But the one comment, several comments that stood out above all, was where did we find that young man that does all of the filming that he could take two rocks

[0:34:48] in a cactus and literally make an absolutely beautiful love story out of it over his work. So I wanted to convey that to the council. I did watch some of the competition on channel 17 and sorry, I missed it. So that is I want to convey to Brian congratulations when people call me with stuff like that. It's so enjoyable to hear and he does do a good job. Don't worry, he stuck off too, but congratulations to him. The other item, Mr. Mayor, I don't have anything from the consent agenda that I would like to pull, but I would like Council to look at item C on regular agenda, and this body voted unanimously just not that long ago to postpone such items with this until further study was done and the Council had been given more information. Today, I have not received additional information, and specifically the application calls for plans and designs of the facility. I have not seen any plans or designs of the facility, so I was wondering if we were getting the car before the horse on this, and if it was, it's a very important project, but we're not quite ready to go there. I'll post it in my comments. So when we get to the regular agenda, I'll request, okay, John, did you have anything else I don't have anything. Marty. I just need to abstain from item C on the consent agenda. All right, sir. Anything else? No. How about in your last meeting, Rodney? You have anything, sir? Yeah, today is St. Angelo is St. Angelo gives day and I want to just encourage everybody to go out there and give to the local charities that are out there. If you don't know of a local charity, one of them that I'd suggest to you is the DAV, the disabled American veterans. There are several veterans organizations in our area, but the

[0:36:48] DAV has committed solely to issues financial assistance and disability services to veterans and their families. It's the smallest of the organizations in town, but has had the largest impact in the short time and has been re-chartered here in San Angelo. We do not have buildings, pay utilities or worry with building maintenance because there's no property to take care of. 100% of their funds go directly to the veterans and their spouses. So I suggest, I would really like everybody to go out there and give a little bit, give what you can today to a charity. You don't know a charity gift to the DAV. And like a Donnie Dunnegan message, he is very strong behind the disabled Americans, very strong. We wouldn't be here without disabled veterans. That's very true. I have nothing to add, so at this time I will entertain a motion to approve the consent agenda items A, B, D, E, F, G, H, and I, every item except item number C, may I have a motion please? Motion to approve. Elizabeth, may I have a second? Okay. Do I have a second from Rodney? Do I have any further discussion on these items? Do I have any public comment on these items? All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, nay. Let's put a 7-0 on it. This one, Marty, will be abstaining from. This is number C. I would like to have a motion from someone on this one, please. That will be approved. Motion to approve. Do I have a second? Second. Johnny. Any further counsel? Public comment. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, nay. Put a 6-0 on that one, please, Brian, with Marty self abstaining from the vote. One other item I need to mention is that at 10 o'clock, which is going to be 43 minutes from now, we will break for an executive item that must be taken care of before we can get on

[0:38:48] into our agenda. It shouldn't take more than what? The 15 minute break, I always call the 15 minute break, we're usually back in 25. So we can do our executive in our 25-minute, 15-minute break. So yes, ma'am. I believe the chairman of the water advisory board is Mike Boyd. And he asked to be called before that item comes up. So I'm not sure how the meeting is going to move. But if we could contact him so that he can get over here before that item is discussed. Ryan, could you get in touch with him about 9.45? He's not far away if you could do that, please, sir. Mike Boyd, Texas Commerse Financial. Used to be Texas Commer, now it's first financial. I'm 5900. That's my bank. My daddy worked there 40 years, but he was an Angela National then. And that, oh. I originally came from Southwest Bank. Yes, he did. OK, you bankers. We could do this all day long. That's got that. I have to sell numbers if you know what you do. Regular agenda item number A, presentation of report from the Chamber of Commerce, Economic Development Council, and the Convention and Visitors Bureau's CVB, presentation by CVB, CVB, Vice President Pamela Miller, Chamber Vice President for Economic Development, Michaelinny, and I suppose we are beginning with you, Mr. Linny. Yes, sir. You are on, sir. All right, good morning, and thank you for the invitation to deliver this report to you on quarterly activities, coming from the Chamber of Commerce. In accordance with the Chamber's contract with CoCDC, we have organized our tasks into a series of numbered defined tasks. So you'll see that where it says task one, task two, task three, keeps it all organized. One of our tasks is to attend trade shows.

[0:40:51] And per the CoCDC Chamber contract, under employment recruitment activities and trade shows, past quarter, We attended two trade shows in order to engage potential employers to explore expansion options in San Angelo. The intent is to interact with as many prospects as possible with a compressed time frame. The trade shows attended all featured manufacturers that are within the proper NAICS codes which make them eligible for potential, have sent sales tax, economic development incentives but but most importantly, these prospective manufacturers would be very compatible with our region's skilled workforce, available facilities, and availability of materials. The first one was attended was the design two part trade show in Dallas, which featured metal, plastic, and carbon fiber parts manufacturing companies. I had meetings with approximately 20 companies that expressed interest and expansion outside their current markets, five of which we have had discussions with that have shown interest in San Angelo. And we are continuing to work with those companies and follow up diligently. The second trade show was the Pet Food Forum, which was held in Kansas City, Missouri. This was a very rich environment of prospective manufacturers in the vast pet food and supplement business. I interacted with several companies that expressed interest in exploring opportunities to work with our local livestock producers, skilled workforce, and requested information on available processing and distribution facilities. I was also able to spend most of the day, one of the days, with the leadership of a pet products company that some of you have heard of that has already toured San Angel once about exploring relocation from their current home city on the Eastern Seaboard into Texas. And we'll talk more about that in a moment. That was a very, very encouraging meeting. In accordance with TAS-1, Section A and B,

[0:42:51] Perth and Costa DC contract under trade shows, public relations and market promotion, the Chamber helped host and sponsor two San Angelo trade summits. One was the 8th Annual Transmission Summit, which was held in San Angelo, along with the 8th Annual Southwest Energy Round Table. Each summit was held at Howard College, and these were excellent venues to promote the San Angelo market to industry experts that had never been or had not experienced the San Angelo market in some time. Each summit featured approximately 40 attendees, including industry leaders from around the United States. Ask one of the chamber contract addresses also direct contact with prospective employers. There are three that we are currently working closely with, and we feel we have a very good chance of bringing it into the city. The first one is Project Q, that is the codename for the company that we also interacted with at the Pet Food Forum. We had a direct meeting with the owner of the company. It would be an estimated initial 40 employees with 100 headcount in two years. And we are in the process of planning the second tour in June. Project South, we are planning a site tour with leadership of a large mechanical fabrication company located throughout the Southeastern United States. We are now planning a June timeframe sometime in June. going to have a tour with company leadership, so we are in the process of arranging that. No count yet on how many jobs that would be, but we estimate it would be about 30. Project Florida Call is a company that we've been working very closely with. This is a contact center. They're estimating 200 to 300 employees, and we are been talking to them for about six months, and we are now currently in the process of establishing a time and schedule for a July or August site selection tour.

[0:44:52] They've already secured a location in the Midwest United States, Texas is their next location with another stop that will be their third relocation in California. We also are as part of our market promotion activities. We have run a second full page ad in trade and industry journal. This is an infographic that was very colorful and attractive, very simple and easy to read, very engaging. It resulted in two phone calls from two prospective companies that we have shared information with. And this went out to 25,000 industry leaders. We got a two first, so usually we'll just do one per magazine. We got a deal for two, so it ran in two separate months. And we also are, I don't have a slide on this, but we just finished working on a four-page spread along with our COCDC partner that is going to be run in the Governor's Office Economic Development Magazine called Texas Wide Open for Business. This is a very prestigious publication. This is taken by the Governor's Office when they go on tours around the world and around the country to promote the Texas economy. It's going to be a four-page brochure. going to get an overrun of 500, so we can use those as separate stand-alone promotional brochures. We can put them into the community profile. We can mail them out when we send letters out to prospective employers. And in sum, just to kind of wrap up, one of the things that we do spend time on is supporting our mission at Goodfellow Air Force Base. Last time I gave my presentation, last quarter, we had a total of 12 MOUs, memorandum of understanding. We had three signed, nine outstanding at this time as of April 20, we have got six MOU signed and six other MOUs are currently in legal. There was a sign in some MOUs. We are very proud of our

[0:46:59] relationship with Goodfellow Air Force Base. Their mission has been enhanced in great part by the efforts of the community and we get thanked by leadership both from Washington DC and from the local wing command every time we get together with them and they continue to express how important the relationship is between the base and the San Angelo community and they take that very, very seriously. I just wanted to kind of follow up, finish up by just thanking all of you on City Council for your service and for your support with the loss of fill neighbors. It's been quite difficult but we are strong we are maintaining our spirit and we're continuing our our our good work and I just wanted to take a second to thank you and also the Co-CDC board and the Co-CDC staff they have been extremely supportive and we couldn't do it without them so I just wanted to take a minute to publicly knowledge our great appreciation for all that you do for us thank you thank you Mr. Lenny do I have any questions from Council for Michael don't leave yet do I have any questions Council do I have any public comment any questions for Michael on this thank you very much let me we appreciate you but thank you sir very good presentation Pamela Miller we had fun Saturday of frontier days didn't we we did that was great pancakes too yeah exactly I'm gonna present today the first quarter reports for the Convention of Visitors Bureau, and I am Pamela Miller. The first quarter we assisted with nine conventions meetings, sporting events, or motor coach tours. The projected attendance was 24,650 people, projected room nights 1363, and our average length of days spent stayed at three days. Total economic impact, $4,771,900. Obviously,

[0:49:01] our two largest events, first quarter, where the livestock show and rodeo, and also the Kennedy Center Theater Competition was quite large for us, with about 900 people this year. Our advertising, we continued to do a lot of strong advertising in magazine for print, and we did the Texas publications, including Texas Highways, Texas Monthly, Texas Event Calendar, Travel Host. We have a new state of Texas guide for 2016, so we had a new ad in that. And we also did the Texas Municipal League. They do a tourism issue every April, which actually comes out in March, and we did an ad in that also. Non-Texas publications included sports destination management and Convention South magazine. We continue with our online advertising and click on and watch a video about St. Angelo, and that is targeted to the Hill Country area and as far south as Del Rio. Our television ads have continued statewide and the Texas cable. Our social media continues to be strong with Facebook and Google search. And for the first quarter, we had 2,694 requests for further information from our advertising. This is a copy of the ad that we ran in the Texas events calendar. That's a quarterly piece, so that was December, January, February. This is the ad that we ran in the state of Texas 2016 guide. Also the ad that we ran in the municipal league publication. This is the ad that we ran in Texas highways and Texas monthly. And we put together a new sports advertising piece.

[0:51:05] This is a large two-sided postcard. There are two slides you'll see that are on each side of the postcard, and this is a piece that we can take along to trade shows that's a little tease on all that we have to offer. We also can use it as a mailer to any of our sports planners. How big are they, Pam? They're an oversized postcard, so they're probably about this big. extra postage. We also put one together for the meeting planners and this one is a self-mailer and again it's two-sided. You'll see uptown, down home or just good time San Angelo, Texas has it all. On the flip side the San Angelo Convention of Visitors Bureau offers full service attention with West Texas charm and you'll see towards the bottom we put our little sheep in there, our little welcoming you and let us roll out the red carpet for you. And we have been mailing this out to meeting planners across the United States. Mediassists that we had this quarter were for authentic Texas. That is a brand new publication that's being put together by the Heritage Trails. And you'll see a copy of our article later. And Travel Host. And Travel Host is doing an article on our lilies. Here's that authentic Texas piece. The initial inaugural copy had a story that both Bob Bluehart and I sent in some information for. There was another one that was in there on the baseball team at Fort Concho too, so we got good coverage in the inaugural one. First quarter visitor sign-ins. There were 2,136 people from out of town. Our Our top ten Texas cities are listed there. Houston stayed in our number one spot. Top five, Houston, Midland, San Antonio, Abilene, and Austin. Our top six out of state, New Mexico

[0:53:09] was number one, Wisconsin, California, Minnesota, Illinois, Ohio. You can tell this was winter. Look at all those snowbirds. Top International, number one again was Canada, Germany, New Zealand, Taiwan was a kind of different one in there. We did have a group from there, Italy and Mexico. And I wanted to point out, you might remember spring break week this year was especially nice, the weather. And the visitor center was really, really busy that week. And I thought it was interesting that just the first five days, we had people from 30 other states, the District of Columbia, seven other countries and over 75 different Texas cities. And when I ran the numbers, our March was up 21% over March last year. So real busy at the Visitor Center. Year to date, occupancy is down 19% at 43%. So our occupancy is currently 43%. Demand is up for the first quarter. Not a whole lot, but 0.8% were finally up. Our average daily rate was down 27.2% at $71.71 for the average price of a room, right now in San Angelo is 71.71. Current hotel numbers have remained unchanged with 33 properties at 2,821 rooms. I wanted to point out two really good pieces of information. You might remember back last year in October, When we went to present a bid, I say we, the Convention of Visitors Bureau and the San Angelo Fire Department for the Firefighter Olympics for 2017. Well, we've been waiting all this time. We were shortlisted against Mansfield, who also has beautiful sports facilities.

[0:55:09] And we recently heard that we won the bid. So the Firefighter Olympics are coming to San Angelo in 2017, up to 1,200 participants. So we have the police Olympics this June. We have the firefighter Olympics next July. Also, last October, you'll remember that we hosted the Welcome Centers, the Texas Highways Text Dot and all of the Welcome Centers across the state. They came in on a study tour that went all over West Texas, visited 70 different attractions, made it loads of different restaurants throughout their tour. We just got back from their annual conference, where San Angelo won three awards. It's great when you get one. We got three. We won the Best Tour Guide for an Attraction. It was Karen Smith as Miss Sunshine for Miss Addie's Bordello. We got the Best Dinner by Fiddle Fire at Fort Conchow, and we got the Best Breakfast for Greens, Gross, Three, and Cafe. So we walked away with three big awards from their conference this year. Are there any questions? That surprised me at all. Any questions I can answer? Any questions? I got one. John? I was noticing on one of the postcards, it says a thousand rooms, and this one says 2,800 rooms, so. A thousand new rooms. A thousand new rooms. Yeah. That we highlighted that as our first bullet. Yes. Okay. to fill those thousand new rivets. Any further comments or questions from council? I have much hold on I'm asking for public comment man you may not be through. I have any public questions for Pamela before we dismiss her. Thank you Pamela very good report. Item number B is an update on issuance of certificates of obligation and series 2008 and series 2009 refunding bonds

[0:57:13] Presentation by Finance Director Tina Keriger and Vince Vialy specialized public finance and co-operating. Is this good news Tina? Yes sir. It's always good news when I see that you. Good morning Mayor Council. How are y'all? Yes. Okay so you'll recall that we closed on a bond issue in a refunding last month and so we just wanted to give you a quick update on that. The city did refinance series 2008 in 2009 bonds, we refinance them from 4.125% between 4.125% and 5% to a new rate of 2.17% saving the city about $1.8 million over the course of the transaction. Then we also issued certificates of obligation in the amount of $16 million for capital improvements, namely streets, reconstruction and improvements. They are amortized over a 20 year period at a rate of 2.85%. It did not increase the debt service tax rate and our ratings came back very favorable at AA and AA plus. So if you have any questions, I'll be happy to answer them. That's wonderful news. Thank you Vince. Do you have anything to do with that? Did an excellent job. Any comments from Council? Yes ma'am. I have a question. For those of us that have been out on the campaign trail, there's always is a question of why don't we know what the actual cost of the money is at the time that the council approves it? And what you've explained is that you don't actually know what the interest rate is that we're going to receive until all of the work is done. And how can you explain that process from the time you have the council approval until the time the bonds are sold? I'll let Vince get up and explain that process. That's what he gets paid for. I'm happy with that. Air Council members. Good morning. My name is Vince Villas with Specialized Public Finance for the record. And there's two ways to sell bonds, basically.

[0:59:14] Typically what happens on a usual sale is we'll get bids in or we'll negotiate the transaction with the underwriter. We will bring that transaction back to Council and we'll present Council with the results of the bids or the results of the negotiated transaction. And if acceptable to council at that time, the council will then consider the ordinance authorizing the issuance of the debt at that time. So you do know what it is that you're issuing, what the interest rate will be at that time prior to the time you consider the ordinance authorizing the debt. What we've done in this method is we did what are called parameters, ordinances. And early on, if y'all recall several council meetings back, we had y'all consider what's called the parameters ordinance for the refunding bond issue and for the certificate of obligation that parameters ordinance set parameters whereby we had to achieve a certain level of savings and could not exceed a certain interest rate on the refunding and on the certificate of obligation issue we could not exceed a certain interest rate if we could affect those transactions we would get them done y'all approved the parameters ordinances at that time, we went out and affected those transactions, so we exceeded the savings level of the parameters ordinance for the refunding issue. We got a lower interest rate than the parameters ordinance for the certificate of obligation issue, so we were able to get those issues done, so we bring these back to the council to brief you on the results of those two issues. So the interest rate is not determined until the time that we go to the marketplace and actually sell the debt in the marketplace. The municipal bond marketplace is a very fluid market. The rates change every minute, just like the stock market does. So we don't know the rates until such time as we get those instruments in the marketplace and get them sold to investors, but we always have the council sign off either with the results of that or we set a ceiling that we will not exceed whenever we do those transactions.

[1:01:15] Well, and the good thing is we're always under, We're within the parameters, of course, which the ordinance requires, but you've always delivered below the rates that you've generally warned us about. So, I mean, it's a good thing, it's a good system, and in this case, you're showing a savings, at least on the other slide, but as I said, a lot of citizens don't understand the process, and so I appreciate your explanation. Thank you, ma'am. the comments questions from council. Well I'll tell you what I'm proud of that's that double A and that double A plus credit rating because that's something that not ever city is able to achieve that is a very good rating which allows us to borrow this money at the rates that we're borrowing it and I'm very proud of our I'm very proud of our city that we're able to achieve that that's a that's a positive figure that we can look at and say this is what we have done and it's because we're physically responsible, so I'm proud of you. I agree, that's worthy of being proud of. It is. That's a wonderful thought Tina's fault. It's fault. I concur. I'll take it on that one. Do I have any public comment on this item? This was simply just tell us about it, correct, Tina? OK. Yes, sir. Come forward. Morning, my name is Ari. Council, I'd like to know if you habitually use a particular lead underwriter for your issuance of bonds And do you keep records available to the public about who owns our bonds? Thanks. Ina, Vince? Who gets this one? Again, Vince, the yellow specialized public finance. That's a very good question. There's two ways to sell bonds, basically. There's competitive bid situation, which is what we did on the certificates of obligation. On a competitive bid situation, we structured the bond issue. We throw it out in the marketplace, and underwriting firms submit bids, and they're bidding the interest rate. And whoever gives us the lowest interest rate

[1:03:15] is who we sell the debt obligations to. In the case of the CO issue, we had a total of eight bids that represented probably about in excess of 20 underwriting firms. They'll often form syndicates together and bid with each other. But we had eight independent bids. The winning bid on the COs was the bid of RW Baird at the interest rate of 2.85%. The spread between the lowest interest rate and the highest interest rate was 2.97%. So 18 basis points spread within those eight bids. So it's a very tight spread considering it was eight bids. On the refunding transaction, we did a negotiated sell. Refunding transactions are a little more complicated. Whenever we're doing a refunding issue, we have to also simultaneously structure an escrow with open market securities because that escrow is what is used to pay off the existing debt service. And we've got certain arbitrage limitations that we have to tie with the interest rate on the refunding bond issue that we sell. So there are a lot of moving parts on a refunding issue. It lends itself more so to a negotiated type sell. On the refunding bond issue, we use the underwriters of BOSC, which is also called Bank of Texas, and also SAMCO was the co-manager on the refunding bond issue. What we will do is whenever we come across where we need to do a negotiated transaction or the city of San Angelo, we will go back and we will look at the competitive bid situation. Who has bid on city of San Angelo bond issues before and how did they perform and when it comes time to do a negotiated transaction, we'll look at that list to see who has performed for us before whenever we think about the selection process for an underwriter for negotiated cell. So that's how we worked out questions. Anybody wanted a baby moment? Thank you, Ben. Thank you all. Have any other

[1:05:16] questions before we move on on this? Thank you very much. That's a very good report. Appreciate it. I don't remember see this is one you want to talk about Charlotte. Consider adoption of a resolution authorizing application for financial assistance from the Texas Water Development Board for water and sewer sewer system improvements, making certain findings and connection there with Director Bill Riley, your own sir. Mr. Olli, I was curious as to why that we are pushing this through without Council receiving any of the information from our last meeting about the project and stuff like that. And also I noticed in the application process that they require with the application the complete plans, building plans, site plans for the project and must have a public notification of where I don't even know where the project is selected to be. So I'm kind of curious as to why this is on here now, why the rush when we don't have all this information. I will do my best to explain that. You recall that last year we submitted an application for the SWIP funding for this project prior to making any decision whether to move forward this project. We were not invited to submit a full application at that time because the project was not in the state water plan. It has been listed but not specifically in there as a project. In the 2016 state water plan the project was put in there. And so this year we submitted another abridged application for that funding. This does not obligate you to anything. What it does is provide a tool for you that you do move forward this project where you have a low interest funding to the state and can save a lot of money but at this point again let me say you are not obligated to anything. We were the state did choose this project or St. Angelo is the first round of the applications

[1:07:22] that invited us to submit a full application. Unfortunately we received that about a notice about three weeks ago that application is due next week and part of that is a resolution from you which is what we're bringing to you today and that is why it's on here today because of the timing that we have to do this. The project or the application does not require full plans and specifications. What it does require is the study that was done on the reclamation alternatives that will be part of the application. There has been no decision on site locations. There's been no design done other than the pilot that is going on now. Again, you're not obligated to anything. It merely provides you a tool for funding in the event that you do choose the project. Mr. Raleigh, I'm confused, I guess, because we have boards and committees and we have a Water Advisory Board and in that board, the folks that serve on that board, I consider top-notch in their fields and rely on their recommendations on projects where it is not my field and wanting to be very careful with what we commit to and spend the cities many on and whether we actually need it immediately and right now. This was not, did not go through that board. So therefore, I don't have their opinion as to what they would recommend and that concerns me. Well, we do have a meeting scheduled on the 10th and again of next week, next Tuesday. But again, the timing did not allow us to take that. We have to have this resolution. Again, this is not a project. is an application for funding if you choose to go to do that project. Again, it does not commit you to anything. It's just a tool that you'll have to use if you choose to do that

[1:09:22] project. The advisory board is still looking at options. We're meeting next week to continue that process and we'll continue it until they have a recommendation to you. Should the council decide not to get into this or go forward, isn't there another application date which is is a winter fund. There is not another swift application date until next year. Next year. This would delay funding for for at least a year. I'm all for a lower interest rate but not at the expense of making bad decisions because I don't have recommendations from our advisory board which I depend on. That's the reason I thought it was a rush to counsel today to get a resolution on this item when we had all agreed that we needed more study. Again this does not obligate you or you're not choosing a project it's just a tool for funding. Personally I don't see how that can be a bad decision you're not obligated to anything we can pull out of this process at any time. Okay I'll withdraw wanting to suspend this from council decision today because I do know that there are folks in the audience with the water advisory board and possibly I could hear their opinion and feel more comfortable with any decision today Mr. Mayor. Why don't we move on with the presentation then Bill. That's it. I don't see a problem. This is just an application process. We haven't signed anything. We haven't obligated ourselves. We haven't obligated the city. This is simply an application process. It's not costing us anything to apply is it? And if we don't want to do this, when it's time, then we just don't do this. I don't see a problem with this, personally, in getting this in. Let me just say, if that's all it is, if that's truly what it is, just an application to get

[1:11:22] our name in the hat there. I'm not even sold on the idea of the project, you know, and this is one of our last meetings, so I just want to make that known. But if you're telling this is simply an application, just on paper, that allows us to later on look at maybe some funding sources that are there, I guess I have no problem with it. Again, I'm not sold on the idea yet, but it is a simple, if you're telling me there, standing there telling us that that's all there is, then. This application doesn't even guarantee you the funding. It's just an application. It still has to go through the full vetting process of the Texas Water Government Board. So again, as it goes through this process, you can pull from that at any time. Unfortunately, we have to submit this application next Wednesday, a week from tomorrow. You asked some wisdom to share with us, Mike Boyd. Good morning. Yeah, I appreciate it. We're aware of the application process, and yes, it's got to be in on the 10th, and yes, we do meet on the 10th. I've visited with several of our members. We have discussed it in a previous meeting, and we'll make that approval process or not. At this point, I feel like we'll approve that we need to make the application. We don't want to wait another year for funding. We plan on coming to you a hope in the August, September time frame with some type of recommendation to counsel on what we feel like the best alternatives are, not that there's one, but there may be two or three. We've got a process now that's got eight different projects on that. We basically shouldn't narrow that down to three projects that we think are viable for the city and Tom Green County. And we're looking at as Tom Green County as a whole, not just the city of St. Angelo, because it's important to me and some of the other council members. I mean, the other advisory board members, that we've got to look at it for a revenue stream also. We've talked about days cash on hand in the water department and that last number I looked at was 13. We need to have at least 60 to 90 days of cash on hand to not only handle how we want to look at our water

[1:13:24] in the future for the next 30 years because we don't want to revisit this every 10 years. We'll have some recommendations on the May 10th meeting. I want to know about our current water facility. It's extremely old. We need to look at what that's going to cost us to rebuild or remake that facility over a period of time. My personal goal is why can't those somehow be combined? Then you eliminate overhead, you eliminate personnel, and you eliminate that future capital cost. So I think we'll get to that point. And our goal is sometime in the August-September timeframe. So we support the application process at this point. Doesn't mean we have to use it. I don't think we'll be penalized, if for some reason we don't take it, but now that it's out there and we've been invited to make the application, that's my personal reason that we need to do that. And speaking as a mayor, an application holds no authority unless it's signed. No water. No water. No, we're far from that. And we're not signing any obligations. I don't have a problem with this. I think it's good business to get it out there, get our application in, and regardless whether we use it or not, at least we're. How many is, is the way I understand it first come, first serve, until it's all gone? I understand the application process. I understand that, but without hearing from you and a few others, I've- And one thing, Joe, I think that's important to me when we had the first presentation on the study, it was at a 6% rate. And when you're talking about whatever that number is from zero to 136 million, and I went back to the state and talked to them and said, what's that fund currently? It was 2.3%, well, that service standpoint, obviously it's very significant. So it's least worth looking at it, and it gives us some incentive to come back to you with a recommendation for you to make the final decision

[1:15:26] on what we need to do in the question. Do I have any further? Yes, Elizabeth? I don't have any problem with this application being simply a placeholder for funding. You know I'm not willing to approve any project until I see the SWAT and the recommendation and all of the information come forward. I've been pretty consistent with that. I'm a little disappointed, though, that we received a letter and didn't maybe have the water advisory council meet prior to coming to the city council. I think that procedurally that would be helpful. I think that also Mike and his group can be advocates for you and I know sometimes they're not all advocating the same thing but once they make a recommendation I think they can be helpful in getting information out to the citizens because what this is going to look like in the news tomorrow, or tonight, is that we've approved this project. And I don't want anybody to misunderstand what we're doing. If all we're doing right now is potentially keeping open our ability to access the lowest interest funds for the future, I'm OK with that. But I really do think this wasn't probably the best process or schedule to do that. the comments from council and those are some of the comments I was getting to like people that thought that we were signing on dotted line to move forward with this 130 million dollar project and if that's not the case then it wasn't it wasn't shared with the public the way it should have been there was I guess I'm a little confused what I just explained to you was yeah it was not yes we we understand but there's a lot of folks out there that don't understand they saw it like Like, they're moving forward with the project and there's been nothing presented, you know.

[1:17:30] That's the idea that's coming out from people, the taxpayers thinking we're moving forward with it and nothing has been brought to us. So I understand where you're coming from. I understand the simple application process. And if I was in control of the timing and the process, it would have been exactly like you said. But unfortunately, I'm not subject to the state's timing. is that a short time, it's extremely short time. But it's the time frame they gave us to act in. There's one other issue that I need to bring up on this, and I'll ask Vince to come speak to that. And it has to do with the funding. The resolution that you have in front of you is for the 136 million that we had for the project. There does need to be an amendment to that because of the funding process. And Vince would come and explain why that actually as maybe. Air Council members, again, good morning. For the record, my name is Vince Vio, a specialized public finance. The resolution that you've got before you this morning is requesting financial assistance, baby, basically, or allowing us to submit our application to the Texas Water Development Board for the SWIFT funding. Believe, and Bill, correct me if I'm wrong, the original application request amount was $136 million. Looking at the financing alternatives that we have available to us, when that $136 million number was put in place the resolution. I think at that time, we were not that involved in the process, since we've gotten involved in this process. Originally, the process was the city was going to issue certificates of obligation, also called COs. COs are a great instrument. We've done a lot of financing for city improvements with COs. The thing about COs is they have a double barrel pledge for the repayment. It's an ad-ball arm tax pledge plus a utility system revenue pledge. Now, you never lever levy the Avallorm taxes as long as the revenues are sufficient to make those payments. However, since they have the Avallorm tax pledge for repayment associated with them, they come

[1:19:30] at a very low interest rate in the marketplace when you finance in the marketplace. Another financing alternative for cities are called revenue bonds. Revenue bonds do not have the Avallorm tax pledge. They only have the repayment of the utility system revenues. Now when you finance revenue bonds in the marketplace, they have a higher interest rate associated with them because there's not the ad valorem tax pledge for repayment. Also when you do revenue bonds, you have to have a reserve fund in place. The city maintains that reserve fund. That reserve fund is equal to the average annual principal payments any given year and it's there in case the revenues of the system were ever insufficient to make your payments. The reserve fund comes in and makes the payments on your behalf. Now that's all the open market I've talked about so far. When we finance at the Water Board, the Texas Water Development Board, there is no interest rate differential between COs and revenue bonds. So in my mind, as the city's financial advisor, I don't want to eat up our tax base or $136 or $140 million project. When I can finance that project on a revenue bond basis at the exact same interest rate, then I can a CO basis. Now we do have to fund a reserve fund with the revenue bond, but it's not eating into our tax base for the city for future financials. So in my mind, this is the cheapest financing alternative for the city to take advantage of if we pursue it. I recommend that we would do a revenue bond if we pursue it, but as such it requires a reserve fund to be in place. That reserve fund kicks up our financing amount, and that reserve fund is also used to pay the last payments on the issue in about 20-25 years, but it does pay the last issue, so it doesn't go away. There is a use for it. As a result of which it increases the size of our borrowing up from 136 to about 144 million. I believe what we're considering now in the resolution

[1:21:31] is 150 million and amount not to exceed. So if you approve the $150 million resolution, It will be at that level, or more or less than that. I expect right now, it'd be about 144 million with the reserve funds in place. Questions? Turns me, when we talk about this, and we talk about $136 million, $150 million, the public out there hears it. And maybe they don't understand we might or might not. But in 2002, the city had a $5 million water rate increase in 2002. If people go back and look, our reduced water rate sales went from 26,000 acre feet a year to 13,000 to 14,000 acre feet a year. Now, what that is is that double-edged sword is we need the sales to pay off this money. I don't want to talk about this in amounts that alarms the public, they're going to raise the rates again. I just want us to have all of our ducks in a row before we explained it like we did with the last water rate increase. I totally agree, Ms. Farmer. I think one of the unfortunate aspects of this issue is we're dealing with the state. And we're seeking financing from the Texas Water Development Board, which is the funding entity created by the state to fund municipal water projects. And under their rules, the way this program is set up, what they've done is they put the burden on the cities to approve the applications in a very fast manner. Now, once those applications are submitted by May 11th, the state has several months to evaluate those applications. As Bill has said earlier, the city will not be committed to the funding process until such time as the water board goes out for their bond issue to finance these projects. That will not take place until August or September.

[1:23:32] So actually, even though we're submitting this application, the state itself does not have its own funding in place yet. That will not occur until August, September, and it will be at that time the city will have to either decide are we in or are we out. That will be our decision trigger at that time. And we approve this resolution without approving this extra money. Can we approve this resolution today and get the application in without approving this extra from 136 to $150 million? That's pretty good job. You can, but it affects how it would be funded. Mayor, we can certainly approve it at 136 million. If we approve at 136, we will be issuing certificates of obligation because there will not be the funding in place to fund the reserve fund to do a revenue bond. If we approve it at the 145 million at that level, that in my opinion would be sufficient to do a revenue bond issue for the city have those reserve funds put in place. I can't give you a lot of comfort and I understand your heads of it to go to 150. All I can do is repeat myself and say the 150 is a not-to-exceed amount. We're not wanting to borrow any more than we have to to fund this project and the most economical means for the city possible. But again, it is council discretion how y'all wish to proceed. Any further comments or questions from council then I'll open that public and it's after 10 o'clock, what's our decision on this meeting? We're gonna finish this one up, before we go, let's finish it up. Mayor? Yeah. I don't even understand why we're talking dollars here. I thought we were just talking about an application. You know, why even mint the dollars? I mean, if it has nothing, if it's not tied to the application, I'm okay with it. But if you're throwing in dollars with this application, then that's fair, wait a minute. I'm having second thoughts about it.

[1:25:33] Where we're coming with the application, And again, bear in mind we're dealing with the state. And the way this process works, the state goes out and they send out invitations to cities and say, would you want to participate in this swift funding for your water project? The cities will then follow the applications. Now, with the applications come the dollar estimates for the project. The water board then bundles up all of these cost estimates and that's how they size their bond issue because the water board has to go out and finance a bond issue to get the funds to fund all the city projects. So the Water Board needs a funding size and amount of who all is gonna be borrowing how much money before they can go out and do their bond issue and fund those projects. So I'll birt you of submitting the application or with the dollar amount to it. It's notifying the Water Board that City of San Angelo may be coming to you at a future date requesting $136, $145 million for our project. That enables them to put their funding together to fund all of these projects for other cities. They still have to give approval of our application. I heard they have to approve it. We have actually up until seven days before the water board goes and does their bond issue for the financing, which is gonna take place in August, September. We have up until seven days before they market their bond issue to pull out of the project without cost to the city. So this is merely an instrument to allow them to size their bond issue and finance projects. All we're doing here is earmarking the money. We're asking for you want to ask for more than what you think you will probably need. And this is if we were to do those projects. We're not saying we're doing any projects at all, not a single project is going to be done. Then I have to come before this council, I have to go through the board,

[1:27:34] and they will have to decide on this. This is, to me, this is a no-brainer. You ask for the money, you ask for what you think you might need if we were to do this. That's all we're asking for. We're asking for the possibility of getting that money in the future. If we don't ask for this possibility of getting this money in the future, we will not get this low interest loan, And it will cost the city of St. Angelo millions of dollars. If the board comes back in September and says, we're not happy with any of these projects, they're not going the way that we think they're gonna be going, then we're not doing anything. It doesn't cost us a single dime. So this is just common sense. Just apply for it and this is applying. We didn't get it last year. We may not get it this year. So why would we not just apply for this? see what happens, ear market, that's what you're doing really is they're, they have a certain amount of pull of money of how much it's going to go out to these cities and it kind of earmarks us that if we do do do our project we could go up to $150 million. Am I correct with what I'm saying? I'm saying it's very layman terms. Yes sir you are. Okay. I have one question for Mr. Riley, the if we apply, we're granted and then we say nah we don't want the money. What What does that do to us, you know, in the state is looking at how San Angelo is, we're kind of fickle, you know, as to whether we do or we don't, and somebody else could have used the money and they had it earmarked for San Angelo. In my opinion, if I were the banker, it wouldn't make me look good with the banker because you keep screaming chicken little. I know that we sold the idea to the public in 2003 on the Hickory, is our backup, our reserve to have out there and we spent $121 million on that project back up it

[1:29:34] is completed but we're not using it and we're not using it because we've still got enough surface water out there so if we're not using it do we need audible water reuse water I'm just asking the question because it looks like in the figures in the numbers that if we include the Hickory as of this month or in March we've got six years of water. If you include the Hickory. Yes, several questions there. Start with the first one. I agree with you on your comments about going through the process and I had that very same concern. We did have a conversation with the water bumbleboard about that. They understand that this has not been a this project has not been committed to by you at this point. I I don't think, and we actually talked to them about the process of getting out. They understand that's a possibility. I don't think that would impact us in the future. As far as the rate issue that you brought up originally, the five-year plan that you adopted included increases for the fund future water supply. So that was taken into consideration in the rate study and the five-year plan again that you adopted back in the last year. And as far as the hickory, we are using the hickory at about a million and a half gallons a day. So right now about 10 to 15% of our total use. The hickory will not meet all of our daily demands by itself. If the surface water supplies were to go away, which unfortunately is a possibility, then we would be left with the hickory that could provide up to about 10 million gallons a day. The city could sustain at that. It would be obviously no outside watering. There would be tremendous limitations on use, but it will not meet the entire demands. That's what we need to look at for the future.

[1:31:35] How do we drop proof ourselves to have supply, to diversify our supply so that in the event we do lose our reservoirs, this city not only can sustain, but can still thrive. I guess the reason I really kind of hammering on this is going to this Saturday, you know, we're going to lose at least two members and possibly three. The history of what we've been through, what we have, expanse is gone and bringing everybody new people up to date on what has been spent and is it really needed for St. Angelo is a process, it's an educational process. You know, I look at the water tables and the levels on this is a sheet that the city provided for us, you know, with the Hickory, and I have to ask myself, isn't there a point in there that we can no longer bank the Hickory water? And there is. There's a point in there, and we either use it or we lose it. And that's the same with our surface water. Use it or lose it. And we have surface water out there right now, but I'm all for the resolution to get the many reserve force but the repercussions of that really do frighten me and I I need to just state that right up front and I guess I understand your concern of people thinking you made that decision again I think it's good business I think it's a good tool for you to use if you need one correction on the hit Creek we can bank water up until 2026 we don't lose it after that it can stay banked forever so we always have that water to use after it's in bank we just can't bank it after this is difficult to understand and for the folks out there that you all they understand is the amount of their water bill and they look to us to protect them and have right information correct information out there and that's all I'm trying to do that our water bills are going to go up in the future and if you think that they're not then you are sticking your head in the sand and the

[1:33:39] one thing that I want to point out is that we need to plan for the future even Even if we did get these bonds and we did do this system, which I don't know what they're going to do, it will take three to four years to probably get this thing going and get it in place. Our situation out here in West Texas, we are in the desert and we have gone through this. God saved us two years ago on that Memorial Day weekend. We were at, what, 11 months, less than 11 months at that time. And we didn't have to go through all the drastic things that we're about to, that we're about to happen. I foresee in our future that we probably will get to that stage again and we need to have plans. You don't want to get to 11 months and then be deciding, you know what, we need to spend 150 million. Well, that's worth four years from where we get the water. You got to have it set up in place and ready to go before then. So that's, that's the biggest thing that I, and I'm, again, I'm not saying that I'm endorsing this one, but our Water Advisory Board will tell us where they think that we should be going on this, and I definitely think that we should be spending the money to do something. I don't know what it is, but I do think that we should be spending and trying to get into place a security of our future for our kids to have water out here in West Texas. And in 2007, I asked for Plan A, I wanted Plan B, and a Plan C, a minimum of, and that may be what this is. That's what this is. We're asking for the money to be there to help us with Plan B and C, possibly. I think you understand our concern and our confusion as a water advisory board. There's multiple facets to this experiment that we're trying to figure out. It could be as a possible increase in drilling more wells as something we're looking at. What we're trying to eliminate are sources that y'all have revisited over the last 10 or 15 years and determine if they're even pliable or not and what we're finding out is a lot

[1:35:41] of those aren't. You know, we may ask for it, it may be out there, but we end up being what we call a secondary user and those different districts are saying we're only going to provide it to a primary user and we've got more primary users than we can supply water for. So we're looking to eliminate those in the next meeting. But part of our concern, I think, in looking at from the water board at the state of Texas, if we decide not to do this and not go forward because we haven't vetted it like we should, I don't think they'll penalize for us. I think they'll say, I think you're doing a good job. And so we kind of switched it around the other way. And to me, that's the way we want to be as close to 100% recommendation that we can make. The other thing we don't consider, and I've asked for population growth in Tom Green County for the next 30 years. It doesn't grow exponentially. It grows one to 2%, just like we've historically done. But when you look at the adequate water usage 30 years from now, it does tell us that we've got to have multiple sources of water, probably at least three. And maybe reuse is one of them, maybe the hickory is one of them, and maybe there's another source other than our natural fed through our lakes and so forth. So it's just taking us a while. I think our current plant has a lot of question to me personally. I'm concerned about that current plant. When I know part of it was built in the 20s and 10 years from now, is it going to be from the TCEQ standard not acceptable? So we've got 20 or 30 questions out there and we're trying to answer them as best we can. OK? Thank you. Try to hurry. Go ahead. You've said, Mike and Bill had both said, you don't think it will hurt us if we put it in an application that we might withdraw. I'd like a little more certainty. So you've had conversations with the folks in Austin. Are you sure we're not gonna be hurt if we withdrew this application? I feel confident.

[1:37:44] Okay. But I obviously cannot speak for the- Well, did you ask the direct question? We didn't ask the question what be penalized. we had the conversation about when we could get out of the process. We also made sure that they understood that this had not been committed to. I did ask your financial advisor that question, and his opinion was also that that's probably not that it is not uncommon that people go through this process to earmark money, and then maybe make a different decision as they go through the process. I feel fairly confident that if we pulled out of it, we would not be penalized if we tried again in future either next year before. We also said that, you know, remember when we did the, the rate increase that we were anticipating paying for a big project. And we are, but we don't need to pay for something that we don't need or that hasn't been properly studied. So, you know, I, I, I, I'm going to continue to mention that because I want the public to understand I'm not trying to rush to a solution. I still want to see facts, but as for this project, if this is simply a placeholder, a placeholder for funds that allows us to access low interest money when we make a decision on for that. My question also is what if we choose a different direction at the end of the work of the Water Advisory Board? Are we still, can we still apply for this or is this only relevant right now to reclamation? funding has has relevant to that project and that's I wish that it wasn't so that we could could switch it has to be a project that is currently in the state water plan and I don't know that at this point it's my personal opinion if there's a project in the state water plan that would actually be something we move forward with that of course that's yet to be determined we would have to go through the process again. Okay. So in the 136 that now sounds like 150 million, how much of that addresses the existing water

[1:39:50] treatment plant? It addresses the existing wastewater treatment plant? Yes. It does not address the current water treatment plant. Okay. So what is the state in your opinion of our wastewater treatment plant? A wastewater treatment plant needs some renovation. It needs some upgrading. It needs quite a bit. That is included. That would happen as part of this process. If we do not do this project at some point in the not too distant future, we're going to have to visit that anyway. OK. So right now, you're talking about a needed infrastructure or facility rehab, whatever overhaul of some sort. Sorry, I'm not good at wastewater treatment plants. But again, I think it's worth discussing that to this degree so that the public understands what we're talking about here is not simply water reclamation and reuse, but it's also addressing an aging facility that is critical to the safety and, again, security of the community. That is a very good point that you bring up. That project does do more than just create the water. It does create a new water. It does make the improvements to the wastewater treatment plant. And let me clarify my comments about the water treatment plant. It doesn't take away the existing treatment process, but it does impact a lot of the processes at that facility and would make it easier to treat water in the future, utilizing this new process. What Mr. Boyd brings up is a very good point and something that we have talked about internally is that plan is old. It was built of parts of it were constructed in the 1920s. It is probably beyond its useful life in some cases, but it still treats water very well, but it is an antiquated process and it is also one that should be necessary to look at in

[1:41:51] the future. As the regulations change, the treatment processes change. an old sand filter process, a newer process would be more of a membrane filtration that would take smaller particles out. So both of those items at the wastewater treatment facility and the water treatment plant will be necessary to look at in the not too distant future. This process does address some of those. We're going to have big ticket items. You are. Yeah. Regardless of what we do with potable water. Okay. Thank you, mayor. Do you have the comments other than that has never been mentioned before no, but it's it's important because that's it But it's never been brought up even the idea of tagging on to that Now they get to now they get to talk about it more of a comment. Thanks Ted Weatherford I'm a concerned citizen and former east of town My comments will butters what Charlotte farmer says about the hickory When I started studying this, I thought, well, what happened to the Hickory? You remember when it was sold six or eight years ago as basically they answered our needs. At that time, of course, we were making water and we still are. If you look at these farms here that I'm handing out, the final judgment of the Hickory was in 1997 and this top column here of the stapled farm basically summarizes what happened in the hickory. You know 96 through 0.6 we're allowed 1500 acre feet. 0.6 to 0.21 we're allowed 27.50 and 0.21 through 0.26 we're allowed 5,000. Over these period of years we have banked this water. Now our water bank is about forty one or two thousand acre feet. Now this document here

[1:43:56] was generated by the city, this stapled document, when it was selling the hickory. Now this is the city's document of the water ledger intending to show what you should use or what they thought you would use. If you'll turn the page over to 2014 it shows intended cumulative use or amount used and the second column, third column, actually 6250. Well, we hadn't used that. Now, I'm talking about 6250 acre feet a year out of a total of 13.5. That's a substantial number. And when you roll that in to 15, we didn't use it in 15. We didn't use it in 16 or we haven't, I assume we're not gonna use it. If you'll look at my page that I did myself, this spreadsheet, the next one, Well, this is what you need to use in order not to lose it. You need to start using the second column, 8,000 acre feet average, according this year or sometime from now to 26, in order to get your banked water used, you've got 80,000 acre feet, 80,000 acre feet to use in the next nine years in a piece. you can't carry some of that over, but in 2026 the limit that you can use is 12,000 acre feet as it shows here on this front page and they give you 10. They're giving you some other words we're looking at 8, 10, 12,000 acre feet a year today and we're only using 13,5. Now how is this not a major source of water. I'm asking your number of people. It looks like it looks like big numbers to me and we're not using it. I'd like to know why what the deal is and we need to start using it. If I'm running this thing I'd say, well we're

[1:45:57] having a this summer, July, August, September or June, July, August, you know we're gonna have a no drought contingency plan, use all you want. See what you can sale. You know, Boyd was talking about, well, we need to sell some water. Well, we got it to sell. We've got six years of water or more. When is the last time that we had six years of water? Can anyone answer that question? Maybe, never. Possibly. Possibly when OC Fisher filled up in 57. Maybe. Maybe when Twin Buttes filled up in 1979, I don't think so, because that's 186,000 acre feet capacity, city gets 20, farmers get 20, and God through evaporation gets 20, 60,180, that's three years. Maybe, maybe when we built Lake Ivy, and Ivy filled up. I don't know it's five hundred some thousand acre feet. We get 15% that's 75,000 acre feet 75 divided by 15 Well, that's five years maybe maybe when that build up. We might have had six we've got the water here. It is Here it is and I was surprised when I discovered this too. I really am surprised Luckily, we haven't used any and the banking has added up But it's added up to a point where we need to start using it And I don't understand really why we're getting the car before the horse We've got a hundred and twenty something million dollar hickory and by the way this city document also shows somewhere Maybe not on this page, but it shows a debt And it's six million something a year that we pay Second page here this city's document. It's not mine And I don't understand why we don't start using it and use it and we need to use it. We're gonna lose the water water. It's more water there than you think. It's more water than possibly we've ever had.

[1:48:00] Six years plus, it shows today's paper that we have 30 months. That doesn't include the Hickory. I don't guess, does it, Mr. Riley? It doesn't include the Hickory. Well, who's, you know, who are we trying to fool here? Is this a scam or what? I just like some answers about the Hickory. 121 million we just forgot about. Some of you were here when it was sold, it was sold as a good answer and it is. Luckily so and the lawyers, you can talk about the lawyers for San Angelo, but they did a good job because they figured it out where they banked that water to the point where now we may need it. 10,000 acre feet when we're using 13.5, think about it. It's water. I'd like to remind everybody that we're talking about the funding mechanism today and we don't want to get into a big long debate about water sources. Thank you. I let it go. Further public comment on the resolution. I've got several handouts here right quick. The record, my name is HR award law. I was born and raised in San Angelo and lived here all my life, which is unfortunately is more than 70 years. years. As the mayor knows, I've been a water lawyer in San Angelo for approximately 45 years and I'm familiar with all the water works that we have. And I have I have files on all of

[1:50:02] the city's water contracts, all of the water rights, paper water rights, and all of the Concho River watershed. And I'm very familiar with all of this and I have I am concerned about what I'm seeing and we're not going to talk much about other water supplies we're going to talk I'm going to just talk briefly y'all have already made up your mind that you're going to do this make application for this you're getting the cart before the horse I'm going to tell you that and I'm also going to tell you that the public perceives that and the public didn't come in on a load of turnips either. You know you make application of this and you get the you get the funding and then the funding is going to be used to sell this soil water plant. It's just gonna be one of the arguments. We got the water, we got the money, now we're gonna do this plant and that's gonna make it hard for people to argue on the merits of this soil plant and the soil treatment plant is not a good idea. It is a terrible idea. And I, and when we get into it, I'm going to be able to show you why. And so, you know, everybody can make their statement up here, and they're that they're concerned, and they kind of hate to see this, but the evidence has come out today that we are making application for 130, 150, 200 million, whatever it ends up being for a sewer water treatment plant. And so here we come and I'll tell you, I haven't met Mr. Riley, I know he hadn't been here very long but I can tell that he wants to put this plant in and that's his prerogative but you're not here on the other side of the story and there is a big story to be heard and I will point out that Chuck Brown is the head of the U.C.R.A. and he is a hydrologist. He's

[1:52:13] been here for a long time and he'll be here for a long time after this is all over and he believes this is a terrible idea and I agree with him 100 percent. And so this is unfortunate what you're doing today. I'm going to make an objection for the record and for the application to go to Austin because as I read a few things and I don't know if this is the law or whether this is just the stated preference of the TCEQ. But the TCEQ has said before you make application for these loan proceeds that you should explore all other possible options. When you apply for a sewer treatment plant, you should have, and they suggest, or maybe require, that you go through all your other options and make sure those are not viable options before they grant you the money or even go to the problem. go through the process and the trouble of processing your application. And we have not done that. We haven't looked at all these other items and other options that we have and we have some other good options. And I will note for the record, Mr. Riley has not even mentioned the good options that we have. All he mentioned was a bunch of old worn out options that they've been discarded by future, by prior counsel and I was on the council when we rejected them and we'll talk about that some more later. But let's look at these two documents that I've ended out. The first one is in green and shows based on a 136 million dollar loan that our annual payments will be 13 $15,300,000, 5 minutes, and you're getting close to your limit.

[1:54:13] I'm going to wind up. Okay. Yeah. The other side had about 20 minutes, and that's part of the problem, but anyway, if you think you're going to put a pencil to it and raise our water rates and collect $13 million, you don't know, you don't understand the history, and you don't understand what happened as as farmers said back in about 2001 when we raised the water rates five million dollars a year and then the use dropped in half. You can't just put a pencil to it and say we need X number of dollars and we're going to we're going to just raise the water rates and that's going to bring it in. You're not going to bring in that kind of money. So that calls in the question the ability to finance that kind of thing and I'll guarantee you even if we we are able to finance it. It's going to hurt and stunt our economic development and growth of this city to have that kind of additional debt on us where our water rates are about double or triple what everybody else is in the states or then the other thing I want to point out to you and this is real critical that we'll get into later on. If you look at this prior letter by Harold Amingus and Kendall Hirschfeld a couple of years ago when and they were here on the city manager and on the council. If you look at page five, bottom of page five of seven and read the last paragraph and study the whole thing, it gives you the history of the water sewer treatment plant out there and how it works. Well, what you haven't been told and what the public doesn't understand and what y'all don't understand is that we're taking that sewer water, we've got the ideal situation here And no other city in the state of Texas I'm aware of has this same situation. And you've got to understand the situation before you can evaluate the sewer treatment plan. We spent $2.8 million building a pipeline

[1:56:14] from the sewer treatment plan out to the irrigation canal. And as this letter tells you, we are trading 8,000 acre feet of sewer water for fresh water And we get the 8,000 acre feet of fresh water that the farmers have a water right for when water's available in twin bues. And so the last thought I'm gonna leave you with is is when and if you build a seratreatment plant and the lakes fill up and then that plant's decommission just like it was in Wichita Falls, 30 minutes after the lakes filled up, Then, you're going to be losing 8,000 acre feet of freshwater a year because the farmers are not going to trade you anymore because you've taken the water away from them, the sewer water. And so, you're going to have 170, 200 million dollars of cost that the citizen's going to have to bear, you're going to be a sewer treatment plant sitting out there, decommissioned, and and we're going to be losing 8,000 acre feet of fresh water a year that we were getting for free. And that's not a good deal, folks. And I'm going to just leave you with that thought. Thank you, sir. Any other public comment? Yes, I'm still RA, Council. In your item C, I think I understand what consider adoption means. But after the semicolon, it says, making certain findings. Can somebody explain what those certain findings might be? I do not want to speak out of term. And I'd say just anything I want to and consider it making a certain finding. Bill, what does making certain findings mean? OK. I'll go ahead and say what I wanted to say.

[1:58:15] In both city council and in the Water Board meetings, no one is really emphasizing remediation of the brush problem. And I think that is central to our dilemma. If we don't get rain from heaven, and if we're not successful in capturing it, in our reservoirs and processing it, we got to pick up or at least you and I do, Mr. Mayor, because rich folks can stay, but us poor folks are gonna have to find another place to live because the water won't support this current population of the support about 60,000 people. But we have to have water and we have to treat it wisely. I hope in your financial considerations, you will look at ridding, municipally controlled property, state control property and park control property and other governmentally control property of brush before asking other people to try to help us with reading brush from their property but in your financial considerations please please look at spending some money on that thank you clarify the findings are the first statements in the resolution itself which which essentially says that we find and determine there's an urgent need for the construction of improvements, that capital improvements cannot be reasonably financed unless financial assistance is obtained from the Texas Water Development Board and is here by officially found and determined that the public notice of the time, place and purpose of the meeting was given as required by the Open Meetings Act, so those are the findings that are part of the resolution. Any further public comment on this, I guess it's time to be the call for a resolution or not all for a resolution so it's time for the council to make a decision. I have anyone wants to move one way or the other. I'll move that we accept the resolution as presented. Anyone want a second then? I'll second it. The motion that we accept the

[2:00:20] resolution to authorize the application for financial assistance it is simply a bookmarker. We are not obligated. We have not signed anything. We have not received anything it is simply getting a book marker in to protect and to give us a spot for the money if the state should so choose to adopt our application. We have not obligated ourselves in any way. Did I state that correctly? It has been the motion has been made. It has been seconded. We have had comment from the council. Is there any more comment before we vote on the resolution is there any further public comment on this before we vote if not I will call for the vote all in favor of the resolution as presented please say aye any opposed say nay nay what a 6-1 on it the resolution is passed it is 10 39 a.m. we are calling for an executive meeting it should not last more than what is a 10 to 15 minutes. It is Section 7, Section B. Is this correct, Brian? Section B, which is Section 510712 to consult with the Attorney when the Government of Body seeks the advice of its attorney on a matter in which the duty of the Attorney to the Government of Body under the Texas Disciplinary Rules of Professional Conduct of the State Board of Texas clearly In fact, with this chapter regarding the contract with the Health Foundation, it is 1040. I am now saying giving us two executives. Get this meeting call back to order, please. We are ready for item number D on the regular agenda, which is the first reading in the public hearing on an ordinance, amending chapter two, administration and personnel, article

[2:02:20] Division 2.07 boards, committees and commissions, Division 10, tax, increment, reinvestment zone board, and removing Chapter 2, administrative and administration and personnel, Article 2.07 boards, committees and commissions, Division 11, downtown Development Commission, presentation and planning by Development Services Director, Mr. John James. Are you ready, sir? You have the floor. development services. As you know we currently have two boards and commissions that deal with basically the areas in and around downtown. The tax increment reinvestment zone oversees that in reinvestment zone which is a funding mechanism for an area includes downtown but also includes a larger area as well. The downtown development commission oversees development and redevelopment specifically for the downtown. Back in the summer of 2015, you all began discussions of merging the functions of those two boards and not doing away with what those two boards do. But the thinking was that the functions that they currently do could be handled by one board rather than two separate boards. Here is a map showing the jurisdictions of both the tiers, which is the heavy black line with the slashes. You can see, again, it does include the downtown, but extends up into the north as well. And then the darker, the gray area is the area subject to the downtown development commission. And again, the idea is not to do away with any of those functions, so the newly reconstituted board would continue to oversee both of those areas. and those functions would be maintained. Here's the recent timeline. Back in February, we went to the County Commissioners

[2:04:22] and asked them, gave them this proposal that you're about to see. They were okay with the proposal as it's been presented. The impact to them, the current tiers board has four members appointed by the County. The proposal would have two members appointed by them, but again they were they were okay with that reduction this did go to the tears board in March two different meetings and then also in March to the downtown Development Commission and on and then back to the tears board again on March 30th I'll go through exactly what they recommended in just a minute after I give you the staff recommendation and of course here today were for the first reading and then ultimately a second reading of this ordinance to make changes I'll take a second to note that the next item on your agenda is amendments to the bylaws of the tears board. This presentation will basically cover both but there will be a separate action needed for that but it will not require second reading. So our current proposal this has gone through some iterations as we met with the tears board and the downtown Development Commission and listen to their feedback, but this is the result of all of those meetings. This would create a new tears board, dissolving both the existing tears and the existing downtown development commission and would incorporate the functions of both groups. It would reduce the size of the board from 15 to 12 members. Seven would be appointed by City Council, so one each by each Council member and one by the mayor. As I mentioned, two appointed by the County, maintaining three appointments, one each from Goodfellow the school district and ASU it would keep the current term limit of three terms three two year terms for a total of six years but it's important to note that because we would be dissolving the existing tiers board and creating a new tiers board those existing term limits basically start over so any member that may have timed out

[2:06:27] or is getting close to timing out on those term limits their clock would basically restart with a new appointment to the newly reconstituted board. We've also recommended removing the requirement of owning property in the zone. That's currently a requirement. I'll talk a little bit more about that in just a second. We've also included at your recommendation a conflict of interest provision, basically copying what is applied to Costa DC. We've included that same language, which would basically we say that no council member, no planning department staff, and no tiers board member could receive funding through the tiers. In addition, the board members can't participate or vote on items affecting them financially. If you adopt the conflict of interest provisions, that's less of a concern because the tiers board couldn't even consider items that affect a member financially. So we, as I mentioned, we did take this to the tiers board. a summary of their recommendations. They are generally supportive of the merger of the two boards. Staff originally had recommended reducing the board size to nine which would have eliminated the Goodfellow school district and ASU representation. The tears board felt pretty strongly that those three representatives remain on the board or those three organizations and so they recommended 12 that is reflected as I mentioned in the staff recommendation we've got we've taken our recommendation up to 12 as well they did a poll that I think was included in your packet and the members were asked what their preferences were on a number of issues on one of those there was a slide advantage for vote for the eight-year term limit rather than six but again we we recommended to you the to maintaining the six-year limit. The Tears Board felt fairly strongly about requiring what they called an interest in the zone.

[2:08:29] We talked about expanding that beyond owning property in the zone, where you could own property, own a business, or even live or work in the zone. But their recommendation is that at least three members of the board either live, work, or own property, or business in the north part of the zone and three in the south part of the zone. In addition, the tiers board was not in favor of the conflict of interest provision as it's written. Their preference is for council to adopt a consistent city-wide conflict of interest provision that would apply to all boards and commissions as well as the council, rather than having an individual policy that may be different for each board and commission. Again, we did take it to the downtown development commission as well. They were also supportive of the merger. One of their primary concerns was ensuring that their mission continues, that this newly reconstituted board, not just be the tears board, but also continue many of the things that the Downtown Development Commission was working on. They didn't feel as strongly about a 12-member board, they thought nine or 10 members would be a better option. And there was some discussion of including representation of the downtown San Angelo Inc, which is not currently part of the recommendation. One item that I wanted to point out here is that the dissolution of the current Downtown Development Commission does impact our current agreement with the San Angelo Health Foundation. And so you just need to be aware of that fact as well. That's kind of a brief overview of our recommendation. I'd be happy to answer any questions. We've talked about this several times. We've had a lot of meetings. We tried to take it to everyone to see what would be best for everyone involved? I don't have a problem as you have list,

[2:10:30] and the only two things, the only thing I'm saying is a problem is the six or eight years, that's the only conflict. John? Well, the number of board members, you know, 12 or nine or 10, we need an odd number. That's kind of the general rule, but we've discussed this when we did talk about 10, we kind of ended up thinking that's really not too much of a problem, we often have even numbers because somebody's not present on a particular day. I don't have a huge concern if I decided to go with 10, but. How about 11, that way? At least we've got an odd and it's kind of in the middle. Well, I think the real issue is, I think everybody agreed that there should be seven from the council, one for each of you. Again, the county was okay with two appointees from the county, the real question is, do we want to keep the Goodfellow school district and ASU representation? And that's, I mean, we could keep some, but not others, but it's really an all or none. Who are the taxing entities that's in tears? Isn't it just the city and the county? It is the city and the county, and that's all the members that are required by state law to be represented on the board. The school is not, the school does not put any money in this, they're non-profit. That's correct. No, city and the county. Schools used to participate, and now they can't, because of the funding equation. I think it's also important to have downtown San Angelo Inc. in there. I think what's important going forward is instead of having numerous entities working sort of separately with the same goal is that we have as much cohesion as we can. So I would like to see one representative, whoever that board, elects to serve. I think that would be important. But if we want the 12 members, we could do that, couldn't we? Right. I think that's much more important than Goodfellow SAIS and ASU. I agree. I guess the group we primarily work with on the marketing

[2:12:32] components is downtown San Angelo, the chamber. The chamber would be good. And I think who's in that MOU that we have with the different group? The chamber would be good because then it gives you an odd number. And I don't see why it would be a Goodfellow and SAISD, and ASU do not contribute to this fund. I mean, it's good to have them on there. There are folks from the Tears Board that are here that likely would want to speak to that. I'll just say that they felt strongly that the members that have been on the board from those institutions have played a helpful role in providing input to the board. Well, everybody knows that Bill Dendall is an important participant, regardless of where he is. The Old Pendle is always important. Absolutely, and looks very attractive when he's wearing orange on the sidelines at Central High School. But I- Tell me it's not true, Dendall. I have pictures, Mayor. It's not true. He did not wear orange. And nothing I said should diminish his role, but I think like a lot of individuals, when they're representing their council person, they're going to represent hopefully the interests of the district, but also of the interests of the city at large, so. Yeah, or did you have a comment? I have a question for Elizabeth. Why, downtown where you want to ink in there? Well, the membership organization, I think because, again, so that we don't have them working necessarily separately from the interests of the tiers, I think it's good to have a relationship there. as the downtown development commission. No, that's going away. Yeah, I know. I wanted to come back. I don't understand the ink. I'm just asking. That's the organization, I believe, that is Brindigan. That's an angel. Yeah, and then Dale, Lucy.

[2:14:36] No, never mind. Ever grid. Marty, Marty and then me. So John, under this proposal, we'll lose the requirement for anyone to live inside that particular North area. And we'll actually, we could end up with all members outside the city, right? But again, part of our thinking was that you all appoint, and if any one of you has a particular concern that someone be representative of that area, It's always your prerogative to appoint somebody who meets that standard. We just wanted to remove the, we've had problems with other boards and commissions, finding people to serve when the specifics of the people, the requirements that they have to meet are so stringent. And having six members have to live work or own property in the zone, particularly if you adopt the conflict of interest policy that they can't receive funding from the tiers, we thought it might be a little more difficult to find members to serve if they had to be from that zone. I kind of hate to go away from that because it is too separate deals even though it's one tiers group it's divided into two areas one is north and one is downtown I'd hate to lose the northern and that was quite a bit of discussion and one of the reasons for multiple meetings at the was that concern that the North be adequately represented? We also discussed during that, and from an administrative point decided we would do is once we start reviewing the applications for funding that people submit, we probably will break that up into maybe two groups that look at it. You have a North Review Zone and a South because the two areas may have different priorities.

[2:16:38] So while those two groups would look at it, the North Group maybe having representation from the North and the other vice versa then that goes back to the full board for their review with those recommendations and of course then comes to Council. So we were trying to make sure that we safe guarded that North and South participation when it came to the allocation of funds and it meeting what their priorities are in each district. Now we did approve a super majority vote of the City Council before we could take money from the North and put it downtown or take money from downtown and put it in the North. That is is still part about. We're not discussing that. That's correct. That is still in there and will not change. So we will still take six votes of the city council to transfer funds. That's correct. Maybe I have a question on comments, but let's see what Brian has first. He's had his hand up. I was just going to make a comment related to boards. I find it to be much more effective when each one of you have a voice that you can speak to. So that's part of the thinking toward each one of you having a member also it doesn't preclude you from nominating somebody who does live inside that district or work or own business inside that district so you still have the flexibility to do it as you've always done it but you will have a voice that you can go to in the past when I've gotten questions from council members related to the tears board it's always who's my representative and I said well this board doesn't exactly work that way. So it's always much more effective if there's consistency through the boards and commissions. And I wanted to add that I have no problem with this, even if it's like 12 members or 13 members, but sometimes you have difficulty even having people attend to have a meeting, you know, and that's been a problem before. So I have no problem with the way it's set up here. I wanted to also throw in the idea of people get confused on North and South,

[2:18:38] and I wish we could make it the Houston Heart Expressway as far as the dividing line. I think that's an idea I'd throw out there. And thirdly, I would want to look at maybe including the Walmart Super Center now that's being built into the Southern Tears Zone, if that's at all possible. Or maybe even creating its own tier zone out there south of town. I don't know. But either way, I'd like to include it in the south. That'd be my first choice. We can talk about that the first meeting in June. Yeah. Yeah. That's why I was throwing my two cents worth. If you're going to go to that trouble, we can split this and get rid of the whole North and South issue for once and for all. But staffs told me that's not necessary. I don't have a problem with it the way you have it here as far as the members in the six to eight years, that we can negotiate that. Yes, ma'am. Council already has a conflict of interest policy. Someone was reading in there that they wanted Council to have the same, but we already have it. I mean, it's the same as the states, and that's the same as we would be applying here. The Council- No, what's recommended here would be a stricter policy more restrictive than what applies to you all and that was part of the concern of the tears board is that what applies to you all should apply to them rather than this stricter policy but again what we did was incorporate the conflict of interest policy that currently applies to Costa DC and apply that here with funds money or the other two coming from it I count. Never mind. I don't count. I wanted that. 12 plus down to, I mean, yeah, downtown St. Angel Ink would be my chamber. You could do the chamber. The chamber, yeah. For your odd numbers. We ready for some public comment on this? Is that your presentation done? That's

[2:20:44] it? Yeah. I know Mr. Flueger has something to say. Mr. Flueger? Council? Mayor? I'm Lee I'm Lee Flueger, I'm Chairman of the Tears Board. And I look forward to working with you to get the right thing. Give you a little background, about six years ago. I would love to have the South Walmart in there, but I remember whenever we put this thing together and Liz was helping us with it, and we didn't go through the city because it would take too long. We did it in about two months. It was private funding that put the tears together. And I think they said it'd probably take a year if the city did it. But you've got to do it before the property taxes are assessed against any particular property. Once they're assessed for the first time, then there's no benefit in that incremental difference. And I don't know when they're going to assess on this one and whether it could be done in time, but to run a little leg out there like we did in the north zone would be just absolutely fabulous. Let me address a couple of three issues that y'all have brought up and it looks, we have a fabulous tears board. We currently operate with three vacancies, which are city appointments. So we operate now with 12 active members. members. Three members are from outside the taxing situation, and the reason that we put originally put those three entities into the mix was because we felt like that Goodfella with its young population, ASU with its young population, were shareholders in being able

[2:22:47] to make the Historic City Center an active, vibrant place. They were supplying the market, if you would say that, of people that would use the kind of facilities that we were trying to develop downtown. Now, what that has evolved into this point is that those three entities, and we added the school because they have some young people coming up going to be using hopefully the downtown area. We started this you know there wasn't a great deal back in 92 when we started there wasn't anything downtown and there had been some development on some clubs and restaurants downtown. What we found out as we got through and that's why on your survey you know that one of the questions that was asked to the board that got a response of of 1.5, I believe, was how detrimental it would be. And it would be detrimental if you took the expertise and skill sets of the good fellow people and the ASU and independent school district people off of the tears board. And they said it would be very detrimental to the board. And one of the reasons is that those three entities do a lot of long-term planning. And that's what this board does is long-term planning. And if you go into what new skill sets are going to be needed to do the downtown development corporation mission statement, long-term planning is another area that will be even more critical as we go forward. That's why those three positions, although Bill, as you said, Bill is going to be good wherever he is.

[2:24:47] But those three entities are stakeholders, and they supply the users for the downtown, and they are long-term planners. And that's why it came out on that survey to be very detrimental if you dock those people off the board. There are other people that could be put on the board, obviously. We're taking four, the county is represented right now by four people and they're dropping that number down to two. I think we need to be, we need to be very sensitive of the county because they supply a lot of the money that's going into the north and to the south zones. And and I'll get into that maybe a little bit later that there were three issues that other than what was on our survey that I guess you received a copy of is that right is that we talked about the reason we brought up to or multiple up to eight years is because your terms are now set at eight years and we thought I I mean, we're fine with sex, but what we thought was in terms of what Brian has to do to appoint people to positions, if as somebody came on the board, they wanted to, you serve two-year terms and go off any time, we serve at your pleasure, whatever it may be. But when a new counsel person came on, if they wanted to appoint somebody new, they could do it at that time and that person's term would last to the end of their term and not be cut off at the end of their, at six years of their term and then they'd have to come in to point somebody else. That's where the eight years came in and that's at your pleasure where you think that's good or not. The other thing that Charlotte talked about earlier is

[2:26:52] applies to us as well as to the council is if you get too much turnover, you lose continuing program and these are long-term programs that we're working with to try to develop at least the direction for the downtown development and for the north zone development. If you You turn it over too fast, you just don't get as much long-term skill sets that know what's going on with your organization. Again, the three issues were the eight years that we voted unanimously, we thought would be better eight years, and the reason was because it coincided with your eight years. We were all very pleased with the consistency of the board based on qualifying board members to be dedicated to either the north zone or the south zone. We felt that was critical to be sure that you get the kind of dedicated volunteers on this board that know what's going on in the community and that can talk to the other people in the zone to try to get people encouraged to participate in the tears program. Personally, I think the south zone is going to be fine. The north zone, I think, I think if you had people that were either living, working, or own property in the zone would be very, very positive. Again, you can impart the way it's written now. You can point anybody you want to. and probably with this with this council and with the realization that it has been

[2:28:54] zone qualified in the past y'all are probably going to go with zone people but this is going to be another 20 year program and I just think for the long term if it's always mentioned people just forget and then all of a sudden Brian's going to be out there and a new person comes in well I got a friend that that lives in Paul and and I want to put them on the tier zone. If you're in the zone you're going to know the people that are operating in the zone and you can convince the people in the zone and sell the people in the zone that what's being afforded to them under this program is going to be a good program go forward with them. The other the other area that we we brought up again we voted unanimously we got this very very late and I know the mayor and I've talked about the conflict of interest we really feel like the conflict of interest aspects of our program and all city programs ought to be the same and basically it should be the state requirement for conflict of interest. Specifically it looks like it's the comment that was made in our last meeting is that it's discriminatory to have a and all our board does is recommend if when you look through your deal here our responsibilities to recommend recommend recommend recommend recommend you guys of the one that's spending the money, we don't. All we're on there is to recommend to you what we think is good, just like Mike Boyd does. Have somebody on the board or try to disqualify anybody on the board or to keep people from coming on the board who have property in the zone is detrimental to the kind of skill sets that we need

[2:30:57] to recommend to you the best people and the best programs for you to spend the money. Again all we do is recommend and this is really discriminatory to people and you're trying to get what this does is try to get as many people on the board who do not own property in the zone and whose children are either under employed or don't own property in the zone and who basically have no interest in the zone. If you have a good conflict of interest program that coincides with the State of Texas laws and let let those people and your council at the same time work under the State of Texas laws that's what the the terrorist board recommends that all boards are the same and you don't discriminate against one or two boards. Those are my, I think if we do go forward with the conflict of interest in order to attract good people on the board, it really has to be defined. I read it different than most people. If you've got a conflict of interest, it ought to, you shouldn't participate in the program in promoting that program on your board. You can recuse yourself, but the project can go forward. But if you say, if you're an owner of a property, then the property, because of its ownership, and you only discriminate on ownership, Cannot receive funding It's not seem appropriate if if it's a great project and it's good for the for the long-term Health and quality of life our community. It shouldn't be disqualified just because somebody owns it. I could any other questions I

[2:33:02] Look forward to we do disagree there. I know we do. I mean we do we disagree. I mean that's That's nothing wrong with disagreement. We talk about it straight up. Well, as far as that goes, it appears to me if we're going to, if we're concerned about not having people live work or own property inside the zones because it'll be hard to get people do that and the conflict of interest is doing the exact same thing it's going to make it hard because people aren't going to want to suffer. That's correct. So I think we we we either got to look at redoing one or adding to the other. But then on the other hand on the conflict of interest you are dealing with public money and what the conflict of interest law says that I would like in there is that if you are a board member on this board. You are not eligible for the tax money from that board nor are your children nor are your grandchildren. Now it's it's it is very unethical for someone to own property and to settle on a board and to appropriate tax money for their own benefit. That to me that is totally against all the ethics that that we all have to live by. This is in our coast of DC board because they deal with public money. It's in the tears board because the tears board deals with that deals with public money. The other boards do not deal with public money to this extent. And a lot of them deal with no public money at all. But if any public tax money is involved, a board member should not be able to allow, he should not be able, nor his children nor his grandchildren, to appropriate tax money for their own benefit. And if they own property, it is for their benefit. So I certainly want this ethics code in there. It protects the city, it protects the board members,

[2:35:03] and they know it going in. If they own property, they're not going to be able to appropriate money for themselves out of the public fund. But if they have a conflict of interest they can. Pardon me? But if they have a conflict of interest they can. It is a conflict of interest. I know that it is, but if there is a conflict of interest on somebody on the board, well all they have to do is recuse themselves. I disagree, I disagree. needs to be saying that he wants a different process he wants them to not be eligible at all right I don't want a board member appropriating tax money for his own work or for his own business or his own property frankly we've had this as you we have had it as you would say to me we've had this discussion recently and you're not sure why you're doing it again is that applied to my uncle or my cousin or my children children that participant children and grandchildren children. And there's a word saying genuity or something. Well let me first of all there's a couple of different things. First of all the charter changes that we just went through last fall addressed conflicts of interest and they bound you guys to the state law requirements which require recusal and filling out in some cases an affidavit explaining what your conflict is. What the ordinance is proposing is up to the second degree of both blood and marriage. I don't like saying that word So, it's your child or parent, grandchild, sister, brother, or grandparent, which is what second degree by blood would be. Marriage expands that to spouse, mother-in-law, father-in-law, daughter-in-law, step-children. Your spouse is grandchildren, so it goes even further than just what you've just indicated you'd like. Well, I think you've... I think that you've... I don't have a problem with if you've got a conflict of interest, but I think a conflict of interest is the lawyer. If I'm on the board and I'm a lawyer and I represent somebody

[2:37:04] who owns property, and I've got to understand your rules, but as I understand it under this program, the lawyer that's on your board can just recuse himself and the project can go forward, even though he gained substantially from that program. However, if you own the property, you can't, but the lawyer that represents him, he can get, he can, the project can go forward and he can get the benefit out of it. Are the architect, are the architect that handles the program, if he's on the board? We can make this as complicated as we want to. We can use seriously. Can we talk about some other things too, Mayor? Go ahead. But I'm not sure that I have, I don't have any problem with the good fellow SAISD and ASU appointments, but I do think we should include downtown San Angelo Inc. and I do think it would be a good idea to include the chamber. One thing that's bothering me is that we haven't really talked at all about the DDC functions because there's a difference between what was the work of the tiers and what was the work of the Downtown Development Commission. And when we started talking about consolidation, I still see this as a board that is supposed to guide development more so than necessarily respond to the user and not that those have to be disconnected. But I see that might be where I question those three at the bottom. We're still looking for a development, a pro-development entity, I think, out of this consolidation. And speaking for the revitalization of downtown

[2:39:06] and the north side of the Chadburn corridor, however we want to refer to it, in a way that is pro- revitalization development. And so I don't necessarily see this as the user organization, which might be more represented by downtown San Angelo Inc. Those are just my thoughts after listening to the other. On the conflict of interest, I think it's very important that the two entities that have the ability to recommend funding are treated differently than the other boards and commissions. And so I think that the discussion we had about five, six months ago, I would leave in place. As to the term, I think the term, as you say, if it's kind of parallel to a council term is fine. The people that have called me, though, really want to see turnover, and they want to see that there is new opportunity for service. And I think that's very important. I think you and I talked about that before, in that in order to build a revitalization effort, you really want to get more people involved and have a sense of ownership and not keep them out. So I think it's important though that there be turnover and someone doesn't necessarily serve for 15 or 20 years. There has been a good bit of turnover through sickness and they'd have to give me that. And they'd have to give me that and Brian, I tried to get that data and there's just really not any records that show who served when and how. But there's a two year term and so any of the people on the board can be replaced in two years. And if the board gets stale in any way, in your opinion or if on the other hand somebody's

[2:41:08] not performing up to par as they should. And this, we've just got a fabulous group. I mean, you know, and you get a fabulous group together, you say, well, let's stay with it. But the turnover is definitely a good thing. And we have had turnover. Not all at the same time. Did you have a question? Yes, ma'am. Why is the City Council not filled with three vacant positions that have been banked for quite some time. This ordinance has been under discussion for the entire time, so. We were waiting until the change. Okay, yes ma'am. I remember now, thank you, yeah. Have any other questions? Have any other public comment on this? Are you through, sir? I'm at your service, whatever you decide. Oh, Lee, thank you very much. Thank you, sir. And while Jim's coming up here, I'm okay with just the way it is, plus adding downtown San Angelo and getting over it. Well, I think the chamber needs to be involved in that as well. I think the chamber is, I think the downtown San Angelo, the chamber. And down San Angelo and the chambers what she said. No, but there's like the three. Well, okay. Wait, I'm Jim Turner. Just a couple of points on a board like this. One of the things you do have to remember, you can actually have members that are also non-voting And that might be appropriate for some of these other organizations. We're going to have involved. We want to have part of it, but have the people that represent the tax paying district be the voting members. And everybody else be pretty much an ex officio member. Still there, still involved. Still part of the decision making process, but they don't have a vote at the end of it. They're there for influence input and coordination and direction, but they're not part of the vote.

[2:43:08] And I think that may be what you would look at for something like good fellow SISD as you have them as non-voting members that are still very important, but they don't get to take it say yes or no. On conflict of interest, I think that's something that is a city, it needs to be looked at on an ongoing basis. So that as we understand more what the conflict is is because you can have a conflict downtown where the property owner themselves really has very little to do with the property would be good to have on the board. The person who would benefit the most from it is a business owner down there that is renting the property, something like that. And that comes up a lot, especially in a downtown type situation. Conflict of interest is complicated, but you need to look at is somebody on a board going to be benefiting more or unfairly because of their position on the board and that's what conflict is there to prevent. It's not there to prevent somebody from ever benefiting is to make sure that they benefit the same as if they weren't on the board. That's what it's there for. It's not to keep them from benefiting, it's to make sure that they don't benefit at the expense or unfairly off of somebody else. Thank you. And just as a caveat to that, the conflict of interest does say that if someone gets off of the board for six months, then they can reapply and be considered. So it's not a death sentence. It just says if you want money for something, you need to get off the board for six months and then come back and your application will be considered. Further public comment? Who's going to get there first? Council Travis dribbling I'm a tears board member, and I want to I want to kind of piggyback on

[2:45:12] what mr. Flueger was saying about the importance of having board members that have An investment within these zones It doesn't necessarily have to be owning property, but to work to live to have a business in these areas If you're involved with it daily and you see what areas can be improved, I think it's very beneficial to the board. It's not just about the other people that you might know because of the involvement that you have in that area, but it's being able to recognize where those dollars could benefit that area the most. So that's it. Thank you. Thank you there. Thank you Council. My name is Del Velosquez. I'm the executive director of downtown I just wanted to make a couple of observations, one that was discussed was there were records issues with who's appointed and when they were appointed and all that kind of thing. None appeared to point fingers, but for us to do away with what is already established as a Tears Board and a downtown development commission, because of an error, if you will, in bookkeeping doesn't make it right, right? Too wrong, it's don't make it right. So my right as a downtown San Angelo, I would recommend that the Tears Board be the Tears Board and the Downtown Development Commission, if that does continue to exist or be part of this whole process, be the Downtown Development Commission, As far as, well, I'm just going to share a personal story. You may or may not know, I served as the Vice President of the AT&T Foundation for three years. And that was an appointment. It was an appointment by a public entity, private entity, excuse me.

[2:47:13] And that appointment was, for several reasons, AT&T discovered that it was better to allow someone three years to distribute $70 million a year. That was the budget that we had to work with. And one of my arguments at that time was because I wanted to stay in that job just to share another little bit of a story. I used to travel between Washington to see in New York City frequently, and about 90% of the time I had to call someone to go have dinner with me when I was over nighting. But when I became the vice president of the AT&T Foundation, I arrived at three o'clock on a Sunday afternoon, and by six o'clock I had six invitations for dinner because of the fact that I was now in control of more or less $70 million. The continuity aspect of that position, we had a staff, and that staff maintained the books, they maintained the accounting, and all those grants that we gave out, more multiple year grants. So, and the entity that was receiving the grants would be accountable for what they did with those funds back to AT&T, and then we would then distribute the funds accordingly once they met their obligation. And so in terms of how we fund, I mean, I know City staff does the tracking and making sure that what was committed to was being taken care of, I believe that in terms of the board members themselves, who they are, it can be, and as we talked about, a new energy, a new Process new people at the game that get involved and be able to discern what we need to do for the north and the south tears So I just wanted to make those that those points in relationship to what we're discussing

[2:49:18] The idea that we are looking at Starting a slate fresh with a clean slate if you will of members that have served on this board for years over the extended time of their term. I think it's a bad idea. I think we need to replace people as accordingly to the bylaws and we will continue to be successful. Tears will not fall apart if certain people or individuals who have served on those boards aren't there, so I want to make it. And I also want to thank you. I do believe downtown San Angelo plays an important role, especially for the South tiers. I don't think there's anyone that is as knowledgeable about what goes on in downtown, and feel free to ask me any question you want about what's going on in downtown, I can tell you. I deliver it every day. And so I believe downtown San Angelo is critical to be on this board as well. Thank you. Thank you, Dale. Yes, Charlotte? Mr. Velasquez said a word that made me think continuity. When we first started talking about combining these boards, I'm going to give you my reason that I thought and still think that it's a good idea. We have the Downtown San Angelo Inc. We have the Downtown Development Corporation. We have tears south, tears north. everybody is doing their thing for what they want in their part of the city and I'm going to use this as a comparison I served on the airport board and when we went to do the remodeling you know for the front myself and Mr. Hirschfield and well everybody agreed it needed to flow the continuity to make it a part of St. Angelo needed to flow the same as the Chamber of Commerce you know their

[2:51:18] building. It flows. It connects the city. I don't see the four boards that we're talking here basically about. They do their thing, their own thing, what they want to do. And to me there's no continuity in how the city goes. Downtown does what they want, what they think is good. And personally I was raised in a family that we shared. Plain and simple. That was the rule. And if we didn't like it, that was tough. I wanted to be a part of sharing with my family, even if I had to wear my hands hand me down and stuff like that, but we shared. And I want to see these groups, these committees work together and split like they are. I don't see the continuity of it at all. I don't know how the rest of the council feels, but we need continuity for what's best for the city, not just tears north or tears south. You need what's best for the city overall. And that was my reasons for combining and trying to tighten the ship, so to speak. That's, I feel is best for the city. Right, and yes, I agree with what you just said, Ms. Farmer, but you're absolutely right. We don't seem to work together. I think the downtown, I worked with the Downtown Development Commission. I would represent downtown San Angelo at the meetings, and I would call for and ask for the fact that at some of those meetings, tears was not there. And other entities that were interested in the Downtown Development Project, I felt very strongly that there was a disconnect. And you're absolutely right. there is a disconnect, and we do need to work together. But at this current time, in terms of how that structure was set up,

[2:53:21] and this is what came to mind when I said, I wanted to clarify, make sure that I'm clear on this, we talked earlier about the difference between the north and the south in the tier zones. And I'm very aware of some of the battles that have taken place between the north and the south tier. And so, and some of the same thing goes on with other, within these other organizations, unfortunately. But to bring in the Downtown Development Commission, that kind of sways the South tiers, even though I'm pro-South tiers, it does put more emphasis on the South tiers if you get more members of the Downtown Development Commission and to the tears board, does that make sense? So that's where I was coming from on that, just to be clear. But based on what those two just said, I'm even more advocate of people coming from those zones in. And I agree with the fix to get slammed. It's two different funding sources, so they need to be separate. Exactly. And there's nothing that ever prevented that. I don't know why when it was first set up, why it went that way, why they put it all in one. But most cities do have separate tier zones. You can have as many tier zones as you want in a community. And be defined by funding sources. Right. Let's set up the Southwest portion of the town. No, wait a minute, wait, easy. The thing is, you have to remember that when you create a tier, you are keeping money from flowing into the general fund. So tears are created very judiciously for the purpose of targeting revitalization and redevelopment. Our problem at the time, hello Mr. Dendell. Our problem at the time was we were cheap,

[2:55:23] and we had two opportunities and one pocket full of money, and so we created this difficult thing. I mean in the future it would be nice if we could separate them. I'm not certain why though it's necessary that we create a new tears board. I thought we were just going to downsize the board and look for opportunities to move over the DDC members that wanted to continue serving so that we truly had a consolidation and that doesn't sound like what we're doing at all. I can answer that more maybe than I can but by state law you have to have a tears board so it would be called a tears board and then consolidated what was being proposed was that you could move members, you could appoint new members, that would be up to your discretion, but it was never the staff's intent that all members be eliminated, that's left up to the appointing entities to either reappoint those people or not. What you're talking about is a potential combining of both boards totally, which would make it how many member boards? No, no, no, as people, as- Through attrition. Through attrition, as a place was left vacant, as we know we have, then if a DDC member wanted to move over into that and it was appropriate we do, because we're not creating a new tier zone, you wouldn't let me split it, so I'm not sure why we are here saying we're actually creating a new tiers board. We're just changing the bylaws and the makeup of the board. You're making the responsibilities of that board, you're combining the responsibilities into one board, and you could either do it through attrition, which was one thing that had been discussed early on. There was some differing opinion of that on the board. Some felt that was good. Some felt combined, some start over. There was just a difference. So this is where we landed as far as a staff recommendation. OK, so but to Dale's point, we have records of who served and how long they've served. They're in the minutes. I mean, they exist in the minutes if nowhere else.

[2:57:25] That was actually one of the reasons, as Rick mentioned, when we started this, one of the proposals are options that we looked at was actually merging the two and having like a 20-member board and then through attrition it would reduce down to some other number. One of the things we looked at though is we currently have four members who have exceeded the current term limit. We have I'd have to look but three or four more that will be expiring within the next year to two years and so part of the concern and part of the reason we wanted to start fresh was to restart the clock and not have a large turnover in the board within the next one or two years, where well over half the board would have to be replaced because of term limits. Again, that's up to you all, but that's one of the reasons that was discussed for basically starting fresh. Practically, the only difference really is that you all would have a fresh start. You could reappoint people who are already on there, on tears or DDC, or if you felt there was new blood needed, you could reappoint somebody new, but that would be left up to each individual appointing entity. Some of the issues related to the history and the minutes of the appointments. Some of the appointments were not made on a timely basis, some of the reappointments, which extended people's terms, in some case an additional two years, They weren't reappointed for their second term until they had already been there for years. So the timeliness of those reappointments were also a concern in the spirit of the way the ordinance was written. May I ask a question, Ms. James? Yes, you may. Do we have a phone call coming in and then? We do. We have another meeting that starts with noon, yes. It's 1157. That's almost noon.

[2:59:27] Exactly. And can Bill say his peace right away? Oh, yeah, we need to get Bill in. We can go back. Got to have Bill. Bill, down to the last serve on the tears board. Thank you, Mayor and Council for the opportunity to do that. There seems to be a misnomer that there's a battle every day on the tears board. The cheers board serves as an autonomous group. Some of us happen to be from the north. Some of us happen to be from the south. But the funding is there's not any wiggling of funding. The funding is set. We know where the North Zone money is going. We know where the South Zone money is going. Just because I live in the North Zone doesn't mean that I'm unconcerned with what happens in the South Zone. I can have my input on that board. There are some experts, some people that are more expertly adapt that are acutely aware of what's going on in the South Zone than I am in the North. I'll depend on their opinions to help me in my decision making that process. And I know that the South members of the board depend on the North members of the board just because we're more familiar with the situation. There's not really a separation of that board. We just happen to live and work in separate areas of the city, but that doesn't mean that we're not concerned with the overall position of the city of San Angelo and how it goes forward to this point. So, as far as the battle is concerned, there's not really a battle that happens within those meetings every month, every time we just want. We wanna see the projects that some have been long-term, that have been set even before I got on the board. And some of those projects are still ongoing. We don't have $70 million a year to operate, as Ms. Velazquez said in his funds. we have a portion of that, a very, very minute portion of that. And some of those projects that we have on the board actually take years of fun gathering to complete.

[3:01:29] And some of those projects are still ongoing. And so that's where our sustainability and continuity come involved with some of those long-term projects, board tone over. We've got board tone over right now. There's about 10 board members currently on the board. I would say that probably five of those are tenured, and five of those are fairly new. So here is turnover, and it's going to happen. And we welcome that, too. But I just wanted to say that, again, there's not continual strife and a nashing of teeth on a monthly basis on the tears board. You can serve me, though, when you put the orange on. Very much, that blue is a common color. I actually serve in duality on the board right now, but I'm more representative of the North serving councilman self spot, as far as a member of the board, but I also represent SASD as a large populist group that actually takes part and spends money in those two zones. So as a member of SASD, I represent all schools in San Angelo, not just one. I do happen to live on the north side and may know more about those situations than other. lick bill the councilman service you may be the politician we we represent no party thank you Thank you bill It's 1201. We're gonna have to call this and come back and make our vote later I think if there is any more public comment that we can get I'll take public comment and then it'll just be a matter coming back and making our vote with the comment that we have so is there anymore Yes, I'm a lead flueger tears board you know you got 20 people kind of pick from and and starting over again kind of you can pick if you're gonna consolidate the way I kind of visualize it you're gonna just pick maybe out of those or other people to to staff whatever's left

[3:03:29] there and we were really worried about taking the responsibilities of of the development function of downtown into the tears board because they're different skill sets and we and that was one of the reason we're really worried about reducing the size of the board to nine people and we just needed more skill sets in order to do both of those functions very effectively thank you sir it is 1202 let me read the closed session opening executive session of the revision of government code title five open government ethics subtitle a open and government chapter 551 open meeting sub-chapter D, exceptions requirements. Meetings be open under the following sections. A, section 55107118. Consoled with the turning of the governmental body six, the advice is turning by pinning or competent plated litigation regarding number one, 213 seal coding program contract number two. Marta for Hearst Field Energy Systems, L-L-C-E-T-L. Mayor, we're just recessing this meeting, I'm sorry. We're just recessing this meeting to have the joint meeting with Co-C-D-C. we're not going into executive session yet. A waste of all of that? You did. I'm sorry, I didn't catch your specimen. When are we going to do this executive for these items that are remaining? We can do it immediately afterwards, I suppose, if you would like to. And I need to read it. Number three, template construction in court. We also need to recess this meeting for that one as well. OK. And number four, Denise Kendall's Vibes, Creole SA, ZBA. 1-6-C-O-7-0-L-2-32-21-Red Bluff Road, and we've already done B. This meeting has been recessed. We will be meeting with the CO at the Costa DC Board, going into our executive as it's been read, and when it's over, we will be back to resume this meeting. Is that correct? That's right. It's 12-0-3.

[3:05:29] Yes, the joint session is over, the executive's over, and I'm calling this meeting back to order. We are still on item number D, which is the tax increment reinvestment zone. We have taken public comment. We have taken council comment. I guess I just need a motion for someone to make a motion that somewhat clarifies whether we wanna go with 12 members or nine members. We need to know whether we want six years or eight years. And I'll make a motion that we go with 14 members, 12 members that are shown here now, seven from the council, two from the county, three good fellow SaaSDSU, and we want to include downtown San Angelo and the chamber of commerce. Did you want to make any of those positions non-voting? Yes. I would like, I'll go ahead and make the good fellow SaaSDSU non-voting. Now, six years would be, is my motion. I don't have a problem with that. Someone wants to second it. If not, we'll make another one. Can I ask, I'll second it, but why don't we just have the city and the county as the voting members, just to keep it clean? And the chamber in the downtown San Angelo, Inc. are treated the same way as the other three? I will amend my motion to note that. away the taxing entities are the ones that make the vote right and then we didn't address jolly in your motion can we address the conflict of interest that it remain i guess as it is consistent with coast and i will also yes add that to my motion to as it remains as it is we seek coast of dc right now yes second second second second second have a motion i do have a second we have a you're or they can be nominated from anywhere

[3:07:31] we need to put something in there that we must have three from the north side I think I would you amended I would have mended My last amendment Yeah, you have all that Brian three from the north three from the north three of the city We'll need to designate who's going to appoint those north versus I mean Usually what happens is if you don't say which council members are assigned to that then their turn comes up and it becomes gone. This is part of it. This is part of it. Leave it as a council decision. Right now it will work because mayor and then she's four and he's two so we've got three votes now but when I'm not here then it's going to change. We still have four and two but the mayor probably won't be from the North. When you're not there you may still have a mayor from we might be. A minimum of three. would just say two forward to mayor will pick someone from the Northside. I mean we're gonna have council that leaves four up open that gives three positions and Brian are you clear on my motion now? I'm about to be I'm making some notes I can read it back in and Claire have all these extra voices coming out of me that to me that if you're wanting to play fair here and you're saying you have to have that then you have to have three from the south side also. Just leave it where you're pointing someone from your district and it's fair, it's citywide. Except for the mayors at large, the mayor can vote whoever they want from whatever area. I will say that that makes it entirely easier to manage. I like it better to do that one. Otherwise the most cities represent, because you could, technically you could get into a possibility where there's six or seven from the north side and only one from the south side, so why not just leave it? Otherwise your time a future elected officials hand to do something that he might not. I'm gonna amend my motion for the 20th time

[3:09:38] but now You do understand where we're going as staff presented okay with the exceptions of there only being nine voting positions between the city and the county and And the three appointments from Goodfellow Air Force Base, SAIS-D ASU, will be added to two more from downtown San Angelo and the Chamber of Commerce as non-voting members. Other, as staff, as staff recommended other than that. Now, let's clarify this. Just because the individual council members pick a board member, they don't have to pick someone out of their district. and they could pick someone out of the other districts. And we could end up with no one from the North side. So I think we need to have a minimum of three from the North side, regardless of who picks them. It's just, you need, that's just the make up of the board. Three from the North side to represent the North tiers, and the rest of them can be from anywhere to represent the South tiers and the rest of the tiers. But I think we need that three in there. Just three would be voting for the someone from the North side if they're taking someone from their district. Yeah, but we don't have to take someone from my district. No, I thought we were talking about, we should take on it. They don't even have to be from the city. No, we don't have to take people from the city. I don't like that at all. We could add that into the motion that they have to be from the district. And that would give two, and possibly the mayor. And possibly. But if we put that, the plan is to have three of them from the north side to represent the north side tiers. You know, it could be vided up amongst the mayor and the six members, just as long as there was three of them from the North Side. And two of them are already from the North Side. So you just have one that's. Doesn't it go back again? That's what my argument was that you could technically have ever one of them from the North Side if you say that. But you could technically have ever one of them from the South Side. Not if you do it the way I was, where each person voted votes

[3:11:40] for someone from their district. And the whole city is represented every point of the city is represented because you're picking a person from that exact district. Then that would require that amendment because the board recommendations that we have now, we are not. We do not have to pull out our own district. I can point anybody from down to represent me and so could Marty. It doesn't have to be from the district. I'm asking for it to be changed. I would like for him to do. So the motion just needs to state that each member of the council will appoint somebody from their district or I like constituents. I'll let it give two members. But the thing is, Mayor, if you're going to represent the north side and you want to make sure the north side is taken care of, you have the ability to nominate from within your district. And when you quit doing that, then you're not further protecting the north side. That's why I would like to say that there would be three members on the board from the north side. And just leave it at that. The rest of them can be from anywhere. But we have to do. I'm not even sure what my motion is anymore. Well, and one clarification I would like to get is as the Tears Board recommended that that representation could be somebody who lived, worked, or owned property, we just want to get clarification if that's your intent. or if it's just a resident of that district, which of those options is your intent? I just don't want the North side to be left without any representation. And I can see how it can happen. I don't think that would happen. But I, to contradict you, I can see how the South side would be left without any representation also. That could technically happen the very same way. If we say that there will be three from the North, and the rest of them from anywhere else, then we have three from the North. It's in the ordinance. I think the fairest thing to do is to each person,

[3:13:43] a point who they want, represent their district. If you choose somebody from the south side, you're already skewing the numbers. But anything else is, I think, a little bit contrived. I think that's the easiest way to do it. because the more additions you add to it, the more difficult it is to track. That's been part of the problem with the history of the positions on this board, is what position are they in, was not clearly delineated in the minutes. That's been part of the confusion from the first day that I stepped into this office I met with planning and development, and we went through the history of it. What's the clarification on the motion? It's his motion. What's your clarification, John? My clarification is I'm going to amend it to read the seven appointed by council representing their districts. Okay. That's what I'd like to see. I think that's the simplest, easiest. Residing from within their district. Within their district. They reside within their district. That they would reside. Work or play. reside or work within the district that becomes harder to verify their single member districts that they represent reside within the districts I represent okay that's the person that I would want to point lives in my district has a business in the tears district when I have a point it owns a business in my district and I'm okay with that he didn't live in my district but he owns a business in my district. Your emotion would preclude you from being able to appoint that person. Well I would say resides or owns a business in the

[3:15:46] district. Oh my god it's more difficult to to manage that I mean to verify owns property in the district property from within this that work. That would be a be a personal or be in business. The recommendation of the board was own property or own a business or live or go. That's my amendment. Owns property. I'm glad I'm glad I knew I was going to get it right one time. Owns property. Owns property. Owns property in the district. That's what I meant. Keep the cost of DC ethics code as it is in the cost of DC. That was staff recommended. Staff recommended six years. That was staff recommended. And 14 members, five of which are non-voting. The voting members will be members of the county and of the city who are the taxing entities that are represented. That's what I have. And that's the most, isn't it? That is it. Did anybody second that? I second it. But I still have a question. Okay, your question. Clarify the district. Are you talking about the tiers district? Are you talking about the single member district? The single member district. Okay. The single member district. Of course, the mayor would be at large. If in the district, but on property in the single member district, it's not what he was. I'm good with that. I'm good with that. On property, whether it's a residence or a business, if they own a business building, land. Are we ready to vote? Can I ask a question, since we've already protracted this, why are we creating a new tears board? Why aren't we just reducing or changing the number and changing the bylaws accordingly. We're bringing in that the other board and making. I don't know that we really are. We're just bringing in their function. Running the rules, we're dissolving it

[3:17:47] and we're building a new board using and those members are all available for membership in the new board. The scope of the new ordinance takes on the duties of the DDC. It takes on all those duties because we don't feel the DDC's charge is over. there's still more to be done so it's consolidated. Okay, I got one. A lot of ways, it's just semantics. It's just, we're gonna still have a tears board, it's just gonna change in the way it operates because everybody was expiring and it's just simpler to have a new start date for all these new members that we're coming on. What do you? And I understand your position as far as conflict of interest, but I think sometime in the future, we need to look at everyone being under the same conflict conflict of interest. And I think state guidelines is about it, you know, basically handles that. So aren't we already? No. This one's a little stricter because they handle money. I think when you handle money, I think you need to have the strictest guidelines possible to protect our citizens. I agree. Okay, we've got a motion finally. Are we through with questions? Are we through with public comment? Yes, sir. The tears board felt very, very strong about that whoever is on the board actually has activities within the tears zone, in the north zone in the south zone. And I agree with him, if you're going to say there's going to be three, and I really think the north needs to be protected on that, that there are three positions and just state which single-member districts would appoint which one front and then they have to be from the north zone and it does tie their hands but it makes sure that it's always there. I tried bad and it didn't fly. Well I'm I'm just saying

[3:19:47] that's what the tears the tears board was really dedicated to the fact it's not just somebody that lives out by good fellow air force base and that's where he stays all the time and he never goes downtown or he never goes up on North Chadburn. It needs to be someone who lives or owns property in the zone. Not just in town. Well I've got to I've got to pick to the animal control board and in my position I have to pick a veterinarian. I mean that is part of the rules that's part of the mayor's pick it has to be a veterinarian. To try to get the problem right to try to get the best piece people possible they go you know when I get Johnny Calvert, when we have our meetings, and he comes to our meetings, he drives down North Chadburn. Bill drives up North Chadburn and down every day, and they know exactly what's going on in that project that's been going on for four and a half years. We get a first-hand report every time he comes in and out. I'd love to get that in there if I could get the motion and the second amended, that there would be three members from the North on the two years board, regardless of who appoints them. three way we were doing it if they work there if they have property there if they live there within the zone I like that I mean it's broad it's huge and that's what he was asking for something same thing single-member just district three that I'm in encompasses North and South so it's not doing the one are you it could be anybody but they yeah but it just need to be for him it needs to be designated single-membered if to one needs to have somebody from the North Zone and that's who they pick. They can let they can have property in North Zone and live in in wall. There's been a motion in the second and it lets John wants to amend that and Liz puts wants to me in the second we're gonna have to vote on that. I'm happy to believe that somehow or another we need the interest has to be

[3:21:49] demonstrated that you own work or live within the zone. That also becomes very hard to find people that are living in. I can do it. We've got it. You're pointing all three people and that's not very don't we have it now. Miss Flugger. I can do it. You're in control. It's really but you are and you are in control. It's more convoluted than them right now. That would be easier. It's much more difficult than that right now this is this would be relatively easy compared to what we have there I'm telling you you'll find people there but before you had to make it I'll pull my motion on the ure restructuring well before you had to make an appointment okay we need to talk one guy just had to own property the next guy had to had to work there and the next guy had to do this now you make it so broad you'll find somebody that either works there has property there was not in the motion that they did well not in the motion but it's in the proposal the original proposal from and also keep in mind that with this will come back for a second reading that could have an additional edit well it'll be part of the old business okay I am going to pull my motion because I believe Marty has it down because you pull in your second yes I move that we reorganized the tears board making it a board 14 board with five night voting then those five have been discussed that we that the council of point single member districts because it'll have to be outlined by district two three and two three and four and then we'll appoint

[3:23:55] someone that lives works or owns property in the north the north and the other three in the south. One five and six from the south and in the mayor at I told them to do that. I'm just now. The other three from the staff. The mayor can do whatever he wants to do or he or she can do whatever she wants to do. Yeah. I'm fine with that. For clarification. We keep the ethics code as is in because of the C as is as is represented. Staff recommendation. So let me clarify if I can. Okay. The motion is to accept or to accept the first reading of this ordinance as presented with the changes of there being 14 members, five of them non-voting as discussed. You'll remember districts two, three, and four would nominate a representative who lives, works, or owns property in the North tier zone, one, three, and five, or one, I'm sorry, one, five, and six would nominate someone who lives, or works, or owns property in the south zone, and the mayor would be free to nominate at large. And South Zone, not in my district. If your district's in the South Zone, you're not in the north. Lives were a single member district. You would have the opportunity to nominate someone who lives, works, or owns property in the South Zone. South Zone, is it my district in the zone? No. Well, they could possibly live in your district, though. It's not a requirement. No, it's not. I'm calling for the vote. Somebody's got a second. Who second? Second. Do you have the motion? I do have a second. We've already been over it.

[3:25:55] We've had comment. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, nay. Nay. Put a 6-1 on that one, please, sir. And now we're staying with it. Discussion and consideration of amendments to the bylaws for the tax intercom and reinvestment zone board, John James. Yeah, real quickly. This item only takes one vote. But since you all recommended changes on the ordinance item. My recommendation will be to table the bylaws. We'll have to go back and rework the ordinance and the bylaws to make it consistent with your motion on the previous item. And then we'll bring second reading on the ordinance and we'll bring the bylaws back next time. Do we table it or just take no action? I don't know what the protocol is, whether it's table. You need to post poem this to the next meeting and all we need is consensus. Can we post poem that one? It's already done. Do we have consensus on this item number E? Yes. Item moment. Consensus is that we postpone that as you request. Up to meetings. OK, F is presentation on the Wayfaring Master Plan and direction from Council. John James. Thank you. Again, John James, Director of Planning and Development Services. Wayfinding. Yeah. Wayfaring. I thought I was confused. This is the Wayfonding Master Plan, as you mentioned. This began as a 2009 partnership, and I won't read off all the entities, but a number of different groups participated financially in moving forward a Wayfonding Master Plan, and this is just a brief overview of that Master Plan and seeking your direction on how you wish us to proceed with that. The purpose of the Wayfinding Master Plan is really to help create a sense of place, defining locations that people like to or want to get to, and basically providing signage

[3:27:58] to get them there. There's a focus in the plan on historic downtown, but also other key points. information in your packet has numerous maps and lists of what those key points are, but basically the idea is this third bullet here to define pathways for vehicles and pedestrians to get to those locations. A large part of this is about tourists. We have people who are visiting our community may not know how to get to the lake or to the airport or to downtown or any of the other destinations around the community. So the idea is to create a consistently themed signage to to get them there. The objectives, reducing clutter of signs, making sure that you know text out signs don't look different from city signs and there's a consistent theme involved. This last one here also one of the factors in the plan, the consultants who worked on this plan, this is what they do is wayfinding plans and so ensuring that the signs are high quality and easily maintainable over time was one of the the focuses that they looked at. They noted that there are some limits environmental graphics is what they call these signs but that alone won't accomplish everything if you put signs out into an environment that is not as aesthetically pleasing as we like those signs will just get lost in the the mix with all the other signs and everything else that is out there so one of their recommendations was looking at the city's son ordinance to ensure that there's not too much competition for multiple signs to help provide better graphics for visitors and even residents when they're looking for whether it be a business or these way-finding signs to get them to somewhere in the community. They noted that San Angel is very appealing as a tourist city but again much of the existing signage creates some clutter that makes it difficult for people new to the community to find the things that they're looking for.

[3:30:03] The design criteria that they looked at, I won't read through all of these, but these are the different kinds of elements that they looked at in coming up with the design theme for the wayfinding signs. I'll just go through a few quick examples, what they call vehicle vehicular directional signs. These are basically the signs that are scaled for cars driving down the street. You can see kind of the theme that they looked at here to direct people to various locations throughout the city. Similarly, they have these pedestrian sized directionals. These would be in locations like along the river within parks, other locations where you're wanting the sign to be smaller scale and not so big as you would for cars driving 25-30 miles an hour down the street. They also had different districts and you can see that along the left side of each of signs each with its own color theme so that all of the signs around the Colosseum for example would have that orange color to help you identify the district of the city that you're in. They also looked at welcome signs. This is an example of a welcome sign that would be located at the major highway entrances into the city. This was designed specifically to be consistent with text out rules and regulations in terms of size and construction materials of signs. One of the discussion points on this sign was the size of it, you know, in terms of signs, this looks a little bit small, although it's the biggest sign that meets text-out rules. For anything larger than this, an entryway welcome sign would have to be off of the public right-of-way, off the text-out right-of-way, and off on property if you wanted to do anything larger than this. Gosh, off the top of my head, I don't know. Those, the vehicular directional signs as an example of about $8,000 each. This would probably be a little more than that because

[3:32:07] it's a bigger sign, but probably not too far off of that. Here are some examples of a little bit larger signs that might be located along the river, for example, that would include a map in the central part of the graphic to help direct people within a district or a similar sign might be located on ASU's campus or other locations where a map might be appropriate. This also lists upcoming events on either side of the map, so that could be useful as well. They also looked at the design of banners for along streets on light poles, for example, meshing with the consistent theme of all of the districts that were outlined in the plan, well as looking at more substantial gateway entryway type signs. The example on the left there may be along a street as you're coming into downtown. You could have a little bit more substantial sign announcing that you're entering that district. As you know from your packet of information, the plan includes a number of maps. This is just one example at how the consultants looked at. Wherever you're coming in from the city, this example shows how you get to to the downtown and so it shows the key points at which you would want to sign if I'm coming into town for the first time and I'm trying to get downtown at those key intersections where you would need to make a turn or how it would direct you to get to that location and they included maps like this for all of the primary destinations around the city. That led into these more detailed maps where you can see the little red dots. Those are the specific locations that they identified for each particular sign that would be at an intersection noting you know this is where you turn to get to Fort Concho for example. So the the

[3:34:09] consultant did look at the cost for all of this to do all of the signs as they recommended in their plan it would be between three and three and a half million dollars. We've proposed a phase one that as you know is in it's an unfunded project currently but it's in the capital improvement plan as a project that comes in about $300,000. That would just do a first piece of this, but would get us started on a WayFunding sign program. As with the WayFunding Master Plan itself, this could include partnerships with funding from Convention Visitors Bureau, Coast of DC, Tiers, the university, and maybe others as well. Part of the reason we're here today is to sort of gauge your interest in this, and before we continue to move down the path of implementing this plan to see, again, what the interest is, if it's worth pursuing some of these arrangements with other entities, other organizations, and the short version of that is, is there going to be money for this in the near term that we should be spending time on this, or is this something we should set on the back burner and maybe wait a few years to look at. I just put this note here so I wouldn't forget to mention that any of these signs that go into the text dot right of way along highways would have to get text dot approval. The consultants who wrote this plan are very familiar with working with text dot and have designed all of the signs to meet those text dot standards, but any of those would still have to be submitted to Textot before we could actually go out and put it out of sign. This is that first phase, 12 signs on city streets, 19 signs on Textot roadways. It would primarily be focused on downtown Fort Concho, the art district and ASU signs spread

[3:36:09] among those different destinations coming in just under $300,000 is the estimate for that. Again, it's a pretty quick overview of a pretty long plan and I'll note I noted it in your memo, but just so you know I Did leave out some of the elements of that plan the the detailed text dot specifications and the design standards for the signs Because that was about a hundred pages as well in addition to what you did get in your packet But with that, I'd be happy to answer any questions I had asked that we discussed this today because if you remember this was something that the city worked on with the Chamber of Commerce and Pamela specifically, well Phil was involved to Phil Neighbors and with all of the staff turnover and Phil's death I didn't want us to forget it because there was public funds spent on it but I think that when John puts up the three to three and a half million dollar slide, we all walk away. And in fact, this is a plan that can be implemented as new signs are needed in certain areas. And so I think that capital outlay is not really the way we should be looking at it at all. It's kind of like the downtown streetscape plan. As you have to redo sidewalks or as you have to make investment, let's follow an adopted guide out at the airport as an example when they put up new signage, they followed this. And so that wasn't really an additional cost. It was just using this as the guide for the investment that was needed needed then. So I would hope that we again kind of take this out of the realm of capital and look at it more as a maintenance issue when certain signage and certain projects are implemented that we just use this as the design criteria for for that signage

[3:38:12] that's needed. I did recall working on this in the past when Sean was here and we even went to the point at looking at and the design and choosing and picking colors than we even done. Yeah, we had talked to a local business that was going to make the signs Yeah, the comments from council I had a quick one At one of the very first slides you you described signage or lack of signage as cluttered. I don't understand where you're getting cluttered. We don't have any way finding signs I think the idea there was all of the signs so there are some commercial corridors where all of the business signs there's so many of them that it creates a sign clutter effect that in some of those areas if you don't address the business signs, putting up a wayfinding sign won't actually help much because it'll just get lost in the clutter. It comes up every year though, it's like with rodeo. If you've never been before people coming from outside, the Colosseum is hard to find if you're not from here. And so again, as we look at doing improvements, we kind of do this incrementally rather than this three million dollar plus because I don't think we'll ever do anything with it as long as it looks like three million dollars but as the rodeo or we as the city of the owner of that property make any improvements that might be the time that we look at then then using this as our guideline. This building is hard to find if you don't know where it is. It's hard to find the Museum are the river stage. If you don't cross Concho, I just go to the North Tears Island. But we know where things we can find our way along in the in the numbered streets. Direction I guess is is to keep this thing alive and as we

[3:40:20] need it we can look at it. I mean it would be wonderful to do this but not for three million dollars. I don't I think we quit looking at it as one big project. Anything that we do with state that having to meet their requirements, if it could say welcome, San Angelo, a porch to Plains Alliance, we're trying to get signs along the corridor and Texas is the last one to come around, all the other states have started putting up their signs and we met with a tremendous out-of-sign budget so or combining it with their city sign to put any other discussion on this any other questions council do I have public comment on this item I know we've been here a long time Harry Thomas I kind of agree with what Liz says but I want to say one thing got to remember that about 30% of our sales tax come from people from outside of San Angelo and those people coming in here, for whatever function it is, can't find where they're going, it makes it very, very difficult for them to come back. So I would encourage us to look at something to start this project somewhere around it because we've been doing this for seven years now and we've not done hardly anything. So let's get off this plot that we're in and start something, whatever that is, and then we can fill in backside with what Liz says. But if we don't start it, we'll be in other seven years down the road and we haven't got anything out there. Any further public comment?

[3:42:21] We're going to call this one finished. The second public hearing, consideration of ordinance is amending appendix AEF schedule in chapter 11 of the Code of Ordinance. It's amending article A600 Park use fees for State Finance, Mending Article A10000, Animal Control Service Fees, Mending Article 1105, Water Conservation and Dr. Contingency Plan, and Article A8000 Utility Related Fees, and Mending Article A8000 Utility Related Fees. In Chapter 11, Utility Articles 1102, Water and Sewer Service, Martin Cheg Witten. Good afternoon. We are concluding our annual fee process today before you a second reading of the final division's real estate animal services and water. This does include all the changes as directed by council last meeting. And so kind of summarizing those changes, the real estate fees were moved to cost of service, excluding late fee that was left as staff presented. Then animal services was left unchanged from staff's recommendation, the desire there was not to go to cost of service. so no change to your presentation and proposal there. The next area is related to water and no changes there as discussed last meeting that the water drought rates are unchanged from our discussions during water rate study. And you'll recall that as a result of our earlier discussion, the drought multipliers stay the same. The fire hydrant deposits and fire service taps. we weren't any longer recommending those fees be increased just to be ratified they had never been read into ordinance and then the charges just aligning our current procedures with the existing ordinance and then any main extensions for water and wastewater we're just recommending

[3:44:21] that we get out of the business of doing that and get that into the private sector where it works better. This has already been passed six to one the first time and it'll be passed six to one today but I got about five minute diatribe here that I want to go over and explain just exactly why I think this is wrong. I can't do it too but once I get through with my diatribe then you know y'all go ahead and make the motion and prove the thing and we'll go on but I want the citizens to know what these fees are and I have my opinion and I had the right to state it. I just wanted to make sure we can all use our I just want to talk a little bit about a fee in a tax, and it could be called income redistribution, it could be called a tax, it can be called a fee, but it's all the exact same thing. It's taking money out of the private sector and putting it into the public fund. According to your very figures on this ordinance, we will be taking $88,635. If we approve these fees we will be taking $88,635 out of the private funds putting it into the public funds, into the general funds. Last meeting we approved by the city estimates $191,852 additional fees out of the private funds into the public funds, $280,487 by the city's estimates we have taken out of the private sector and put into the public fund in the last two weeks. That's about two-thirds of one cent of our tax rate. I think a tax rate, one cent, is about $360,000 what it used to be. We have taken $280,487 out of the private sector and put it into the general fund.

[3:46:21] That is a tax redistribution. You can call it a fee, you can call it anything you want to. It is a tax. It's even worse today on this one. Because now we are charging people to abandon their animal. We're charging people to abandon to move their animals. And what people are going to do is take their animals out on the edge of town, be sick animals that they do not want. They're going to abandon them. And people are going to be stuck with them. The animals are either going to starve to death, or they're going to get hit, or they're going to get rabid. It is just compounding a problem so that we can take from the private sector an additional 88,635 dollars. This is nothing but a tax, it is excessive. This animal control is especially wrong because we are charged in our charter for the health, safety and welfare of our citizens. And when we turn a bunch of animals loose on the edge of town, which people will do before they go pay a fee to abandon or have euthanize, we're just creating more problems for our citizens. Now I'll accept the motion to accept. Yeah, I do have a motion, but Sean it too, except I just have two comments. I guess one, you know, sometimes when you get into the pig pen and wrestle with the pig, you figure out that the pig lacks it, you know, but in the lattle come on one time and figure that out, but I don't think it's a tax. You certainly have your opinion, but I think what we're doing is moving money from the general fund that everyone Incorporates into paying now an individual that who's responsible for that's paying and I'm glad you said that I'm glad you said and your five minutes is up. No, I only took three Anybody anybody in this city that can hear this that actually thinks That is $191,000 that we approved last meeting to the nursing homes and hospitals and apartment

[3:48:27] buildings. Anyone that honestly thinks that this money is going to be absorbed by the business owners and not pass to the citizens and the patients and the clients, please call me because I've got some ocean front property just north to Fort Stockton that I am developing and I would love to have you call every bit of this money is passed on to the clients to the patients and we all pay for it. We are paying as a city for two hundred and eighty thousand and four hundred and eighty seven dollars by the city's own estimates by increasing these fees taking it out of the private sector and putting it in the public. I do have a motion to approve this. I second it and reiterate that the pig likes it. Right and I and we are passing it I totally agree with you Dwayne, we're passing it on to the user. The user is paying for it. I personally, let me finish it. I get three to five minutes right now. I personally believe that if I ask for a service, I ask for something to be done by a city employee, I should be paying for that. And I should pay for all of that service. I shouldn't ask for Joe Smith down the street to have to subsidize me putting in something, or me having my apartment building inspected. I don't think that they should do that. So I do agree with you, it is gonna be passed on, but it's a service. They live in those buildings, they're in those nursing homes, they're in that hospital. When I go to that hospital, I'll pay for that service. That's when it's my turn to pay for that service. So that's my time. Any further comments? I agree with Mr. Fleming and I think I can say to you that that is money that is pulled out of the private sector and so theoretically that is an amount of money that can be reduced through the general fund and what it's supporting right now. So then it becomes the decision of this council do you want to truly subtract that and potentially

[3:50:32] reduce the tax rate or do we want to reallocate that for some service that our citizens have been screaming for that we have not been able to provide. Ultimately, that's the decision. But when you use a fee-based system, as Mr. Fleming said, the people who need to access that are actually paying for the service they need, and it's not on the back of everyone else. That is a fair system, and that protects those citizens who truly have no discretionary income on the most fixed of incomes, where they are not subsidizing the work of others. and I'm very happy with it, and I will defend it as long as I sit in this seat. You know. Any further council comment? I still love you though. He's muddy, don't hug him, he's muddy right now. I got down in there with him. I do, it's Teddy Roosevelt once said, sometimes I do just enjoy a good fight. No fuck, Marty just said that. Dovilaz, because I, downtown San Angel, I have a question. Is it accurate, and did I learn this correctly, that we are charging a $100 fee for people to go before the Design and Historic Commission? I think it's 200 to go before the ZBA, or maybe 300, but I don't know what it is to go before the DHA. I mean, it's mandatory if you're gonna do something in downtown or on the river corridor that they go before this commission to get your plans approved, et cetera. I think those fees were passed at the last meeting, correct, Morgan, and we can get you an updated copy of what all those fees are if you'd like one. Vote against those. What you're saying is we can't discuss it right now. Anybody have a public comment on this item? All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Nay. Put a 6-1 on that. And now we are ready for considering adopting a resolution

[3:52:36] in acting standard water conservation levels of the city water conservation, drought contingency plan, Alison Stroop, you are on then. Good afternoon, Mayor and Council. It was about a month ago I came before you and asked to go into drought level one or approve a resolution. We've recently had some rains that we are very blessed with, which brings us above the 24 month trigger point. I wanna show this just to show that According to TCEQ, USDA, NOAA, we are still, quote, out of the drought. Even by going back to standard water conservation, I still, we all know that water supply is still short. Here's the forecast based on water supply, so we are now at 30 months of water supply. So we gained around five to six months in the recent rains. So it's short and sweet, if y'all have any questions, I'll be happy to answer them. But today I'm asking for approval to go back into standard water conservation. You need a vote on this? Go back to standard water coming out of the conversation. Yes, by the ordinance, we still have to approve it by resolution and also publish it in the paper. So this will run in this weekend's paper. and it will be effective May next Monday. I have a quick question. Allison, either you or Bill, and I think you shortly mentioned it earlier, if you were to add the water we have banked for the hickory, what would the- On supply look like? I would have to run those numbers and get back with you. Is it truly another five years added to it, three years? We also have to consider, I mean, what we have banked, but we also have to consider what we can bring in daily based on the capacity of the wells and treatment capacity. You'll give me a number of months if you add that. There's no number. So I wish there was.

[3:54:37] It's a very difficult thing to try to calculate evaporation rates and not projecting what you think the weather's going to be to determine the actual months of supply. If we add the hickory end, if we started using it the rate that was determined earlier or recommended earlier we would be have the banked water gone about four years we can bring in up with this right well no if we used how it was recommended earlier to use it instead of the surface waters our current allocation is 2,750 acre feet if we use that it would prolong the surface water sum but at the level of the lakes are today with the evaporation it would be months as in few months so it just it's going to go away unfortunately on its own so there's not a months answer to your question but it would not in any way so perform extended out to five or six years we would be solely on the hickory in a short period of time regardless whether we use it now or not the surface waters are going away we've been given up on the water that we have allocated for Ivy basically use it or lose it. So the other things we use it and I know we just we're going to that we've paid for not and you really are not losing the hickory water. We're not there's no evaporation of course it's not a certain one anywhere. So it's not going where it'll stay there for the most part. We we'd use this as a backup since we try initiated this plant and he still uses. Someone want to give me a motion then move to approve as presented second. Okay, I do have a motion to approve. It's presented to do at a second. Do I have council discussion on this? Do I have public discussion on this? All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, nay. Drop a 7-0 on that one. As James, did you have me something to read? Or do you want to read it for me?

[3:56:39] We are now to follow up and administrative issues. And this is consider your microphone or somebody's microphone. Speaking in the mic. Excuse me, Anthony. You need me to read the top section. Okay. Possible consideration in action on matters discussed and executive closed session if needed. And we did come to a decision on the litigation that the city has had with Mortar for Hirschfield. I will read this resolution, and then I'll ask for a vote from the council to adopt our resolution. It is a resolution by the San Angelo City Council authorizing the city manager to negotiate a settlement agreement on designated terms and execute all necessary documents terminating litigation between the City of St. Angelo and the City of St. Angelo Development Corporation as Plantis and Marta for Hirschfield Energy Systems LLC ETAL as defendants with calls number B150116C. Authorizing the Council of Record for Plantis to file any necessary documents terminating the litigation with calls, number B150116C, ratifying the settlement agreement authorized by the City of St. Angelo Development Corporation, approved by resolution on May 3, 2016, and ratifying the economic development agreement between defendants and the City of St. Angelo Development Corporation, approved by resolution on May 3, 2016. Do I have a motion to accept the resolution as read? Move to approve. Second. That was Rodney that moved to approve. It was Johnny that seconded. Do I have any council questions or discussions on ending this litigation from council? Do I have any public comment on this item, on the resolution that has been read? And I will call for the vote. The vote is to accept the resolution as presented

[3:58:39] and to end the litigation between the city, the Costa DC, and Marta Perverseville. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. All opposed nay. Let's put a 7-0 on that one and say thank you. Announcements and consideration of future agenda items. I'll start with you, Elizabeth. I think I have anything right now, Mayor. Just a couple of things I want to talk to Daniel about. We'll see where they fit. Lucy. Charlotte. I have nothing to add. I do want to thank Shane Kelton and his crews for getting to the shrub cleanup on Green Meadow Drive and the Arroyus outstanding job. I've already received several phone calls so thank you very much. Appreciate it and again thanks to Anthony and Brian for the good work that they do. I do want to make sure that Rodney and Johnny are here next meeting. I wouldn't bet on it. Yeah I know but they need to be. Johnny you have anything in your last meeting dad? No sir. I do not. Marty? Nothing at this time. I think you're not forget early voting today is the last day for early voting the election day is on Saturday thank God I'm never going to be on that ever again. I'm saying never ever. And I want to thank the city staff for doing so much. I was talking to Shane about the intersection out there on highway 87 that we're still working on that right now. Just because I'm leaving and I'm not going to drop that cause. I truly believe that that intersection needs to be fixed and the engineers I believe we've got them picked and they're going to be heading out there real soon. I have one item that I would like to have brought forward, and this has to do with the 500 tons of recycling that we need for our citizens to reduce this additional cost.

[4:00:43] And it just, when I was wrestling with that pig in the mud, I just happened to realize that we have no recycle cans at the city hall. Why are we not recycling at the city hall and adding this to the 500 tons has gone to the recycling center. Why are we not recycling at the county and at the state? But especially, we need some recycle bins, City of San Angelo, to collect this recycle. I think it's because it's a business, because even like my business, they don't let me do it. And I would love to recycle my business. Yes, I can do the volume, but that's for a discussion another day, because. Mayor, if I may, we do have recycling bins at City Hall. I've not seen them. Second floor. Thank you, basement. You've answered my question. We also have them in every office, and they come in and see those individuals. And that is my mistake. Do it in-house. Please disregard my last state. We were actually doing it before all of the stuff. We might disregard a few more than the last state. Move to it. Don't disregard any of the, because I meant the rest of them, but disregard the last one. Move to it. Move to it. This one has one thing. The city of San Angelo participates in the United Way effort and that is possible for us to help them and anybody that's watching or in the audience today to help that cause as part of San Angelo gives today is the day to give to have your contribution doubled is that amplified sorry amplified so for those of you that don't know Anthony has been a leader in the city's effort are you still you still the number one guy for the United Way campaign for the city and he would like for us to mention that and then go home and donate so thank you and Brian I bet you're going to talk about a press conference? No. Not as part of the meeting. Move to adjourn. What were you going to talk about? I want to make a special note that the next meeting, the second meeting in May will be on the 18th, which is a Wednesday due to canvassing guidelines. So I want to make sure everybody is aware

[4:02:45] of that. I heard that yesterday and I argued with her, but it is on Wednesday this. I'll entertain a motion to adjourn. All in favor please say aye. It is 2.46 this meeting is over.

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