San Angelo City Council 2-16-16

[0:00:00] here if you need a preacher. Good morning. It is 834, which is about 30 minutes sooner than we usually start our council meetings. But we're trying to get through a little quicker, so we're starting at 830, and it's good to see everyone here this morning, and we appreciate you being here with us for our meeting. We always start our council meeting with prayer, and I had a preacher lined up. The preacher didn't show up. So I will leave this at a prayer to start our meeting. I definitely, Father, we thank you. We thank you for this precious world that you have given us, this creation that you have made, and we thank you for this very spot, this very small part of your vast creation that we are allowed to live in and prosper in to raise our children in the Conchil Valley. And we thank you, Lord, for the many blessings that you have bestowed upon us. Father, today we ask you for rain. We need rain desperately to fill our wells and our streams, our lakes, and our reservoirs so that the balance of nature might once again be returned to our area. Father in the past, you have granted special things to those that have asked and you gave strength to Samson, you gave wisdom to Solomon and you gave patience to Joe. And then Jesus himself told us to love God first and to love our neighbor as our self. And today, I ask that you bestow on us the council the same attributes so that we will be able as ambassadors to make the right decisions for you and your people. Go So with us, be with us, guide, guard and direct, and it's in the name of Jesus that I pray. Amen. And I also was supposed to have a third grader here to help me with the pledge, and the third grader didn't show up, but I do have a late view boy back here, which sometimes is about the same thing. Brady Guilford, I'm going to ask you to come up and help me. Does he know the word? Right. Let's go to the United States of America and to the republic for one nation of liberty

[0:02:10] and the United States of America. One state, I never got one in the big deal. Thank you. Good morning, Charlotte. Oh, man. Good morning, Charlotte. I do have a couple of recognitions this morning. The first one will be the 7th Annual West Texas Tattooed Convention to be accepted by Alex Trufant, which is the co-owner of Trufant Brothers Tattoo. Is Alex here? Oh, I am betting 1,000 a day. I'm going to read the recognition and then I'll have Brian be sure that it's too Alex Trufant. It says that the annual West Texas Tattoo Convention began in 2012 and has grown an event each and every consecutive year. This year the hosts are excited to present to you the 7th annual West Texas Tattoo Convention which will be featuring several of the best tattoo artists from around the world right here in San Angelo, Texas. This year's convention will begin on Friday, February the 26th at 3 p.m. continuing 11 a.m. on both Saturday, February 27 and Sunday, February 28. Now therefore, While Duane Morrison, the mayor of the City of San Angelo, Texas, on behalf of the city council, do hereby proclaim the week of February 26, 28 to 16 as the annual West Texas Tattoo Convention weekend and thank their host for their commitment to bring exciting and diverse events to the city of San Angelo. Give them a hand. This is my last chance. Tony and Gloria Quayar, owners of KQTC 99.5 for their efforts to community fundraising. Please come forward and let me read this. At a ceremony on December 9, 2015, Representative Drew Darby presented KQTC 99.5 FM Radio with

[0:04:21] a Texas flag, flown at the Texas State Capitol Building in recognition of the service to the community. KQTC 99.5 FM Radio is owned by Tony and Gloria Cuellar. The Cuellars were recipients of that esteemed award by the Texas Legislature coinciding with their one-year anniversary in December of 215. The Quayars under staff at KG, I've been saying KQ, KQ, we've got an experiment, we need to use this. The Quayars and the staff of KQTC 99.5 radio has spent countless hours in our community fundraising for various noble causes and one example of the station was able to help in fundraising for a family in El Lareda whose son needed surgery. Therefore, I, Duane Morrison, mayor of the city of St. Angelo, on behalf of City Council do hereby recognize and applaud KQTC 99.5 if in radio station and Tony and Gloria Quayar for the dedication and positive determination for making a difference in our community. Congratulations, thanks very much. And my future thank you all for this award. Man a few words come and let's just get a picture. It is now time for the public comment area of our city council agenda.

[0:06:23] I will allow each and every one of you that wishes to address the council to come forward after I read the legalities and you may approach the council either pro or con with anything that you want to address. Issues or items that are not on the agenda, that are not on the agenda may be raised by the public this time citizens should speak from the podium again by stating their name and limit remarks to less than five minutes. Council members may request that it is discussed item be placed on the future agenda. The council takes public comment on all regular agenda items during the discussion of those items. So I would ask it this time if there is anyone in the audience that would wish to approach the council with anything please come forward. Good morning the council members of the surprise for you today. During our first break we will have the M-RAP sitting outside. So we do have it here it's it had only 62 miles on it when we received it. It sat part for a little over two years so we had to change group did an outstanding job and I wanted to thank Shane's group for going with us to pick it up. I will we'll warn you that it is a little overwhelming. It's big and it's intimidating and it's a lot bigger than what I thought. So we're going to try to do some modifications in the interior so that we can fit more officers inside right now. I think we're limited to about six total and so we're going to try to do some modifications on it. But it'll be outside during the first break. I invite all of you to go sit in it and go look at it. Just take a few minutes and take a look at it. And we hope that if we have to take that thing out that it will be intimidating to whoever we're taking it too, right? Thank you, Chief I have further public comment at this time Good morning, Craig morning. I'm Craig Myers. I am

[0:08:26] feeling really blessed to be a citizen in San Angelo, and I'm very privileged to have watch this council for a number of years do some kind of amazing things and I've even been allowed to participate in some of the hands-on stuff that you do. I think that one of the reasons that you have been very successful in so many areas is the demeanor with which you behave. You speak to each other, it's a very diverse community and this very diverse council and you speak to each other with respect, you disagree when you need to But you treat each other in a way that's quite different than what you get when you turn on the news right now We find that Instead of dealing with facts. We hear people making public comments about people's heritage and their intelligence and their veracity and their morality and Hardly ever do we get to the issues that we really need to deal with this is different And the reason I want to talk about this for a moment is because it's kind of precious. You guys said as a model for how the community talks. And periodically there are things that are done that really need to be called to our attention. About a year ago there was a whole pile of stuff on the internet and everybody's got every right to say anything they choose to say. But it was about the behavior of the people who were running the newly reorganizing animal shelter and animal control and there's a lot of things that were said that were very personal, weren't very helpful and most which wasn't true. However, over a period of time because of the council and other people in the community who came up with the factual realities that were not being addressed by this conversation, it seemed to fade away and now all of a sudden it's back again. And I think it's important to just bring this up because it's a very short slip down the slippery slide to starting talk and take seriously people's statements that may or may not be true

[0:10:31] that are very personal in this sort of thing. And to the point that our whole conversations began to deteriorate, there was, you know, talk about the suitability and the morality of the person who runs, the animal shelter right now, and some other things that just weren't really factual, at least, except in an anecdotal way that we're talking about, you know, that there's some sick dogs out there. Well, there's sick people in the hospital, but that's not how you judge its effectiveness and there are crime violators in the jail up here. And the fact is that you don't measure something on the basis of some external, abstract perfection ideal. You talk about what actually happens and you know if you just share the facts with your constituents in the last year the adoption number has increased by almost 250 percent. The euthanasia level has dropped from 82 percent to 20 percent. If you gave those figures to anybody, private business or anybody else and said you can take your negative and drop at that far, people would applaud, give them a raise, and, you know, retire them. But the fact of the matter is, the fact that there are these anecdotal things, there are dogs with Parvo, because the city dumps those dogs out there, and some of them are healed, some of them are just sort of eliminated, and it's all over. We have to understand that you guys have a responsibility and an ability to model a conversation, And you also can share with us the information about all the prize-winning award-winning departments that you have, so we're better able to make decisions, support you, and make decisions on our own what we support and what we don't. I just thought I'd share that with you. Thank you. Great. Thank you. Thank you.

[0:12:35] Do I have further public comment? I would like to say that my pleasure did show up. I'm sorry just a couple of minutes late. Thank you very much for coming. I'm sorry we got ahead of you. you about to close it if anybody else got anything to say this is your opportunity let's move on then I will now go to the council if there is anything from any member of the council and the statements that need to be made or reports that need to be made or anything on the consent agenda that you wish to pull and put on the regular agenda this is the time start with you miss grind staff nothing to from the consent agenda mayor but just two items. We'll have a March neighborhood chat on March 8th and that's to discuss CIP. Morgan Chadwooden is going to lead that discussion and we've all kind of been primed for that so you'll be hearing more about that on Facebook and through the city manager's office. Is it a Tuesday? I say the wrong date. We're looking at a strategic planning workshop on that. My chat starts at 6 p.m. and I have no intention of being in the city's long-range planning meeting for 12 hours so we should be good there okay and then also as just mentioned by Craig Myers there's a lot of good that happens on Facebook and sometimes there's a lot of negative but there's been a lot on my page lately about code enforcement issues and perhaps our communities lack of care about signage that's placed in the public right away And this really is becoming a problem and I don't know what the answer is, people forget that garage sale signs and buy this and sell that and buy ugly houses don't belong on locations within the public right of way, much less other places. But it's to a point where we have citizens who would like to be deputized to help address this issue and start removing them. we're doing right now is not working and it's getting ahead of the staff that we

[0:14:38] have that deals with this every day and so at a future meeting I think we should talk about this. Is Lucy? I had a town hall meeting last night and I would like to thank our city manager and Shane and Morgan for being there. I also want to thank the people who attended I know that it's your busy night and everyone has something to do but y'all take time to be out there so I want to thank you. I will be having another one next month. I will give you more details at the next council meeting. It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood, isn't it? It is beautiful. Mr. Mayor, if I may, the young lady that is dressed so pretty that came to say the pledge is here. Do you mind if we do the pledge one more time? I don't have a problem with it. Are you ready? Well, I was late, so I missed the pledge, so don't feel bad. I was late this morning, there's more traffic than I think there is between 8 and 9 a.m. Oh, yes, yes, absolutely. She is very pretty, no big dress on. She is, I think just a gorgeous young lady. Mr. Mayor, I have nothing. Thank you, ma'am. Johnny. Maybe she'll take a picture with you later on. I just had a couple of quick things. One, I wanted to touch on what Elizabeth just said about the signs being all over town. I, too, have gotten calls on.

[0:16:39] I think a number of meetings ago, we basically said, hey, we need to take care of our own neighborhood. So if you see a sign out there that doesn't belong, and none of them belong, drive by there, I've picked up a few on my side of town. It's Saturday. So we are deputized, so to speak. So anybody in the city of San Angela that sees signs that do not belong there, feel free to pick them up. And secondly, I wanted to, again, touch base. I was entering the loop right there by McDonald's here on North Bryant, and I have to say again, you know, and I'm gonna continue, but the loop is looking pretty bad, you know? Especially the entrances and the exits, they are just horrible, horrible looking. So I hope the text started listening, and, you know, we always get hit with, well, lack of funding and, you know, lack of resources, And something's got to be done. I mean, it just makes the whole city just look terrible. So I just wanted to throw that in that, hey, I'm still harping on the Luke 306 that can, at times, look terrible, terrible. So thank you. That's my spill. Thank you. Marty. I have nothing. Rodney. I don't really have anything other than to thank you for that beautiful prayer you gave. That really hit me in the heart, and that was great. Want to remind people in that prayer or to how we talked about the water shortage, And we really, really need to concentrate on that. I realized that a year, a year and a half ago, we were really worried about it, no one's talking about it now, but we are getting back to the same point again. And we really need to be good stewards of our water, and I pray that we as a council make the right decisions for our future, for our water. Thank you, Rodney. It's very constant. And I also have nothing, so I will entertain a motion to accept the consent agenda, that's item number five and this will be items A through P. I move to approve the consent agenda item as is. Do I have a second? Okay. Take Elizabeth second.

[0:18:40] Yes sir. I thought we were gonna remove one item. Was there one item? No, that's on the regular agenda agenda agenda. Okay, I do have a motion to accept the consent agenda as presented. I do have a second Ms. Grindstaff. Do I have any further talk? Yes, Marty. I need to abstain from H. All right, then let's, would you modify your motion to approve the consent agenda be item A through P with the exception of H. Mayor, Mayor, we can take it in one motion and I can just abstain him from that one item. Good deal. All right, do you have a motion? I do have a second. Marty will be abstaining from item number H. Do I have any comment from the public on this before we vote? Call for the vote, all in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, nay. And which one were we pulling, Brian? All right, we will be pulling item H. This is consider adopting a resolution authorizing the Texas Coalition for Affordable Power, TCAP, to act as an agent for the City of St. Angela, negotiated an electric supply agreement for five years for delivery of electricity, effective January 1, 218, and commit the budget for energy purchases in 218 through 22 to honor to the city's commitment to purchase power for its electric needs in 218 through 223, 222 through TCAP. And the reason we're pulling it is because we are not going to sign, we've decided it's a city not to sign with TCAP, but to go out for bids so that we can get the very best energy value for our city and for our citizens. So we will be pulling item number H. And I know there's several people in the audience that are here to speak to that. We ain't going to talk about it. Item number eight. Mr. Mayor, yes, Mayor. I just have a question on item number eight. I thought we voted at the last meeting to accept it. So can we?

[0:20:40] No, we don't know. Well, I remind that we tabled it at the last meeting. Yes. And it is a city decision, an administration decision, instead of going through this again, that we go out for bed so that we can get the very best for our citizens. And we're only able to do that through the marketing through, oh, competition. That's exactly right. So number A is the first public hearing and consideration of an ordinance for a public right-of-way. Ally abandoned, out of 6,125 square foot public right-of-way from Hudson Street to North Bryant Boulevard. Between West 18th and West 19th Street, John James, you are on, sir. Thank you. John James, Director of Planning and Development Services. As you mentioned, this is an item requesting to abandon existing alleyway. It's 6,000, roughly 6,000 square feet. You can see on the map there, it's the full alley from Hudson to Bryant between 18th and 19th. It is at the request of autorangler, although I'll mention in a minute that it does affect another property as well. Again, here's a little bit closer look at that. You can see the stripes there in pink. That's the stripes convenience store. What typically happens when an alley is abandoned is the adjacent property owners can claim their half of the alley. In this case Auto Wrangler has asked to close the alley so that they can claim the portions adjacent to their property but the stripes is not involved in the request although the city staff recommended to include the entire alley because it really doesn't make sense to keep half an alley for half a block and so our recommendation you'll see is to abandon the entire alley, and we will be contacting stripes. In fact, they've already been contacted, but we'll be continuing to contact them to either claim their half of the alley, or if they don't want it, they can see that over to auto-ringle. This

[0:22:42] is the alley. Again, it's about a 17 and a half foot wide alley. We do recommend approval. Again, there's a number of reasons the applicant has requested, but largely they own property on both sides of the alley and go back and forth across the alley and it's a safety issue apparently a lot of cut-through car traffic goes up and down that alley and so they want to close that for safety reasons to allow access to both sides of their property. Would protect the safety of their employees. Staff does recommend maintaining a utility easement along the alley because there are some utilities both city utilities as well as suddenly an AEP located in that alley and the applicant is okay maintaining that easement and he would have to allow access to those utilities as well as the city in the future when there are any needs to address those utilities. So we are recommending approval that's went to the Planning Commission January 25th and they also recommend approval unanimously. We do recommend some typical conditions of approval. The area would need to be replatted to incorporate the alley into those adjacent properties and so the abandonment does not become official until that replat has occurred. We do have a payment that the applicant is responsible for basically buying back the easement or the right-of-way along that alley. They do have to or there would be a their quick claim deed the city basically removes our ownership of that by quick claim deed thus allowing the property owner to claim that through a replant. And as I mentioned they would be required to maintain a utility easement along the length of that alley. That'll be happy to answer any questions. This is in your area Lucy. I'm gonna start with you and then start it as a comment. Okay John now

[0:24:47] Now, what you're talking about is the alley, the one that's between stripes and auto Wrangler, not behind them, but between them, correct? That's correct. Okay. When I went out there last night, from what I saw, they had the gates already up. So they kind of jumped the good. That's what I was going to say. If there are gates that are up today, that is jumping the gun. You know, this is the first step in a process, can you all have to vote it one more time to make the abandonment, to really kick off the abandonment, but then there are a number of steps, including the quick claim deed, the replat, before it actually becomes official. So part of the approval would allow them to gait it off, again allowing access for utility companies, but you're right, that should not be happening until after all of those steps have occurred. I would say for them to remove the gates until the process is completed and we can follow up with them to make sure that happens you're going to move either way I'm going to make a motion to approve as presented. Okay. Do we have a second from right? Yes ma'am. Well I have I guess heartburn over this Donna want to ask you have they met all of the requirements that the city put on for them to go in there to begin with a few years ago. I guess I'm not aware of the requirements that were placed on them. Well, we had several requirements when they first went in and it had to do with privacy fences as well as planting some trees all the way around the property to block and prevent from the residential because this was originally residential and when the owner made his remarks to us he guaranteed absolutely without a doubt he would never ever sell retail. He was only

[0:26:52] a wholesale dealer and somewhere along the lines he changed to retail just right after that and I don't like being misinformed and I don't like the gun being jumped on. I'm not going to vote for it because of that because he didn't follow the steps in the beginning and Apparently he didn't learn that the steps have to be done from then and I don't see anything showing that they met all the requirements that they were given when we first changed the zoning to fit his needs. I can definitely look into that and if necessary bring something back when this comes for second reading and perhaps the applicant can address that too if he's here. Thank you. Rodney. If memory serves me right I think that what we saw a couple of years ago wasn't the existing but the lot that's about directly behind Stripes where it's just across the alley from him and they haven't done the construction on there yet. I don't believe there's anything done yet. I think that they had talked about doing some fences and stuff on that area over there. There is a proposed building that has been in permits and maybe really believe me my memory is not the best but I think that that's what we had talked about two years ago and that's the area that he was talking about because this area that's all seamated and everything in it was it's been done years and years ago. I think that he has done and I think that they're going to I don't know hopefully he's going to do the right thing and I'm sure that we have it on the books because I think we had talked at that time about doing that but it was for that lot it's for the lot that's north of the lot that we're talking about across the alley there yes that lot is what I remembered and as far as the wholesale thing I couldn't remember But I don't think he I don't remember it that way at all Mr. Fleming if I may this was on the approval before this last one. It was on the back lot where the house is that You see there Where that where the arrow is there's nothing there now The

[0:28:54] Roof is that you see I Discrete I don't think that's right chance during the second reading if there's something you want to change you have that opportunity there. Thank you. We have to vote on it today if there's that much question about her conditions. Or Lucy could change her motion to say she makes approval with the stipulation that they are in compliance with all other prior. Okay I can change that that I'll make the motion that they're in compliance with the requirements that have been requested of them. The alley only banning that alley only makes sense. If you look at the overall picture of this that when I drove over there and I looked at it, I mean, it doesn't make sense that there's an alley there at all. I would I'd especially since he does own both sides of that area right there. So I'm definitely in favor of it. I do like having putting into the motion that and I will second that part of it that he does do the things that he's is supposed to do for the other lot. Donnie? Mayor, I happened to be there Sunday, and I left the store thinking I was going to cut across the alley, and I'm with Lucy. There is a gate there, so they did jump the gun on that part. But also, I did see fencing going up around that North property, that, you know, where the arrow was. There is fencing going up, so at least he's doing that part. But yeah, I too kind of found it kind of weird that there was a gate there already, and I don't remember even going that route yet. So look into that, but there is a gate. He needs to turn the gate around, put it on the other side, on his own property, or take it down. I believe it's a swinging gate, y'all. Let him swing the other way, he'll swing it open. Yeah. I like the amended motion, because I think what Charlotte's referring to

[0:30:55] goes back years when I was standing about where you are, And there were some conditions on the backside of that lot as it was directed toward the neighborhood or the neighbor's facing Hudson. And I can forget things, but I think there was supposed to be some buffer, but I'm like E-Rodney, the issue of the abandonment itself doesn't really affect that. I think though that we should have somebody performing in accordance with the conditions placed on them. Go ahead for the council comment on this before we vote. I do have a motion to accept it as presented. with the caveat that he do what he has been told to do in the past. Do I have any public comment on this item before we vote? And I will call for the vote. All in favor of it, as it has been presented, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, nay? Aye. Put a 6-1 on that, Mr. Brian. B is a second reading, and consider adopting an ordinance in many Chapter 4, or of a 404 Section 404.061 to adopt the 215 edition of the International Building Code, Mr. Torres. And I can tell you, I made the announcement last time that anybody had any problems with this thing as it was presented and written, call me. I got zero calls. So obviously you took care of business well last week and I have had no comment. I'm ready for a motion to approve this it is a second reading move to approve Do I have a motion to approve from Rodney Johnny has given me a second you went over this very well last time you made concessions You satisfied your builders. Did you have something? I know I did want to address one item though One of the questions at the last meeting was about without exempting Chapter 32, which is public encroachments into the right-of-way, and there was some concern about how right now that's having to come to council, and if we left it in there, perhaps we could take that step out.

[0:32:56] I discussed this with my director, John James, and really the Chapter 32 doesn't really legitimize construction in the public right-of-way, so I don't think leaving it in there would help that. So what we would like to do is we would like to move forward with maybe creating or amending the ordinance so that if the ordinance itself addresses encroachments to the public right away with canopies and still take that step out of council's hands and put it back in staff's hands, but create a set of rules and guidelines to address that. Because I think leaving it in the building code again, we're still doubling up, we would still be doubling up if we went that way. We already have sections in the ordinance that address signs projecting into the public right away downtown with standards that are allowed and as long as you follow those standards, they don't have to come to you. We'd like to do something similar with Canopies. That would be done outside of what we're adopting today. Correct. That would be something separate from this. That's good. That'll arrive with you on your motion. And your second? That's fine. Just bring it separately. All right. I do have a motion to accept this as presented. And we've been talking about it for the last couple of months. I think everybody that has anything to do with it probably understands it and it is it is a good it's good or that's a good change. Do I have public comment on this item before we vote? Then I will call for the vote. All in favor please say aye. Aye. Opposed say nay. 7-0 on that one buddy. C is the first public hearing and consider introducing an ordinance amending appendix A, D schedule adding fees for the sale and related service for column berry and niches at Fairmount Cemetery. I'm starting it off and then ending it yes we're here today because we would like to officially start as ordinance fees related to the column barrier and what our column barrier pictured here our column barrier I should have had a picture that shows an overview where these are located if you go into the cemetery the main entrance it's at the back towards the right so this is the first set as part

[0:35:03] of the master plan. There's a total of three sets. So this is the first central set and it's about done. They've actually installed most of the paved stones now and it should be open and ready for the public's use at the end of this month. So we need to try to get the fees approved so we can start selling the niches. So how many niches do we have? We've We've got about 464. There are in the front, on the north facing side of each column barium, there are sets of 12 by 12 on each side, and then the rest in the center are 8 by 8s, and then the opposite sides are 8 by 8s. These are inches, so there's a total of 464. This is a new service that we're providing. We haven't done the service before, so we don't have the history yet on it. But Morgan's gonna come up here and talk about how he assessed what the fees are gonna be and what the net revenues might be. And also members of the Fairmount Cemetery Board are here, and they might like to talk to it as well at the end. So, Morgan. Thank you, Paul. Welcome, Morgan. Good morning. We did wanna come and speak to you today in the timeliness of the Columbarium construction project finishing up. And this month, we do have our annual fee review process that we're undergoing right now. We do have the comprehensive discussion of what a brief on what that process entailed and what our findings were from that process scheduled for our next council meeting. But today, just to keep in time with launching the service and to continue uninterrupted, we did want to take opportunity to weigh in on. So this has been through our fee review process and of course you'll recall that there are really three major components that come with that fee review process. The first is survey data. What are others charging for

[0:37:03] a similar service? The second, I'll get to in a second, is estimated cost of service, what it costs to provide the service and the final thing for your consideration is what that financial impact would be for providing that service. Before you today is an ordinance ratifying all of the sanitary fees. Those have not yet been ratified in an ordinance so before you are all of them and so what's for consideration a day for implementing new and or changing are these first six items are related to the new service for the Columbarium specifically. The last two items listed there are existing services but we brought them to you all last year we implemented a fee and we recognized at that time that the cost to provide that service was actually greater than what we were implementing and that you tasked us with bringing it back in the next year kind of a stair step approach to get customers acclimated to that fee. So the first item for consideration as Carl mentioned there are the eight bite single niches in the columbarium. As I mentioned that is not a current fee there is no fee currently being charged since that's a new service. What we're proposing is charging $1,200 for that function. The survey data supports that at a range of $1,195 to $1,295. And what that includes is we really don't have any peer cities, any sister cities that offer this type of service. And so we use survey data from private agencies. And so we wanted to kind of keep in line that those are really our peers in this type of function. And then the column bearing eight by eight double, you'll see similarly there we're proposing a fee of $1,800. And that's right there in line with the survey data. The column variance, the niches for the 12 by 12, the other folks really don't charge the service in that way. So we don't have survey data, but we would recommend a fee of $2,400. The next item there is the niche opening and closing. And so that's a proposed fee of $650, and the survey data is between five and $600. The niche engraving, we're proposing a fee of $550,

[0:39:06] and you see the survey data there. These last two items, as I mentioned, are existing service. So the disinterment, re-interment, is a current fee of $2,000. We're proposing to go to $3,500. And the survey data does support that, and we'll get more into the cost in just a second of what drove that. And the disinterment only is always just half of that cost. So implementing a new fee of $3,500 would mean that that disinterment would be implemented at $1,750. And again, that supports the survey data. Estimated cost of service, of course, We included in this information from staff time. That's really the biggest driver of this. Any materials, supplies, machinery, equipment used. And so we work through that process with Oscar and Carl this year. And so you'll see the cost of service for those first four items. They are very similar. The costs and these are estimates as this is a new service. So this is our a good estimate, but we'll continue sharpening our pencil on that after we have a full year of operation. And so we're showing an estimated cost of service to provide each of those $717. And four cents, the next item there, the Columbarian niche engraving, it costs us about $120 to do that. And then disinterment, re-interment, we're currently cost us about $1,800 to provide that service. The disinterment only is slightly less than that at almost $1,200. Morgan, can I ask a question, please? Absolutely. the 717 is that staff time only No, that staff time and supplies material. We didn't include a component on Depreciation of the facility that we did or did not did The last information we have to present is related to the financial impact We made an estimate on in this in a year of normal operations of having a column barium What would that financial impact be so for example if we currently have a fee of zero dollars and we go to $1,200

[0:41:09] we do X amount of those a year, what would we expect to see in a 12 month cycle for providing that service? And so you'll see each of those listed there, the financial impact. The total financial impact for implementing all of these fees could have an impact of $60,900. The columnary meets ones only. So excluding the disinterment, reinterment would be $56,400 just for those services. And that's right in line with what we had early discussions on when Carl was presenting this project for funding and moving forward and so we're finding that that that does hold water and that is what we're finding in our research. With that I'll turn it back over to Carl and he has some closing statements. There's a couple questions about the question about Rodney then I have Charlotte then I have a list but please look back what it costs us go back right there okay why would y'all bring forward on the colibarium niche opening closing it costs us $717 to open and and close it, and we're going to charge a $650 fee. That doesn't make sense at all. I think it's related to the survey information. Other folks are charging $500 to $600 for that service, and we didn't want to price it out of the market. So for that one, I'd rather see it cover the cost of sale. Yeah, I mean, I don't want to lose loose money on the deal. Let me make sure that I'm understanding this correctly, and I have never gone through the process of paying for a funeral or anything for anyone. So, if you buy an 8x8 colibarium, $1,200, you've also got to buy the opening and closing of the niche, which is $650, so that's $1,850, is that correct? You have to buy those two together. I'll have to defer to Carl on that. Could you ask the question again, I'm sorry. What's that? Can you ask the question again? If you buy the colibarium, like the least expensive one, the 8x8 for $1,200, do you have

[0:43:09] to buy the opening and closing of the niche for $650. I'll assume that you do. Once you buy the niche, you don't have to pay for the opening closing unless you want to actually open and close it. You just buy the niche and have it set aside, but if you do want to place ashes in there, then you will have to pay for the opening closing separately. Okay. If you're going to use it, if someone's going to use it, they're going to base the $1850 and then to put any kind of engraving, what you'd want engraving, I would think, on the front of it for sure, just to mark the spot if nothing else. So it's $2,400 once you get to that point. My question is, how much does it cost for a grave out there at that point? 2250, how much? 2,500. That doesn't include digging the plot or anything. So this is much cheaper. I'm trying to just educate myself and educate the public on this is a much cheaper form to go. My last question, and this may be stupid, but what is disinterment and re-interment? I think that it's putting in and taking out. Right, disinterment is removing the body from the space. And in some cases, and this happens only a few times a year, it's moved to another cemetery, or it may be moved within our own cemetery. So disinterment is it's not bodies, it's bodies. It's bodies. So there's a few fees that aren't related to the columnarity. Since we're bringing these all fees together, That's where I was. I'm confused here. I should explain that earlier. I'm confused. I'm like, well, why? I mean, just reach in there and grab the container that it's it's in. If somebody's charged 3500, somebody's making some good money for that. Okay, that answers all. Okay, that answers all my questions. And there's actually one more fee that I do need to mention that at the second reading of this ordinance if y'all approve this, that we need to have in there in the total list, and that's a 10% charge we charged the folks who are putting down payments installments for deeds for spaces.

[0:45:22] And we have about 14 of those ongoing at any one time so that fees not listed here wasn't mentioned yet but in the second reading we do need to have it in that ordinance, if you approve. that covers that covers our labor on that I'm sorry and that's an existing fee that we currently charge it's just ratifying it in the ordinance it's not a change it's not a new implementation it covers though our labor on that well and that one it's yes yes I mean there's administrative labor related that one it does cover that yes and a fee or an interest rate it's an interest rate Eddie Rodney that's all I have other than I would like to see that it that that all All the fees cover the cost myself. Got it. I agree with Mr. Fleming. I want all of our fees to cover the costs. I don't want them to be less, and that would be my vote, and I've been through this process numerous times, and all I can tell you, it just costs a lot of money to die. Carl or Morgan? So again, I agree, I don't think we should ever provide a service that's not covered through the fee, I don't believe in the rest of the citizens underwriting something like that. But more important where you have kind of what you consider market competition for these E prices, will the cost over the service cost, will that be used for future column very construction or will that just go into general fund? That was going to be at the end of the presentation. Oh, that's the big finish. OK. If we're to that point, we'll finish with the last slide. So as I mentioned before, we don't really have sales history on this, but we do have car proposals that we've checked with others that provide the service. As Morgan mentioned, we estimate about 56,400 in revenues,

[0:47:26] about 4870 and expenses. So we're netting a little over $50,000. Staff does recommend that these fees get approved. And the board is here and they would like to make a recommendation about those. OK, but I would like to know what staff's recommendation is on those fees before the board speaks, because I didn't see that in the memo. That's an excellent question. And one of the things that we do is we treat the cemetery almost as an enterprise fund. And so its resources, its revenue, its expenditures are recorded in its own fund. It is not part of the general fund. It does receive general fund support, but it's largely fee supported by its own operations. So any revenue over expenditure at year end would already go to that fund's fund balance. What we're in danger of here is that the cemetery fund is actually at a negative due to prior year's poor financial performance. The fund balance ended, the unaudited fund balance as of non-30-15 was negative about $100,000. And so we do recognize that there is some benefit from there is absolutely a benefit related to reinvesting the program income from these operations into continued health for growing these operations. And so what one option that could be available to the council would be that we, that finance staff, evaluates the financial performance at the end of each year and that we can bring it to the council as a motion for you to designate a portion of that unbalanced for future improvements, or it's always in that fund balance and available for that. And so that's something that could be part of your motion today, but it's certainly already recorded specifically for Fairmount Cemetery and Fund 440. My personal opinion is that we have in this case a board as well as a non-profit organization that spent a lot of time, their own time, to see this project come to fruition.

[0:49:28] And I would like to see that funds be dedicated for future development like this. And I'm not sure that those volunteers should be, maybe their efforts should be underwriting the entire cemetery if it's not priced appropriately. And I'm kind of like Rodney, I don't know pricing. And I'm way out of my element here, but I would like to see the Columbarium Project encouraged for the future, because I was sold many years ago when we were talking about this really is the future of the cemetery, in the sense of keeping the public interested. It's our history. It's a cemetery and a park at the same time. And to have space available keeps it kind of a living thing, but it does, it's not, it's not left to the side. So if there's a way to do that financially, I think we really should seriously consider it. Johnny? I've got a question on the, or Carl, on the gross revenues, are we cutting ourselves short? I mean, are you just assuming that there's a certain number of people would buy these? How many of these eight by eights are the doubles fit in that, in that, whatever you want to call it? I mean, cause when you, when you coming up with a $6,000 financial impact, those, that's, that's a low number. I will say it's difficult to say in this first year, we do expect that there will be, we already have a waiting list for folks that want to be involved in this service. So we made our assumptions based on a normal year that if we have 400 plus, um, niches and we expect them to fill up over these many years, uh, we had that, that, that data to be able to back into it. So we estimated the sale of the singles, the sale of the doubles, the sale of the 12 by 12, which we expect to be, I think, almost more popular because that is such a unique service. And so we made estimates, and we didn't want to get too far out on a limb with estimating numbers that we couldn't support or didn't actually happen.

[0:51:29] So were we conservative, sure, but we also had, you know, math to back into that that we felt confident in. just look at the 1200 that that's what like five sales at $6,000 that I mean that sounds to me like is way low we would hope you get at least five but I would think you would get it a lot more than that anything any revenue and surplus of budget absolutely is going to just continue with the contributing to the financial help of that fund and so if we didn't want to lean on those a little harder we could but I tell you Carl and Oscar and I spent a lot of time on that we went back and forth on how aggressive do we want to be and we don't want to get into a situation where we budget revenue at a certain level and then fail to achieve that. As long as we're willing annually to look at all fees or on some schedule I'm fine with it as well I think I think you know first our first time this looks pretty good but again where we clearly know we're not covering the fee that's where I would worry. Lucy? You have anything? No sir. Marty? No. I do have a a few questions and I'm going to be the very last one to stand up against those ladies on the fair amount board that's not going to happen but I do have a couple questions why does it cost $650 to open that column barrier it's showing the cost of $717 is that the one the niche opening closing proposed fee of $650 I'm sewing a cost of $717 why does it cost $717 and $4 cents to open that column very. We estimated a cost of labor. We estimated a cost of the materials. They have a key on them. Oh, thanks to be open man. They had a seal. They're sealed. Not a mailbox. And that's what I was saying. I don't know. I couldn't understand why you would call $717 to open and close the box. I visualize a mailbox. That's what I was. No, it's not. It's not a mailbox. It's you. And we did estimate at a cost for the, for the depreciation on the facility

[0:53:31] that we have this, well, I should go back to a picture, but that there are this many faces on it and that depreciates the face every time we touch one of those. And my next question, we're already charging, go back to that last slide, please. We're already charging $1,200 and $1,800 or $2,400. And as far as the proposed fee for opening and closing, there's a difference of $67.04 between the proposed fee and the estimated cost, we're making far more than $67.4 when we sell a columbarium. So why do we want to charge the extra amount? I mean, I'm satisfied with your proposed fee, but we're already, I mean, this is in conjunction with the sale of the columbarium. It's not something open, it's not something above. So why are we charging? Why can't we be satisfied with the fee that we get on the Columbarium, and if it costs $67 more to do it, why can't we just accept this and not pass it on to our consumers? And that's your option, Mayor, if I hear you correctly, that you're saying that this proposed fee of $1,200 is making us money. So if this proposed fee is losing us a little bit of money at the end of the day, we're still profitable. I hear what you're saying, and that's your option, sir. And those are all options. The one thing to remember is that when we started this, As Ms. Grindstaff said, this was a way to encourage continued activity and sales. The cemetery has historically struggled because they don't have a lot of spaces to sell and so we don't meet budget always. So this was a way to try and make the cemetery and the cemetery board did a great job of moving that forward to helping it become more self-sufficient. So what they really tried to do was while we can look at those fees, they wanted to make sure we were within the market. And as you can see by their initial ones they didn't price it over the market they priced it kind of right there in the middle I don't want to over-price ourselves And I know that we can set the prices today and if our board sees it we're too high we can come back and adjust these things

[0:55:35] but Now I don't I don't see why we're fussing over $67.00 and four cents when we're already making our money on the call of barrier. We're not make a motion to approve as presented then Hmm, then I'd love to know how can accept that did you have something else I have a question yes but it's more of Carl or possibly the board if you would jump back to the photo of yes thank you have we made for future you know we're hoping that more people go to this we're able to fit more people into the cemetery by by doing this but did we make plans for in the future as some sort of design around the Calibarium for people who have their loved ones cremated and they buy their own rock or stone that fits the ashes down in and it's sealed, you know, to place around there so that they're not lined up like mailboxes. Is that in the future plans? We can probably speak to their fundraising efforts on engraving pavers, But in terms of putting ashes in the ground, it's not part of the plan right now, but it could be added later. It gives more individual, instead of grouping, I know one of the rocks that I had purchased for my father-in-law, and it's at the cemetery, but it's not in the Columbarium, but he wanted to be separate. That was where his wishes and he was willing to pay a little extra for the individual site. site, but it was right there at over in Merckville, Texas, if you wanted to drive over and look at it. Those are all things they can consider. You'll see in their plan they have an area where the the con bearing can be expanded with additional spots, but we can look at that area surrounding there and see if there are other opportunities that would be. That was my question, if it can expand easily to for future growth or for the individuals

[0:57:40] who prefer that. have a question I want to go back to the opening closing please tell me that if I am at as a customer you're not going to charge me 650 or 770 whatever to open it right you got to open it to put the box and then okay wait a minute let me finish and then you're not going to charge me another to close it right it's just a one-time open the only time you're going to charge me to open it is a If I were to want to come back and remove or move somewhere else, is that what you're telling me? Take me out for a wall. Add a family member. It's actually associated with the service. If you're having the service there to place the ashes in the niche, we actually set up for that service. How is it sealed? Why do you seal those? It's actually kind of secret. So it can be secured, but there's a special tool you use to to remove the vandalized, so it's a front kind of cement against stone. It's not a common tool. It's a special tool. I think you have another question, sir. No, I moved to approve as presented only raising the cost up to the cost to cover each one. No, she said we we already had a motion and the motion and here let me amend my motion to bring up the one fee that was not 10% adequate to cover the cost of service yes to do that our motion is to approve as presented with the addition of the 10% entry fee no no 10% and the service fee on the on the payment schedule and the niche opening closing to raise that to cover the estimated cost of service and my reasoning for that Duane is that this is a business and we need to and we We lose money every year. The cemetery loses money every year and we have to pull money out of the general fund and pull it over to that area. We need to make as much money as possible on this endeavor in order to make it successful

[0:59:42] in the future on building more of these niches and servicing the community as best we can. That's why. That was my thought on raising. And I don't like gouging people, I realize that it's a lot. That sounded like a lot to me. But when you hear that a plot is the same cost without even digging or doing anything like that, and also the amount of room that you take up, because this really does have to be the future on this because we are running out of space, and this is something that I would definitely do myself. Okay. Sure. Elizabeth has said, change it from 657-1704, add the 10% interest charge, and everything else as presented we round that up to seven twenty seven twenty five and eighteen seven twenty twenty five will be fine I'll second twenty five we'll go from seven seventeen to seven twenty five okay seven twenty five open and close ten percent for the interest and and everything he has presented. Is that your second, Rodney? Yes, it is. Further comment from Council? I have comment from the public on this. Good morning, ma'am. My name is Jacqueline Martin, and I'm currently serving as our board president for the Fairmont Cemetery. First off, I just want to thank the Council for its past support on this project of which these two niches are apart. Charlotte, you mentioned the future development, And these two are, two of six proposed instructions from the heart of it to start off. So, not to be confused with pavers, which the Friends of Fairmont is a separate organization

[1:01:48] is also selling as further fundraising towards our ultimate long-range plan, the niches and then ultimately some other things within the cemetery. Again, thank you for your support. We've approved our long-range plan, our master plan, a couple of years ago. And then most recently we've had the land exchange with Angelos State University, which also goes a long way towards fulfilling our plan of having a multi-use facility with parking. And I have to mention friends of Fairmont because they fundraise towards this project. Elizabeth, you referred to that. There are separate organization from our board. We have our Fairmont board. A number of members on our Fairmont board are also very active within friends, but it's a separate organization. And like mentioned, they worked very hard to raise money towards this plan with the city. They also work hard, I have to mention the stones and bones, as an example, this year bringing 500 elementary school age children into the seminary to do hands-on activities, which goes a long way to teaching those children about the history of San Angelo through the activities that they do within the cemetery every year. But today on behalf of the seminary board, I recommend that the net revenue raised from the Columbarian niche sales be reserved in a designated capital improvement fund. I feel like it's very important that we establish a fund that the city can use to further the momentum that's currently underway towards the completion of what we started within the master plan. Additionally, a fund would help offset the amount of money requested from the city in the future as Elizabeth mentioned. come, and you've been generous, but it would be very nice to have a fund that

[1:03:53] will allow us to expand and do the other four structural embarrier structures, and ultimately the completion of our master plan. Unless there's any questions, that's what I have today. Thank you very much, ma'am. Do I have further public comment? well I believe it's time to call for the vote all y'all in favor please say aye any opposed say nay put a 7-0 on that one please it is 938 my back hurts I need about ten minutes to walk around how about you Charlotte yeah let's take let's take about 20 minutes because I want to look at the new police In session, we are now to item number D on our regular agenda, which is a report on the condition of the Lord's peer at Lake Nesworthy, located in Mary E. Lee Park, and give direction to staff regarding its use in this position. Mr. White, you are on, sir. This peer at Lake Nesworthy, Mary E. Lee Park, it's really just right behind the Nature Center. It's about 60 years old. As we all know, it's popular with anglers. You'll go out there, We often see folks out there fishing or just hanging out. We've known about the deteriorating condition of the pier for a few years. So this year, late last year, we took the opportunity to hire the engineers freeze and nickels to do an assessment, official assessment of the pier and give us a recommendation on it. They did that assessment on January 21st and they submitted their report on February 4th of this year. Here's the pier. There's the connection And I will just show some of the pictures from the report probably some of the worst ones This shows some of the distressed piles of course the the pier is setting on piles wooden piles have been driven into

[1:05:54] The ground to bedrock. This is the condition of some of the worst of those pile heads. You can see where it's Almost completely deteriorated Another one This is a distressed power cap. It's the cross member that goes on top of the piles. See how it's deteriorated. This is some of the supports for the flooring. See how it's sagging and not well supported. Distressed another distressed floor frame. You can see how bad it's really deteriorating there. at the connection to the bank, how the connection is deteriorating, and it's getting undercut here with a damaged walking surface, and the railing isn't present in a few locations, and it doesn't meet accessible standards. In conclusion, in the report that was submitted, they do recommend that we close the pier and we are we have closed the pier unfortunately they talked about either repairing or replacing it they do not recommend repairing it they say you really can't repair it the condition is it is in they recommend if you want one to replace it their costs estimates to replace it are range from 260,000 to 330,000 that doesn't count the cost of removal of the existing pier If we want to put it back in that same location, and that cost is estimated about $40,000. And depending on how you build that period, you could create like a party location at the end where you could rent it out to bring some revenue in, some ongoing revenue in.

[1:08:00] So we seek Council's direction regarding the condition of this period, and it's where I'm at. an adventure to walk on that thing. Rodney, I'll start with you. This is in your district, sir. It's basically the same size as what's there now, correct? But that wouldn't be like, because you and I had talked about when we'd met out there about doing possible cover on the end of it or something. Like a pavilion? Yeah, like a pavilion on the very end of it. Is there some way that we can make it smaller to save some money and not go out quite as far and maybe do a pavilion out there because this one is very wide and and I know why I know it's wide because of the fishing but there's you know I've been watching it for the last several years there's never more than three or four fishermen out there at any given time at the same time. Alright and they don't they don't necessarily go all the way out here sometimes they're just lined up. Yes. Yeah. What I'm saying is make it narrower and not go out as far into the lake as possible. Is there a possibility of doing that to do some cost savings on this? I think that we do, my opinion is that we do need to do another peer out there. We do need to get rid of this peer. I would like to see if we could come up with some money on some way to do that. But I'd like to also not spend $330,000 on it. Well, actually, it would be 330 plus 40, it would be 370 at the high end. With the removal, with the removal, so. And we have to remove it. Do you know if there are any, or this may be a finance question, if there are any dollars available in the Lake Nazareth fund that we could use to at least start a design to work with them, it'll have to be an engineered structure to work with coming up with a design that might meet those criteria and look at locations that might work, so we could research that and see

[1:10:05] if there are funds and we could bring that back to you. I think there is a little bit in there, but there's definitely not enough to build that design board. And then what we could do is look at if there are opportunities in the future through Texas Park and Wildlife or some of those where we might leverage some grant dollars that can help us. But we really usually have to have that design and concept in place in order to then try and leverage those dollars. Well, we really, you know, just like Duane said, and I've been out there recently several times, we need to get it tore down, if nothing else, fairly quickly. Because I don't know how did we block it? It was railing across the front. They're just going to jump the railing. Well, out there, I'm sure. We met at, was it you and I, and we met those fishermen out there that time? I think Shane and Ricky. Oh, it might have been Shane and Ricky. That's right. About three months ago, I think we met several fishermen out there, and they were begging us to make sure that it doesn't go away. And there is the lake there. I think maybe about 20 feet. I know that's where we dock a lot. You know, we may enter the lake on the other side of the building over there, but when we need to come back for any supplies or whatever we dock out there, and we usually have to wait for other boats to leave, you know, when we're trying to dock. And I tell everybody, travel at your own risk when they step out of the boat. What we could do is come back to you all we could, now that we know, you know, you agree with the concept trying to look at ways to redo it, we could bring back a plan of how to go ahead and demo this particular site and then a plan for what it would cost to hire an engineer to get some something designed where we could start working for that as a project to construct. Would council consensus be to go ahead and move forward on this and that we would like to keep the Doc and find ways to do it. Oh, I definitely want to. Marty. Johnny. Yeah, I agree, but I

[1:12:09] thought surely there's enough money in the net where they find to at least demo it. Is there not? We spent it on the police station. No, it ain't Rodney's police station. We were using a bunch of money out of that and you only get to use 10% a year or something of the the interest. Charlie, are you in favor of my consensus to move forward? Lucy? Yes. Elizabeth. Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. This area, when you look at the master planning work that we've done around the lake, what does it suggest for the area? I mean, is it peer development or party peer development? That's right. Near the location where we talked about like a hotel with a marina. So it does... So this isn't contrary to that. Right. brings up a good point I'd like to whatever when we work on that design and the concept look at that whole plan and it doesn't have to be in this exact location there may be another spot that works better where it's cheaper to construct all that kind of stuff we'll look at as far as where we replace it. We did the plan. Does that give you what you need Carl? Yes sir. Have one last question. Yes sir John. Speaking of design is the design part of it in this figure? How much are we looking at for design cost? You typically look at eight to 10 percent, so. Any further comments from council? Public comment on this item. I believe consensus is to move forward on this because we do want to keep it. Thank you. All right. You stay where you are, Carl Dumber. He is discussing direct staff on proposed improvements and their funding at the Sculpture Garden and Sunken Garden Park. Mr. White, quick orientation of where the Sculpture Garden is. This park is called Sunken Garden Park. It's the home of the Cana Garden. It's near the Visitor Center. It's on South Abe Street and is bordered on the north by the North Conchle River. And just to show you, right now, if you want to get to the Sculpture Garden, you can

[1:14:16] legally park, not in the road, but along the sidewalk there, along the sidewalk here, along the sidewalk here. You can also park here or here and walk down this way, the security is route to the sculpture garden. Now some people are just cutting across, since this is such a nice place to park, to come down and then go up the slope that doesn't have any steps walkway to get to the Sculpture Garden. This shows that access where I just show where folks are just walking up the slope. This is directly underneath Abe Street and connected to the River Trail. It shows the top of there. There's no walkways connecting to the Sculpture Garden. This shows the Sculpture Garden. The sculptures are set on pads throughout the section of the park with no walkways. families. Some sculptures don't have pads. As you may know, the Sculpture Garden, efforts to begin the Sculpture Garden were started by the private sector. The private family approached us and the art museum to start this. We started it. It's now on its fourth year. It's funded by the private sector and supported by the Fine Arts Museum. And it has been very popular with the public, and we have attempted in the past to secure some grant funding for some improvements there, but have not yet met the success. We talk about some of the improvements we'd like to do. We really want to try to enhance the visitors experience at the Sculpture Garden. So to do that, add some walkways, some steps, and some connections, improve the turf that's out there with improving the existing irrigation system or replacing that irrigation system, adding some lighting, adding some benches, drinking fountain, and other visitor needs.

[1:16:20] We estimate if we did a lot of those improvements in house, we're looking at about $85,000. If we added a new irrigation system that bumps it up to about $240,000. And if we do the new irrigation system, and we'd add about $10,000 to $70,000 in additional watering costs. So, not necessarily asking for any kind of action today, but here you can if I think you would like to. No, it's just really just a discussion. So we want to get some direction, some interest in council, how we'd like to proceed with this. The sculpture guard is popular, it's a great asset. We know that some of it needs to be made there, and we just want to talk about that. And Mr. Richard Salmon is here, and Howard Taylor with the Art Museum are here, and I think they also want to talk. About if we bring them forward first, we comment and then we'll discuss it. Mr. Tater. Good morning. Good morning, sir. Our Taylor, Director of the Art Museum. Mr. Simons, a little shy. He decided to stay back there. I did want to point out that this all began with a review at the City Council and with the Parks Department and the Art Commission, and we were delighted. It was Mr. Simons who chose this location. He had the inspiration has for many years. I will remind you that he is a retired businessman, former owner of Wenland Steel, so he has contributed greatly to our economy over the years, but also to, I think, our community well-being. He led the effort years ago, probably many of you, most of you weren't even born yet, but he led the effort for the river stage and many other projects. So when he came to our museum and we had long wanted to do a major program like this, but who didn't have the resources, and he presented this, and then he selected this site,

[1:18:21] and at first I was a little skeptical of why there. But a very interesting thing, one little challenge we've had with the artist, when we say sunken garden, they say, well, does anybody gonna see our things if it's sunken? But in fact, as you look at the diagram there, or the image of probably about 80% of the garden is really at street level and very visible. And I think that has really added tremendously to its appeal over the years I think you all recognize that the sunken garden which is beautifully planted has been a major attraction to the community People go there for writing photographs and so forth But the upper area which is also quite attractive when you pass by it in a vehicle When you get up close there are some challenges and issues And since we have been doing this there, we've recognized what those challenges are. You can get little birds on your feet and so forth when you walk around. I will say that the Parks Department and their staff have been very cooperative and helpful with us and we've worked together. So we have no challenges or problems. There are a couple little things I wanted to mention that the people who juror this show are leaders in our world, our world, nationally and internationally. So immediately it gives our community a presence far beyond our community and we spend a lot of money marketing this nationally and internationally. So it's getting the image of San Angelo out there. We also have an invited artist each year. And the first artist in the first year was a remarkable person who knows our community while Jesus Morales and tragically he died this year prematurely in an automobile accident. I attended his memorial service which was held in Houston, and there's one of the most beautiful public monuments in the world, the police memorial that he created, and it was held there with hundreds of people throughout the world, because he has more than a thousand commissions in

[1:20:22] Asia, Europe, and all over the United States. But the amazing thing that I wanted to relate to you is that many of the people who were there talked about San Angelo because Jesus talked about San Angelo had a real affection for our community and was extremely proud of the fact that he was our first artist that was selected as the visiting artist and he also did a workshop and was working with the museum on some other related projects also I'll point out that even within our community the Chamber of Commerce and many other agencies are now prominently featuring photographs from the sculpture garden so think it's had a really wonderful impact on the community and then also we have other partners, Angelo State University, provides a little bit of financial support and also we do a symposium on campus that draws students and people from around the country who attend that. The Chicken Fire and Art Center has hosted workshops and then many other individuals have provided support. The funding for this This has come entirely from the private sector, from Mr. Salman, from the museum's budget, and from individuals and businesses, and it cost us approximately $60,000 a year. There's a lot of cost involved in this, with the marketing, the prize money, the leading juror, and so forth. So anyhow, we really want to encourage you to look at what Carl has proposed. We've been talking to him for a long time. We recognize the constraints the city has. I think everyone does, you're challenged every day, but I would like to make this point, but with all the desirable projects in this community, there's very few that have the level of visibility that this does. The highway department, I swear they told me two million, but I don't like to exaggerate or lie, you know that, I hope. So I'll say at least a million vehicles passed by every year,

[1:22:23] And, you know, that's not the ideal way to experience the garden, but they do. And we have a lot of visitors at the museum who come from around the country, sometimes in business, and sometimes just to see the museum. And you'll love this. I was an Abilene yesterday. They have had a major sculpture event there for almost 35 years, and they're very proud of it. And it doesn't have one-tenth visibility that ours does because of where it's located. And it's become a really significant asset. We have not been able to count the number of people that go there, but it's considerable. And you can drive by almost any day and you'll see couples strolling. You see lots of group photographs being taken, which I think is rather charming. And then people are sending me pictures all of the time, and I don't have a power point for you. This is my power point, but I thought this was rather interesting, once in a hundred year snowstorm, but really beautiful. people are sending images all the time to the museum and talking about how much they enjoy this so I think it's something that I certainly hope you will consider investing in and enhancing this relatively small park. It's kind of our central park in a sense that works located and it could be much more of an amenity to the community and we'd like to continue to partner with you and invest And so we are working Mr. Salmon and our team to look at other ways to enhance this in the years forward. And just this past week, Angelo State University through our department has expressed an interest in kind of expanding the competition to include the campus. So I think that it's spreading throughout the community. And the final thing I'll say is years ago when I came here, somebody said, do you think will ever be an art destination like Santa Fe, and I had to chuckle and think to myself, well, that's a nice aspiration, but now I'm telling people that at one point,

[1:24:23] I was saying that we'll be known as the Santa Fe of Texas, now I'm saying that Santa Fe will be known as the San Angelo of New Mexico. So we're making progress, you know, we have our National Ceramic Competition, we have our Plane Air Program, which I think you're aware of, the new performing arts center coming online. So I see this as an opportunity to really run up the flag for the future of our community and really build, I think, another important aspect of our economy here. And since this began with a businessman who's contributed significantly to the economy as an industrialist and as a patron, I think it's appropriate that we look at it from the viewpoint of being an investment in the future. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Simon, did you like to make a statement? No. No. No. Well, I appreciate what you've done out there. You've been the catalyst that's caused this to happen, and I thank you very much. Johnny, I think this is in your area. Did you have anything to add or to talk about? The first question I had when I saw the photo is how old is this photo? It was just it was this one or it was just Snowstorm we had a few what have no I'm talking about the one that's on the screen because what happened to our bank What happened to our bank stabilization? So it's got to be an old photo. There's nothing there. That one's out of my department Carl You know I've always been an advocate of Areas like this, you know the museum of fine arts is one of my my best you know feathers in my head in my district I'm very proud of it and all that's happened down there If there's a way to come up with the funding I totally am agreement that you know this does enhance San Angelo this does make us a Santa Fe, New Mexico style of you know city so again it takes nothing but the green backs and if there's any out there to add to this idea I'm okay with it so possibly I could say that

[1:26:26] consensus is is that we have Carl work with Howard an ASU and mr. Salman yes and determine what we can do down there to make this more attractive in a budget that we can afford and bring something back to us that we can that we can look at would that be a fair consensus yes ma'am well but are we going to see this when we see all the other CIP requests in the spring because we're that's where we are now in this budget cycle we do I know we're having our CIP meetings here actually tomorrow night and on Tuesday but we take all those ideas and also So we address them in our priorities in the workshop on the 8th of March. So we have an opportunity to talk about that and really prioritize what we feel those projects that we do want to take a look at. And this project is currently in the CIP. It was added last year. I just want to make sure everybody knows that if we kind of stay in the cycle then we're looking at everything at the same time and the prioritization is easier and to me it's kind of a cleaner process. This is a great project, but everybody has their projects that they're going to be championing, and I'm sure it will rise quite well. Charlotte? Well, I'm absolutely 100% for and providing, but I have a question and a suggestion. Call your better than I am at history, but I know you're a history buff but if you come down Washington Street and turn up there to you know get to the park isn't it right there at the corner the last two houses coming south that's where the stage stop was originally that came through San Angelo from San Antonio I believe it is right there and since it's now that's private property we can't do anything but across the street is

[1:28:27] there's some sort of bronze or plaque that we could include in the project that states you know the date and I think it's Wells Fargo this is where the stage stopped the overnight the buildings across the street what I was used as like a hotel the accommodations and I think we're missing the opportunity to promote our history if we don't include that in at this time that's what I would like to see I'm for 100 percent, but I would like for you to research that and include some sort of recognition for that area. Very good to get. I like these public private partnerships. I mean, they work. I really second that. I think, oh, I'm not on the council. I can't second it, but I like that idea very much. Mr. White wrote a wonderful history of the park that I wish was there also. And I think it's important. We don't just build over things, but we memorialize. And I think that's I just feel like it would be a huge plus for our area and after seeing the room next door and the old west set up, you know, that's what brought people through here to stay overnight and to enjoy our river that runs through it and the beautiful trees and stuff that was there for recognition, I think it's a draw. The left wing. How do y'all feel about this? Bring us back something Carl and let's let's discuss this again. I think it's a wonderful idea It's part of the CIP process. It's already in the CIP process, then we can continue it there. Okay. Thanks. Good idea Thank you, Mr. Salmon that everything you need buddy sir Alrighty, let's move on now Well stay where you are because you got the next one, too First public hearing is this item number ever consider introducing in order to

[1:30:27] many chapter 9 article 9.02 section 902.01 to allow for an enforced designated dog park. Mr. White. I like the broad range of items that we get to bring to the council from column barriers of dog park ordinances to sculpture gardens. As you know the the dog Park, we're talking about located here at College Hills and Millbrook along the Red Warrior Trail. Before we get this park open we wanted to have council adopt some ordinances related to the management of those dog parks and I guess is it okay if I read these because it's fairly short so this would become part of the the parks ordinance. Generally visitors shall obey park hours which are from Sunrise to Sunset Daily, unless otherwise closed for maintenance or after-equipment weather events, obey all other rules that govern the city of San Angel Parks, stay within the park and within the view of the dog at all times. No person shall bring into an off-leash area. A dangerous dog is defined by Section 822.041 of the Texas Health and Safety Code as amended, and that's not a breed, any type of breed. It's a dog that's proven itself to be dangerous. A female dog in heat, more than two dogs at a time, a dog that is not currently registered, vaccinated, and spayed or neutered in compliance in chapter three of this code. Any person who brings a dog into a designated dog park facility shall keep their dogs in the appropriate area as designated by signs, dispose of all fecal matter in the appropriate container, carry a visible leash at all times, keep the dogs under voice control at all times, Remove any dog showing any sign of aggression towards any person or animal immediately. Remove any dog excessively barking, not much more.

[1:32:27] And I wanted to read these because folks will be watching the presentation and are interested in the dog park and how we're going to run it. The following is prohibited in all of the fenced areas of the dog park, sick animals, professional training, spike or pinch colors, food for humans or dogs, including treats, children under the age of 10, children between the ages of 10 and 16 years, unaccompanied by a responsible adult, children chasing or otherwise taunting or harassing dogs within the park, visitor acknowledgment, the use of a designated dog park by any dog constitutes implied consent of the owner, harbor, or person having care custody or control of the dog to comply with all conditions and regulations stated in this section are posted at the dog park site. Acknowledges that visitors are slowly responsible for damage and injury caused by their dog. A waiver of liability to the city by the owner, harbor, or person having care custody or control of the dog in agreement to protect, identify, defend, and hold harmless for any injury or damage caused by the dog during any time the dog is in a designated dog park. And finally, penalty, a person who violates a provision of this division shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and find in a sum not to exceed $500. We repeated violations by resulting dogs and our owners being prohibited from future use of the facility by the director of Parks and Recreation. That is the proposed ordinance for operation of the dog park. We need that ordinance to be in place so that they could be effectively enforced by the police if we have any issues that we seek adoption. with all of that I know before we had talked about some of the signs that prohibits motorized vehicles of any kind and it's that is around the dog park as well but that does not prohibit wheelchairs that are motorized that that is

[1:34:30] an exception with the exception of handicapped does that need to be stated in there I'll double check okay that's a good point you're talking really just about the trails and all the trails around them. Yeah, the questions? It's children under 10. That means no children will be allowed in this thing under 10. And then from 18 down, they must be supervised, or with the adult. 10 to 16 supervised by the adult. 10 to 16 by the, above 16 by their own is fine. Yes, but under 10 would not be allowed, mainly because of the, they made panic with the dogs around them. They could get knocked over by the dogs. We took most of these ordinances from the one of the dog bark in the abilene That's where most of these came from looking to ask if that was the norm at others There's been an existence for a while right six years Yeah, so they've had a little time to look at those and see what works and what doesn't work And so that's where we're coming from so if you've got an eight-year-old and his mother and daddy are walking the dog eight You're okay be there Yes by this ordinance And they're supervised, they're supervised. No, not under 10, no children under 10, totally in print. From 10 to 16, they can be with the supervision. But this says the way it's written, if a child's under 10, they cannot even go in the park. They are exempt. They can't go in there at all. That doesn't sound realistic, Carl. Well, it's not like it's a park or a playground. It is a location where there's dogs and we don't know the behavior of the dogs at all times. And they could scare the kids and knock over the kids, so we're trying to be concerned about the children. That's why these projects are difficult. I mean, they really are. It's, you know, whose safety is paramount in the situation. You're close to Unidad Park, so there are facilities built for children in the area.

[1:36:35] But this is for dogs to be able to run without a leash, and I think we need to be very careful. You've got some dogs are running without a leaf, so if the family wants to play with the small child, there's areas where they can do that as a family, but in this case the dogs are running around and I know my kids have got knocked over by the dog running and then they, you know, where it goes from there. I can understand the large dog area, but what about the small dog area? Is that also the ten-year-old and under? Do you do the same? Same. I think the issue, too, sometimes kids are very playful and they don't think they might Grab a dog by the tail or something that might cause a dog to go to a more aggressive. So I think what would you know about that? It's a good starting point. I totally agree with a 10 and under that It could go either way, but I think we have to start somewhere I do agree with the 10 years old and my little great grandbaby will be two next week next Monday And she loves dogs, she's got big dogs and a little bitty dog, but she believes all dogs should get a kiss from her. She likes to kiss them. So if she ran after broke loose from her mother to run with a dog that was playing, it's not accustomed to a two-year-old putting her face down there for a kiss, it could be a mishap. She would be a mishap. do I have any other questions that was the only one I had I just I just didn't think it sounded realistic but obviously it is public comment on this item in one which speak I think it's just I just think it's a hard one because I think there are people in the public that won't understand and I think we have to get started with something but I think there's a reason to do it this way and then we just we live with it it's a good story yeah that's good story we can

[1:38:35] I always come to mention it, takes four votes to change. I'll move to approve this item as presented. Second. Do I have a motion to approve? It's presented, I do have a second. We have called for council discussion, is there any more worth? I have called for public comment, last call. All in favor please say aye. Aye. Opposed may. Put a 7-0 on that one. Thank you Mr. White, we're through with you now. Aww. Gee, it's first public hearing, consider introducing an order in commending Article 2.07 Board's Committee's Commissions, Division 18, Animal Shelter Advisory Committee of Ordinance and City of St. Angelo by replacing Division 18 of Article 2.07 of St. Angelo Code of Ordinance's with new terms and conditions to include clarifying the composition of committee membership to comply with state requirements. Mr. Silas, you have the floor, sir. Good morning. If Council recalls staff recommended making some changes to the Animal Shelter Advisory Committee ordinance during the I believe it was the December 15th meeting. We met with the ASAC who approved the recommended changes as provided. I think some of the main changes include updating the membership to include a city or county official or a person and a person whose main duties include working at a shelter and that is by state law. Also we want to make the change to allow members who meet one of required positions to exceed the terms of the limits until a suitable replacement can be identified. As in case we have a vet for example and he can't we can't find a replacement this terms up we can you can keep them on until we get somebody else. And then the lastly the main change another main change is we're recommending changing the median times from four times per year to a minimum of three times per year or as needed and this will provide us some flexibility and we're

[1:40:36] asking council to approve it. I don't have a problem with any of it. Council, someone to approve is presented. Do I have a second? I do have a motion to approve. Do I have discussion on this item? Do I have public comment on this item? All in favor please say aye. And opposed nay. Thank you Mr. Silas. And we have pulled item number eight which leads us item number I which is discussion and possible action regarding policies and our ordinances related to registered sex offenders in the city of St. Angelo. Chief Vasquez? I got us back on the agenda because I wanted to give you an update. I know there were some questions in regards to League City and Lewisville. Lewisville implemented their ordinance in 2008 and in 2008 when they implemented they had 72 sex offender registered in their area, they are currently down about 51. They do have MHMR facilities as well as a parole office there. Leak City does not have either one of those parole office or MHMR facilities. So to determine whether or not, we are still unable to determine why we are getting so many parolees and sex offenders here as you know we know we received a letter I think a senator y'all so you can read it the sex offender ordinance received quite a bit of a media attention statewide over the last several weeks because of the organization that was protesting the smaller cities that were implementing the ordinances so I just wanted to bring you an update us to bars what Lewisville and and Lake City were seeing, and if we were, there was any commonalities between our three cities

[1:42:37] to determine why we were receiving so many enrollees. When you spoke to us before, Chief, you talked about, I believe it's called the Soap Program. That's a program that was generated out of the police department, but is there not a reason that we shouldn't consider making that a local program by local ordinance you know I'm not opposed to that it was something that I that I thought we needed to do and so I created the program in 2006 if you wanted to implement something like that as an ordinance yeah I'm assuming you could it's not it's just something that we do to make sure that that we check on each registered sex offender make sure they're in compliance with their restrictions you know what I think what And it was interesting to me was to find out how many cities didn't have the kind of program that we've implemented here. And maybe if that was carried on through ordinance, you know, that's something that keeps our community safe. There's a lot of, this is a very complicated issue, and we don't want, we want to encourage rehabilitation and there's a society. And I think the program that you have is a nice balance to that. And so in maybe without feeling the need to move forward with other or stringent programs that may not really yield the success of the public thinks that they would, I might like to see us look at making that an ordinance in the future. The only thing that in regards to creating as an ordinance is obviously that you would set a time or the amount of times that we would check the offender. Currently when we started the program it was monthly on all offenders. As the offender number rose and the workload increased on the officers, more officers took

[1:44:42] on more offenders, we've now changed it to quarterly. So in the ordinance, I could probably get what's recent, we can look at it, and maybe on those that have 90-day restrictions that have to register every 90 days, maybe we can check those specific offenders monthly and maintain the other ones quarterly. Well, I think in the end, that's a budget issue with regard to, you know, your labor. I just think that some of the things that we talked about last time give the public a false sense of security and are not effective methods, but I think that, you know, your department is using something that is working and I would like to see maybe that encourage the coordinates, but that's my own opinion. Johnny? Remind me of the numbers, our numbers? About 320. In San Angelo. When I started the program, the SOAP program in 2006, it was 120. Do we control where these folks live, I mean, close to schools or not, or is there... They are giving their restrictions when they meet with their parole officer. And that's... I think initially, Lucy, if I'm right, when they come in, in their initial restrictions, they cannot be within so many feet of a school. Or they even get here, they do a pre-pro investigation which states that we have to do, or the pro office does an investigation and they have to go out there and see if the home where they're going to parole to is 500 feet from any child safety zone. So if it is, if it's passed by 500 feet, then we approve, they approve the plan. If it isn't, then they, you know, they go ahead and say, no, they can come live because It's practically across the street from the school, like daycare center, anything like that. So the other thing that we were,

[1:46:42] that I don't know if we're gonna look at or decide or what we're gonna do is the ordinance about how far the feet, I mean, is it gonna stay, I mean, are we gonna put that on your feet? Is it gonna go further? I mean, I don't know what we're gonna decide on that. Lastly, I have visited your website before, but all these 300 plus sex offenders on your website, and is it every one of them on there, or are they required to be? Yes, the law required us to make that information available. And every time when we used to have years ago, so again, years ago, when I first became chief, when we had a sex offender come in, we would submit that to the standard times, and they would post the picture and a little information on the offender. And then initially, they did that for free. And then sometime in about 2004, 2005, they started charging us to do that. So that's when we started putting them out on our website instead. All the ones that are registered in the city of San Diego are on our website. I don't think a lot of the public knows that that's out there. So I think maybe educating the public that are interested in seeing, you never know, it could be your neighbor, to visit your website and go through that. I was amazed at what I saw, so. I can't believe we have 300 plus out there. That is crazy. Olive? Well, the letter that you're referring to that all of us got, I had prepared a response, which I'm going to read now in public, but I will turn it over to the city manager and the city attorney to make sure that I'm not violating anything, but it was in opposition to us having a sex offender registry. In my review of the statistics provided make it easier to think of those who truly want to start their life over. They need every opportunity that can be afforded to them. However, the packet does not contain any information denoting what the victims' rights

[1:48:45] are and how they get to start their life over with a clean slate. There is no mention of how many are able to start their lives over if indeed they survive. If our laws or restrictions were severe enough in the beginning, would it be enough to prevent these horrific acts from happening? If sex offender crimes were a major felony, would a person be less likely to commit such an act, especially with a child? Agreeably, there needs to be less government in our lives and we as individuals should be far more responsible for ourselves and our families. Business owners should be far more responsible in their policies and restrictions concerning sex offenders while on their property or not on their property. In cases where due diligence should be exercised, it should be noted, it should be done in order to protect those who serve, that you serve. who protects the innocence of a child, the elderly or the disabled, when they are not safe to go to the park or playground swimming pool or the fair, who protects them. When we govern ourselves all of these activities come under the responsibility of our caregiver. Every adult should be more active in the protection of those unable to do so for themselves. These acts continue and as I read in last week's news. These sex offenders continue to get released on probation or charges dismiss because the child is too young to testify. Could it be because our laws are not strong or harsh enough to aid the prevention of such crimes? We can write and pass all kinds of ordinances are laws, but we can't make people read or abide by them. We can't force morality, but

[1:50:48] is there a way to keep our public accesses and places as safe as possible? To be bombarded with stats protecting the criminal and how their civil rights must be offered or protected is very disappointing. What about the victims' rights? If you lose your right to vote when you were convicted of a crime, how do criminals maintain the right of civil rights? It appears to me that we should be offering a resolution to the citizens of San Angelo to aid the police in the follow-up procedure and to aid in the traffic and recording. To me, this subject should be taken up at the state legislature with cities to follow their guidelines. This is a major problem that needs major attention and we should do all that we possibly can to protect especially our children but those who are unable to protect themselves against such crimes. I strongly believe that our police department is working on the solutions we can offer and I would like to see the committee work with the attorney and to continue to report progress to us as to what we can do. I'm not ready to approve an ordinance that I can't enforce, but I'd like to see something that I can enforce, possibly a resolution to the support that you need from possibly city staff to help in the follow-up of these registered sex offenders to make sure that the follow-up is getting done. If that's an option that you need, I'm willing to work with you on the subject. I know with the with the soap program that we have in place, most offenders will

[1:52:50] Will work with us and understand why we're doing what we're doing We've had a few that complain We've had a few that refused to Answer the door, but we'll still know what they drive and where they live and all those other things You know the or I don't remember what the name of the organization was that sent that letter they probably have not had somebody send a letter like that to them so that might be a good thing to send to them. I think really where we're at now is Council has to make a decision if you want to create an ordinance and if you do want to create an ordinance what do you want it to say and if you don't want to create an ordinance on restrictions then we need to know that as well so we can I would like to actively pursue looking at either a resolution or an ordinance and what the city can offer to help working with the city attorney if the rest of the council, you know, it may be that we come up with not an ordinance. It may be that we send a strong recommendation to the legislative floor. I know that this letter came from Texas voices for reason and justice, but it's all about the criminal, and I'm all about the victim. I will say that the child crimes, the child's sex crimes, are already major felonies. The arrestor made, you know, the district attorney's office has a very difficult time in any type of sex offense, but specifically with children, and I believe that more often and then not they visit with the family before they make a decision to do probation or before they dismiss a charge. I'm sure not all families are happy with the results, but I'm sure that they are explained. You know, obviously we will arrest and throw everybody in jail that commits those crimes under a major felony, but once it gets in the court system, it's up to the courts to determine what happens.

[1:54:51] With the council's permission, I would like to work with our city attorney and you, and I would like to get some real numbers from Tongren County cases that have been before or how many to add some real statistics to give us an idea of where we need to focus our energies and focus what should or should not be in an ordinance if that comes to pass, but I firmly believe that more study needs to be done before we jump out there and gunsling a solution, because there's not an easy solution to this. We're talking about after a crime has happened, but we want to get in there to prevent, and especially in all of the dollars and the people that visit our beautiful city and our parks and our recreation. I agree. We don't need a false sense of security out there, but we need to do everything and exhaust every avenue. I believe it was there except a ride that said the biggest cause of problems is solutions. So yes, we do need to be very careful on this. Are you sure he said that? I think that's what he said. If I'm not mistaken. Does that kind of give you an idea of what we need to kind of put some more together? I think you've got an excellent program working already, Chief. I think that you have hit this already. I think that San Angelo has probably hit the rest of it. And I think what you're doing right now, I think it's very good. I think you have already hit this. I'll sit down with Theresa next week and work on it. And if there's something we can do to tweak it, then we can always do. And when I look at it, in the big perspective, I've got a program that monitors our sex offenders. I have that program. And the programs, I believe, is effective. However, we continue to see the population grow of those offenders, and it's putting

[1:56:53] a more significant workload on the officers. It does come back to staffing and those type of things. So we had more people that'd be great. But that being said, when I'm reading these reports of the sex offenses, again, large majority are against children and are perpetrated by a relative in their home. That is a, that's an alarming percent. An ordinance is not going to stop that. An ordinance is not going to do it. It's not going to do it. And that's to me why I think it's all sense of security because a parent still has to parent and a parent still has to know where a child is. And they're ultimately responsible for keeping their child safe. And like we learned the other week, we have registered sex offenders who are living within the bounds of the law who also are allowed to go visit their child and have lunch with them at the elementary school. And so, there's no easy solution to this, but I'm like Charlotte, more information is necessary. I personally like the idea though of going forward with an ordinance that, because I think that is something that should be lauded and is working, and I think most of the police officers that I've talked to feel really good about that, even though, as you say, they've gone from a monthly to a quarterly, you know, check it. But they feel that that's time well spent. I, yes, ma'am. The police officers I visited with, too, about this. They feel like that there's lack of publicity or knowledge out there about the SOAP program. And, you know, possibly we can help with that. So just wanted to add that. Let's have this move on. I think we've had many. I have consensus on the left wing to move on. do I have consensus on the right wing? Do I have public comment on this item? Mr. Dark.

[1:58:53] Yes, my name is Jim Turner. One of the things that needs to be remembered on this, this program is only going to be able to prevent repeat offenses. And as part of that, I think it would be in any ordinance or any program. I think it'd be useful to have some sort of a risk analysis there that actually looks at the individuals under supervision and determines these are the ones that are the most likely to need extra attention, because based on history, whatever factors, these are the ones that are most likely to re-offend. There's a lot of people that are in this category because it's a very broad category. Includes a lot of apprentices that probably don't make sense as far as that goes. And you're going to be much farther ahead if you can concentrate your resources where you really know they're going to be able to do the most good. There's a whole other issue that has to be dealt with, both here with policies and at the legislature, we're getting the right mix of loss. That we can't fix on a supervision program and there are a lot of people that are not repeat offenders, most are not repeat offenders. We do need to make sure that we're using our resources effectively and we need to have that risk analysis part of any program in order for it to really be worthwhile and effective. Thank you thank you I'm doing my phone please state your name you have three to five minutes is me Trevor we need your name

[2:00:54] thank you I was here about my understanding that probation they have a 3,000 feet rule from Child Safety Zones. Perot has a 500 feet of his own. I think that the parole follows the city's guidelines, so therefore the city has to set that guideline and then the parole follows it. It's not a state thing. The parole follows what the city has set for them. I believe that parolees, parolees should have the same this is a further than the probation. The one city block is approximately 500 feet, so it's two city blocks away from a child safety zone. I mean, it's not that much more different, not that much difference. We got to give our kids the best we can do. I mean, granted, a lot of ordinance ain't going to change the fact of whether or not a guy is going to repeat or not because he's got in his mind to do it. He's got his mind to do it, but I mean, us as citizens got to do something. I remember when I was a kid, I was able to run around freely and then have to worry about stuff like that. In this day and age, I mean, you worry about it losing your kid in the store, whether or not he's being, you know, got him in the restroom, doing whatever. We got to do something, you You know, why is probation 1,000? Pro-500? I think it's something got to be looked at. I think that the child safety zones, we got to clarify what is considered a child safety zone. You know, schools, parks, churches, bus stops, where kids are picked up and dropped off, stuff like that. And then once we clarify what kind of zones are in it,

[2:02:56] label it, you know, put a sign up. And we can deter the sex offenders coming to San Angelo. If we don't make it easy for them, they ain't gonna come. Why is it that they went from a couple hundred to over 300? It's a friend who can't move here to San Angelo unless he has a relative or a friend giving him a place to live. Just say, I'm gonna move to San Angelo. I'm gonna live in this house. It's not the way it happens. He's got to get permission to live there. And if somebody's got to give him permission to live there, and then Pearl comes in, and it's my first time doing this, I'm gonna hold it. You did well, Trevor. I've come all over the place. You did well. You made your point, sir. You know, 500 for Pearl and 1,000 for permission, these kind of backwards. I think it needs to be the equal or more. Labeling, a child safety zone would be a start. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Good job. comments. I do have one question for the chief. If I, in my house, if I had one child two, three, four, five kids living in my house and a sex offender moves next door, am I notified? What happened? How do I know? No by law, we post it on our website but you're not notified. There's no sign that goes out in front of his or her house. Now Now there's been judges that have made sex offenders put signs, but that's something that's done by the judge. It's ordered by the court. Because if I've got a house full of kids, that's no different than a daycare, or at school. You know, I've got kids living in my house, and then this person that moves next door,

[2:05:01] my gosh, I would hope somebody would have warned me. I got a notification in our church just a couple of weeks ago that said a sex offender had moved just a couple of blocks away. Was it from the state? Yes. Yes. notification just to tell us that there was one a registered sex offender that it moved to our area. So someone sends out some types. They said do you know what happens there? I know that you don't get notification for all sex offenders but there are certain classes of sex offenders where there is notification given to people who live in a community within a defined distance. I can't I think it's a couple of blocks three blocks maybe. Then all the folks around that neighborhood would get notification postcard in the mail that has a picture in the description of the Are those the ones that have to report every 90 days? I believe so, yes. They're the ones most likely to re-offend. They've re-offended already? I'll jump out there with personal experience, if necessary, to tell you how serious I feel about this. When I was five years old, I have an aunt who's two years older than I said, we were playing in our city park and there had been a man sitting in the car watching and he finally ask us to come over to the car. I didn't go. I stayed back, but my aunt, my mother's little sister, did walk over to the car. And to this day, and she's two years older than I, to this day, she is still mentally traumatized by the events that took place. It's how long does it take to get over something that happens when it's a sexual offense to a small child. She was seven years old, and my grandparents lived across the street from the park so back then it was safe you know to go but it's not anymore you've got to be right there with them and the lasting after effects of an event is is horrific what I wanted to close was one

[2:07:01] of the other things that we've done is that the PD is partnered with the school district in the rad kids program, and that is a program that teaches the young children at a very young age, number one, how to defend themselves, but also to say no, and what to do in those kind of cases, where it is, you know, when we grew up, we didn't have that kind of training, we just had stranger danger, you know, that kind of thing, but they're getting specific training on this. It's unfortunate that our society is at a point where we have to teach our kids in third and fourth grade about being sexually abused and how to prevent it, but that's we've got to do something and that's one of the steps that we're doing. But the RADCID program is nationwide, but we partnered with the S.A.I.D. to do that. keep working on the cheap all right we are now up to the closed session what time is it 11 0 3 we've got a few follow-up administrative items y'all want to take care of those and then break item number a under eight is consideration possible action on matters and executive will hold that one item b is consideration of approving approving various board nominations civil service Civil Service Commission, Raul Lopez, nomination for City Manager to a full-term ending January 2019. Number two is Parks and Recreation Advisory Board, Francis Jellinsparger. This is SMD-1 to a full full-term ending December 2017. Someone wants to give me a motion to approve. Okay, I'll take Marty's and Johnny's says the second. Do I have comment from Council? Do I have public comment? All in favor please say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed nay. Opposed 7-0 on that one Brian. C is discussion and possible action related to number one. We're scheduling the March 15th regular City Council meeting Daniel.

[2:09:03] I believe we're looking at spring break at that time. We are having of course our workshop on March the 8th, the priority setting workshop, the strategic planning workshop. This was just an item to discuss with City Council. If you'd like to either do away with the meeting or again that's really the option is is caught and hold the meeting or do away with it. I think we can do with one and March. Does anybody have a great? I second that one. Yes please. I believe we have consensus let's just have our first meeting and the second meeting in March we will mod hat. I went down one. Well, is that all right, Daniel? That's fine. You got direction. That was unanimous consensus. I was well, Marty and I are down to six. Number two, scheduling as a strategic planning session. You said that was March eight. Yes, sir. We just took one away and we're adding one. That's the again, as I mentioned while ago, the strategic planning on the eighth of March. And it is during the daytime blizz. I'm sorry, it's not in the evening. So we should make sure that if you're going at six the clock. I'll have to remove it to her whole setting and have it there. And they get a lot of comfortable with that. Yes. Okay, let's say more cheat than is are. All right. And that leads us to the closed session, which is exactly session under the revision of government code title five open government ethics subtitle a open government chapter five five one open meeting sub chapter D. Acceptance to requirement that meetings be open under the following Section A, Section 55-107-2, deliberate the purchase exchange lease or value of real property related to Number 1, lease of 36 West 2, known as the spur parking garage. Number 2, Joseph Finner, survey Number 1, abstract Number 49-85-B, Section 55-107-1-1-8, consult with Attorney with the Government of Body, seeks the advice of its Attorney about pending or competent related litigation regarding number one, the 213 seal coding program contract,

[2:11:07] number two, Marta for Hearst Field Energy Systems, LLCETAL, number three, Temple Construction Incorporated, the number four SAP Hospitality Incorporated, doing business as the night's end. I understand from Brian that we have one conference call or one person that we need to speak to and we will speak to them at 12 and it's probably going to be a 30-minute discussion so I will say that we should be back should we be able to be back in over 12 30 yes okay we're gonna shoot for 12 30 to reconvene and if we should run a little over then I will make an announcement at 12 30 1107 we are convened for executive session in there There was one thing, Section, follow-up, eight follow-up administrative, eight, consideration of and possible action on matters discussed in executive closed session if needed. We did have one thing that we need to discuss and take a vote on and that was for the garage. Need a motion to negotiate an in-air lease agreement with UNIDAD investments regarding 36 west to which is known as the spur parking garage would be number one that I read as far as the closed session Lisa 36 West to I do need to say that again what I said motion to negotiate and enter into a lease agreement with unit at investments regarding 36 West to a commonly known as the spur parking garage second we have a motion to approve I do have a second any discussion public comment all in favor please say aye aye opposed may put a six oh well and at one oh six oh we do have any announcements consideration of future agenda items they didn't want to have anything that we need to add on the right wing I just have the

[2:13:07] neighborhood chat on the eight to handle CIP and Daniel is even welcome to come if he's finished with his strategic planning meeting that day Lucy nothing I am working with the city manager and legal department on trash and trash bag issues and Shane and there may be something in the near future. Marty? Nothing. Rodney? Nothing. Nothing. Can we remind folks to answer the trash survey that the PIO has put out? Yes, there is a survey online we are asking for consideration and information from the public on the trash, possibly different changes in the trash, pick up, and we would appreciate it if you would take time to run the survey. I'm looking for a motion. I move with you. All in favor say aye. This meeting's over. We need to get up.

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