San Angelo City Council 3-21-17

[0:00:00] We've got quite a meeting schedule here today, but we welcome you to our council. It is 834 and it's time to get this started and I'm going to ask Israel florists if you would come forward and we will start this with a prayer. I will ask you to stand as your able. Mayor, before I pray, Mayor and council members, we just want to thank you for your service to our city. We are grateful and honored to have you leading us. Thank you. That is going to be for the Lord. Heavenly Father, we praise you. And we thank you first of all, and mostly, for the wonderful gift of your Son, Jesus Christ, because it is through his life and his death on the cross, and his victory over sin and death that we can come to you today. Father God, in today, we ask your blessings over our city. Father God, we thank you for this wonderful city and the leadership that we have. Father God, in over this meeting, I pray that you would be over the leadership, Father God, those who will be involved, Lord. Father God, I pray that you would give us the grace, the wisdom, Lord, the courage, and the love, Lord, to speak, Lord accordingly. Father God, I just pray that you would bless this city. Lord, show it with your blessings, not only as rain, Father God, but blessings from above in every way, shape, or form. Lord, we thank you, and we honor you, and in the precious name of Jesus we pray. Amen. Amen. And Joshua and Cara Teague, if y'all would please come forward. Morning. Right. These are a couple of our homeschoolers from Carlsbad and I met them last week and I was so impressed with them. I asked them to come up here and help us with our pledge this morning. So, y'all ready? Now, which one? Which one?

[0:02:00] Jocelyn? That one's who's here. Let's do the pledge for the late, and the Texas flag. Honor, the Texas flag, it's good to be. And then the business. Let's give a big thank you. We've got a couple of recognitions here that I'd like to do first. Let's start off with Tina Anderson and Julian Wagon. If y'all would come forward, it brings you directors with you. These two students at San Angelo Central won a state championship with their instruments. Tina was first chair and won with the Piccolo and Julian first chair trumpet and they made the Texas Music Educators Association All State Band. And this is a tough, tough accomplishment to make. So I wanted to bring these two kids forward and just show you just exactly what we're doing in San Angelo, Texas in the musical field. and I'm very, very proud of you. Directors, you got some words? Hi, Mike Mary, one of the assistants at Central, just to kind of put it into perspective, really the music programs in Texas, really is the flagship of the nation. And so when this audition process starts, the thousands of kids that are there,

[0:04:00] for them to achieve that, that means that not only that these kids, the top in the state, but really they're some of the finest musicians that are here in the nation. So we're extremely proud of them, and their accomplishments, and again, just a testament, not any magic that we did, but just a great, great couple of kids, and a good way to represent St. Angelou. What do you want to start, thanks for the round? One other thing about the central band is they're going to Washington, DC on Memorial Day this year to represent us in the Memorial Day Parade in Washington, DC. again. That is a tremendous accomplishment for a band from San Angelo, Texas to represent us and I'm proud of you for that. I have one other recognition I would like to make this morning and that the girls from the Great Creek Girls basketball team would please come forward. Not only that good basketball players, they all feel pretty too. These girls did not win state. They're not here because they won state. These girls are here today because they had a tremendous season and they made the playoffs this year and this is the

[0:06:03] first time I understand that this has ever happened with Great Creek. So I think it's a tremendous a tremendous accomplishment that they had made and it's just starting off for things that's going to get better and better and better. I'm proud of each and every one of you and I just wanted you to come forward and be recognized and let the people see what just what kind of kids were raising in the Consul Valley. So I thank you so much I'm very proud of you. These girls right here, I came into Great Creek two years ago and basically told them they had to unlearn everything they thought they knew. I told them that they had to get on the crazy ship because we had work to do. This season we won more games than we did in the previous two years combined. These girls represented Great Creek in a playoff game for the first time in school's history and we did it without any new move-ins, without any new talent, without anything big changing except for showing up every day over and over and over through the frustration and the aggravation and the joy and the sadness and the losses and just doing it the old-fashioned way and working hard and to be their coach is one of the proudest things that I have ever got to be a part of in my life and I am so very proud of them and thank you all for letting them have this moment. I appreciate it. And now we have Mr. Manny Campos. About two

[0:08:35] months ago I started bringing musical talent in here because I wanted to highlight the musical talent that we have and homegrown here in San Angelo, Texas. And we've got a tremendous amount of musicians in this city and they are some of the best in the world. One of the reasons I wanted these kids here from central today is to show what the way we do this. We bring them up young and then they end up not so young. Wow, thanks. But man, he's got about 10 minutes. That's about three songs. Take it over. You got it, buddy. I have to tell you that we're having some sound problems. I was told that I was too powerful for the sound system. So the keyboard is going to be kind of obsolete, but the good Lord gave me a voice. So I'm going to sing anyway, right? gospel spiritual song for you wait in the water wait in the water children I wait in the water because God's gonna trouble the water see that man oh dressed in God's gonna trouble the water, he looks alike and he's relied, God's gonna trouble the water, bathe in the water, bathe in the water, children now wait, in the water, God's gonna trouble the water, see that man all dressed in red, God's gonna trouble the water. Looks like the man did Moses lead, God's gonna trouble the water, wait in the water,

[0:10:35] wait in the water, children now wait in the water is God's gonna trouble the water I said God's gonna trouble the water just that St. Patty's Day I'm gonna do a song by a famous famous Irishman Mr. Van Morrison we were born before the wind all so younger and the sun yeah the bonnie boat was won as we sailed into the misted hark now here the sailors cry smell the sea see the sky let your small and spirit fly as we sailed into the misted When that fog on blow, no I'll be coming home When that fog on whistle blows, I wanna hear it Don't have to fear it, and I'll rock your gypsy soul Just like way back in the days of old

[0:12:38] magnificently we will roll into the misting I said I'm gonna rock your gypsy soul just like way back in the days of old well together we will roll into the misting thank you when life hands you lemons you make lemonade don't you Do one more song for you, and then run out the back door. We'll get ready. There's a train of common. You don't need no baggage. You just get on board. Faith is the key. Open up the doors and board them. There's hope for all among those in love the most. So people get ready. There's a train at common, it's picking up passengers from coast to coast. Faith is the key, open up the doors and boredom. There's hope for all among those in love the most. There ain't no rule, or the hopeless sinner who have hurt all mankind, just to save his own. Have pity on those whose chances go thin up, there ain't no heart in place amongst the kingdom strong.

[0:14:48] So people get ready, there's a train of common, it's picking up passengers from coast to coast, pity on those whose chances grow thinner, there ain't no heart in place from the kingdom's throne. So, so very much for coming up singing with us today and I apologize from the bottom of my heart for the for the sound problems that we had, Brian and I fix that, aren't we, Brian? It's some part of our sound system, it's a computer override, Brian says when the music gets too loud, it shuts anyhow, you got a beautiful voice, oh boy, that's what we wanted to here. Thank you so much, Danny. I'm going to picture you. I got some more musicians lined up. I'll be through May the 15th. That'll be my last meeting. I got musicians coming every time between now and May 15. So we got them. I've got one more recognition this morning. Dave, come forward, please. This is a proclamation this morning. Good morning, Dave. The Texas SBDC Network has provided small business assistance starting and growing the small businesses in Texas. Our 2016 record year for Texas SBDC shows that clients created 14,692 jobs accessing capital

[0:16:54] of $576 million with new sales of $1.3 billion, including a revenue generation, the Texas economy of a total of $152 million. SBCD Day is a national collective proclamation of the success and impact that America's small business development centers, SBDC, America's small business development centers, have across the nation in economic development in the small business community. The Angelo State University SBDC continues to demonstrate the hard work and commitment that has helped Texas become the nationwide leader in job creation and small business growth. Now, therefore, I, Dwayne Morrison, the mayor of the city of St. Angelo on behalf of the city council, do hereby proclaim March 22 of 217 as Texas Small Business Development Center's days and to accept the proclamation, Mr. Dave Erickson. Thank you. Well thank you mayor and thank you council and I want to thank you on behalf of the many small businesses that we serve the hundreds that we serve every year and I'm sure some are in this room as well and also on behalf of the hard-working staff back at the office and in the businesses and Desiree had to leave for a client meeting just a few minutes ago. We appreciate your support, the work that we do, all of you, and we look forward to many more years. We're in our 27th year and we look for many more years of serving small businesses. Thank you. We have now come to the part of our meeting where we allow for public comment.

[0:19:00] Items or issues that are not on the agenda may be raised by the public at this time. Citizens should speak from the podium, begin by stating their name and limit the remarks to three minutes or less. Council members may request that a discussed item be placed on a future agenda. The Council takes public comment on all regular agenda items during discussion of those items. If you have something that is not on the agenda that you would like to discuss with us or talk to us about ProRCon. We are here to listen. Come forward. It needs you to state your name. You've got three minutes. I'm Chris Churro. I'd like to respectfully request that the council move the item G on regular agenda up closer to the front of today's meeting. There are many people that are here that are wishing to speak on this item. Thank you. Thank you. I have for the public comment. Good morning. I'm Brenda Gunter, and I'm here to invite the public to an event that will be held on April 20th in support of Operation Blue Shield. Downtown San Angelo will be sponsoring the event as part of our downtown stroll, and we are inviting all first responders, the public, churches, everyone to attend the event. It will be held at the corner of Concho Avenue and South Oaks. We hope to see this city covered in these Operation Blue Shield colors. The blue stands for all of the first responders. The yellow stands for the community. We will have these ribbons for sale. We will have lapel pins. We will have hat pins. We really want all of our first responders to feel the support that we as a community have for their efforts, their time, their families, and all the energies and the risk that they have every day when they go out and support us in the community.

[0:21:01] So that's April the 20th at 6 p.m. at the corner of Concho Avenue and Tiwi. I mean, sorry, Concho Avenue and South Oaks. And we hope that we can see just like we did when Corby Kennedy passed the blue ribbons all over town. We want to see this blue and gold all over town. the bridges, the light poles, everywhere we can put them. LaPalle's, dresses, et cetera. Thank you, Brenda. Do I have further public comment? Mary Council, my name is Tony Villarreal, and I wanna thank you, Mayor, for advocating this past weekend on the health advantages of walking physical activities. You imagine somebody's 40 pounds over weight, lady boy. You did it on a long sleeve and boots as well, so that's very impressive. But I was doing my own, sorry I couldn't join you. I was doing my own tracking across San Angelo. For the past two months, I've been going door to door talking to people. And I'm here to let you all know that you have 100% support in what you all have been doing in the past, this present council and the past council in supporting our men and women in blue. I want you to know that also that the approval for the continued support of our men and women in blue is very much appreciated. I know you all have difficult challenges with our budget, but let me leave you all with a prayer that was given to me this past weekend. Our prayer for all of you on this council in the position of most honored and trust and responsibility We pray, Lord Jesus, you'll grace them with your Holy Spirit to maintain your moral courage and compromise without sacrificing your principles, values,

[0:23:02] and trust placed in you. Jesus, please guide them with your loving hand as they continue to find resolutions in keeping our men and women in blue to protect them and their families. Help them, Lord, to serve you above all others with the guidance. I mean, we prosper as a community as we grow together. Thank y'all and God bless. Thank you, God bless. Mayor Council, my name is Steve Hampton. I'd like to revisit with you about the agenda. I feel that on the consent agenda, there are still continue to place spending items that need to be discussed, that derivative element in this council has been diminished. And I think the spenders are coming out to get the city in deep water, and so I consider deep water. We have one item that's been asked to be brought out of this consent agenda, which I would like to hear about also, and also the number G about the roads. if we're so bad that we need to bring out bonds and obligations, we might need to think about postponing some of these items. Thank you. I have further public comment at this time. Good morning. Good morning. I apologize for being way underdressed. I had a last minute opportunity to come. My name is Christina DeLeo. I've been here before, in fact, last school year. I was here and presented big concerns

[0:25:04] about the safety of the children crossing Southwest in order to go to school at Lamar Elementary. The problem has only gotten worse because we have more and more children moving into the growing neighborhoods off the West End of Twin Mountain. And I'm hearing constant almost accidents with children and traffic. Even the crosswalk that goes across Schoolhouse Road has a traffic control, somebody out in the stop sign, and I've heard that people are ignoring the person in the middle of the road and trying to get through. It's just very unsafe. And I don't know why it's taking so long to address it. I was told last year when I came that a survey would be done. And here it is, another year, and the children are being put at risk every day that they have to cross the busy street. And I would ask for more presence for law enforcement as well as across South West Boulevard. Thank you, ma'am. Good morning. My name is Michelle Martin. I just, I think I need a little more explanation on the subject of the raises. And we'll talk about that when we get, the only thing public comment is for things that are not on the agenda. Okay. If we get to that, we will take public comment. Everyone will be in the state. Thank you, ma'am. I have further comment from those of you who would like to approach the council this time. This is your opportunity. We listen to good and bad pro and con. This is your opportunity. If there is no further comment,

[0:27:04] then I will close this portion of the agenda out. I will now go to the council members. If there is anything on the consent agenda that you would like to pull forward to the regular agenda, please do so. If there are any comments or any statements that you would like to make, this is the opportunity, and I'll start with you, Mrs. Farmer. First of all, I want to thank everyone for attending today and showing your interest and your concerns. It's glad to have such a good crowd here today to talk to. And Mr. Mayor, I would like to pull on the consent agenda B and item G B is in boy and is in boy G is in girl. Okay Anything else ma'am? No, sir. What you got Lane? I'd also like to thank everybody for coming and I'd like to pull item F for a citizen for further explanation F on the consent consent. Yes That's it Thanks, everyone for coming also and we're in very good meeting and having nothing to pull. Harry, do you have any thanks? I do not have anything to pull, but I'd like to make a comment about something that I voted on at the last council meeting. Further explanation to the citizens. I voted to keep a tower in my district when there were people coming to the microphone that did not want to do that. And my explanation is this, there are 400 or 500 other families that live in that area. There's a school, there's multiple churches. One of my granddaughters actually goes to that particular school, and I'll have a second granddaughter that goes there in the fall. I wanna make sure that the teachers and the administrators have every means of communication, in case there's an emergency there. So I'm gonna support a cell tower, some words in that neighborhood, again, if it's you ever should come to the council.

[0:29:05] I want people to understand that I appreciate them having the opportunity to come and speak their mind, But in the same token, I've got four or 500 other families in that area that I also have to look out for. And not everyone has a landline anymore. And I have nothing to pull, and I welcome you to the meeting as well. This is grassroots democracy, and I'm glad people are showing an interest in our city government. I would ask for a motion to approve the consent agenda items A, C, D, E, and H. This is a leading B, F, and G for further discussion. Move to approve. Have a motion. Do I have a second? Second. Second from Lucy. Do I have any other council questions about the consent agenda? Do I have questions from the public about the consent agenda items that are just listed? If not, I will call for the vote. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. All opposed, please say nay. I'm pulling it with respect to the constituent in the audience who wanted more explanation on it plus it is in my district and I would like to know exactly where it is and what we're going to use it for. Ms. Farmer, I'll direct your question to Russell Pail, he's the engineer and it's actually for their division. Okay. Yes, this section of property that is within the Red Arroyo and we're securing an easement for our drainage purposes through there and for the upcoming Southwest Boulevard improvement project, doing and reconstructing the street. there's also you know what we'll be doing with that project is making the drainage culverts underneath

[0:31:10] their larger and we just want to make sure that you know we're able to maintain the drainage way through there and just more efficiently flow the water through there. I knew this and I know that we had talked about it back when we had talked about the streets and the city that were of been worst need of repair but a lot of times even council forgets when something comes up and it's not specified a little more detail and certainly we can understand why the citizens would want to know exactly what it is and what's going on so I thank you for the explanation and Mr. Mayor if any of the audience has a question about it I'll wait and move for approval at that time public comment on this item move to to approve as presented. Thank you. Thank you from Lane. Any other questions, Council? I want to call for public comment. So I will call for the vote. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, nay. Drop a 5-0 on that one. Please, Mr. Brian. Item F is considered purchasing 35-electric electronic ticket riders for the San Angelo Police Department. In the amount of $89,852 from Tyler Technologies Incorporated, a budgeted item for FY 2017 utilizing National Joint Powers Alliance contract. Bucky, what's your question lanes? I just had a citizen that wanted some more information about that and also for my personal information just to see how it's going to help our officers out on the process. Got a question for you Mr. Hasty. My name is Bucky Hasty. I'm the IT manager for the City of San Angelo. I have on there an item for $89,000 to purchase 35 ticket riders in addition, 20 printers as well. These are the mobile

[0:33:12] ticketing devices that the officers use in the field. Right now they are down to I think six, Chief Howard could answer that better for me but they are down to six in the field right now. Over the past couple years the ones we have just been degrading to a point of not being in use and like I said we're down to six right now and they would like to purchase 35 more to get them run and they have 20 printers existing already that's one they're not asking for 35 printers we have 20 working printers this is going to get us an additional 35 ticket riders and 20 printers this will help out and speed them along and get them to the next call definitely yeah no more manual tickets and everything's gonna be integrated with the system yes sir move to approve you have a motion to approve I Do I have a second? Do I have further questions from Council? Public comment on this item. Good morning. Good morning, in case you didn't recognize me, I am Tim Bosque as a retired city employee. When I saw the item on the agenda and the consent agenda, my concern was, are we being a little presumptuous in regards to the item further on, in regards to spillment technologies and the software by approving this? Because I know a long-term goal when the software was adopted was to have the driver's license readers inputted in the car, as well as the printers in order to save money. I've been out of the loop for nine months, so I can't tell you if the current ticket riders are working with the system, but I know the software system was an issue when I retired in regards to integrating with the ticket riders, and so we're approving ticket riders, do we know that they just still work with the system regardless who we're with, or if they're not working with Spillman now, then it's kind of presumptuous to vote on approving this when we haven't had the discussion on Spillman later on in the agenda.

[0:35:12] Thank you. Good question, Chief, thank you. The ticket riders that we are purchasing actually have their own interface. It's called an in-code interface, and it works with both Spillman and with any other vendor that we might choose to go to later in the meeting. Oh, they will work regardless of the system we put in place. Yes, sir. Any other questions? Public comment? Motion has been made that we accept this as it is presented. We've had public comment. I will call for the vote. All in favor please say aye. Aye. Opposed nay. Item G is consider awarding REP number ES0517. It's a rebate. Southland Boulevard roadway improvements phase 1 project to re-sabered and cooperated. In the amount of $675,031.24, in authorizing the city manager a designee to execute any related documents. Ms. Farmer, what are your questions, ma'am? I pull the item out of respect for constituent request. I want to remind everyone that rebid and budgeted, we have been over it, we have discuss this. It seems like it takes forever to come to pass before things get to council. So sometimes information is forgotten out there. So Mr. Kalebiel just update us briefly. Yes, this is just part of our reconstruction efforts and also in conjunction with the project on Sherwood Way that Techstad is doing. This project on Southland Boulevard will be connecting to that and we'll just be widening the street a little bit so that that way traffic movements through there We'll be able to be more efficient and less likely to have accidents and things of that nature And to since Reese Albert is out there already, you know, they were the only Contractor to bid on this actual project and it's you know, just a bit it I mean a a budgeted item and we did have two town hall meetings that included this

[0:37:16] intersection and what this was going to be doing so this is the city's portion of the responsibility whereas the state is doing the road out there correct correct move to approve is presented if there's not any questions from the public I'll second you have a motion and a second do I have questions council public comment questions from the public on this item. Yes, I understand that it's been in the works for some Steve Hampton. I understand that it's been in the works for some time but considering that it's only a one block area and that we're really pinched for money and I think the flow through there is adequate and I don't think the flow is going to change at all on that side of the road and that And the street seems to be in fairly decent condition and with the price tag of 675,000, I think this money could be rerouted to a better Usage I am for fixing up the streets. I understand that Bell it really needs it and I would say Southwest would need it more than than this area here, but I I do think that if we're if we're tight for money and we're willing to go out for bonds and its certificates of obligation then we need to Consider about cutting back on our our spending Thank you, sir. Do I have further public comment on this item? You happy with the short it just wanted to add with the commercial growth that we know that is coming the increase in the traffic That will be at that intersection and the growth that we have have in the residential section out there, the increased traffic, the extra two lanes is needed

[0:39:18] now and will be needed shortly for safety. So I'm ready to approve. I guess I just asked this question. Was this part of our plan reconstruction that we started two or three years ago with all of the roads? That's correct. included in that in that plan originally. You know, part of what TechSOT is doing on FM-2288, which is on the north side of Sherwood Way, and Southland being on the south side of Sherwood Way, is that they'll be widening that portion of FM-2288, and we wanna make sure that we're in alignment with that, you know, otherwise we are gonna be creating some traffic congestion issues if we do not do this widening project. Any other words of wisdom share with the trussle? All I got for you. Yes, I may have stayed. Yes, sir. Thank you for your patience. Steve Hampton again. We have the Geodeti. I think that's the name of it. Machine that we bought that's happened since we originated these plans. I think that some of this could be done by it. This was a consideration. If we wanted to, we don't need to, I don't quite understand why we need a traffic light over there, I know there was some talk about phasing out and putting in new, but if we are indeed in a financial situation, I think this is a point. This particular spot could be over, could be skipped over in hopes of saving considering, so thank you. Thank you, sir. We do have a motion on the floor that we approve this as presented. I do have a second. We have asked for counsel input.

[0:41:18] Russell has explained it. I will ask one more time for public comment. If there is, yes, Mayor, I do want to add you spoke about the Benedictine machine. That's actually a recycler. It's not going to do the type of work that he's talking about. This will be new construction. This will be completely new. underground drainage is the correct most expensive. I will call for the vote on this. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed nay. Put a 5-0 on that one. OK, Council, let me ask you a few questions here about our regular agenda. I know that the first thing on it is the Chamber of Commerce Economic Development. And our guys are here, and they're working on the chamber lunch and next door. They've got things they need to do. If Council will allow this, I'd like to go ahead and get this done. Item B shouldn't take but just a minute. Item C should not take long. It's just an update on sales on tax revenue. Item D, I think, goes along with all the things we're dealing with today because it talks about the software that we need for our police department. Item E and item F, I think, could be pushed back in the interest of time. And then we could go to item G, which is what most everyone is here for this morning. So if council will allow me, I would like to go ahead and take the regular agenda in order, A, B, C, D, E, I would like to push E and F and then go to G. Is that all right, boss? I have any problems with council? Yup, Charlie, Lane, Lucy, Harry. Then let's go ahead and push those two. So in the interest of time and y'all are having to stand up, we're trying to get you in and out. Item A on the regular agenda is a presentation of report from the Chamber of Commerce, Economic Development Council, and the Convention to Visitors Bureau, C-V-B, presentation by C-V-B, Director in Sales and Servicing, Susanna Aguirre, and the Chamber Vice President for Economic Development, Michael Looney. And I know that you're going to be concise

[0:43:19] and precise in your presentation. Absolutely. I knew it. Absolutely. You have the floor, sir. Thank you very much. Good morning, Council. Michael Looney, VP of Economic Development the San Angelo Chamber of Commerce, and I want to thank you for the opportunity to present the Chamber of Commerce Economic Development Department's quarterly report. Our main objectives are job growth, wage growth, new business formation, corporate attraction, and existing business expansion. We do this in partnership with our main partner, the City of San Angelo Development Corporation. We target specific industries that would benefit from San Angelo's workforce proximity to market available facilities. In 2016, we were successful in recruiting three new businesses to San Angelo. We're an estimated economic impact of $21,500,000. We attended four out-of-town trade shows, made a call trip to Illinois to visit prospective manufacturing companies and to call on leads. We hosted six prospective companies that have visited San Angelo, touring in multiple industrial facilities, including the San Angelo Business and Industrial Park. 2017 has been off to a good start. The chamber is presently working with seven prospects. Two of these companies have committed to expand here already and will announce in a few months as their operations move to full capacity. So far this year we have hosted three out-of-state companies. We target seven specific industrial sectors and we currently have a prospect in each category engaged in discussions. 2017 community profile has been released and is ready for distribution. You're giving it out to prospective businesses

[0:45:22] and you each have a copy in front of you. On the San Angelo market update slides, you will see sections of our monthly business barometer, one of which is included in your community profile. Of the prospects we are working with, three of them are related to oil field services sector. This concurs with the fact that in March of 2016, there were 215 active rigs in Texas. As of March 2017, there are 392 active in Texas. 78% of these are in the Permian Basin. So the Permian Basin now accounts for 51% of all U.S. rigs. We expect to see an increase in employee hiring in St. Angelo within that industry. 2017 was concise and brief and precise. Thank you. Thank you, Michael. Uh, Captain, do you have any questions for Michael on this? It's coming back, isn't it? Thank you. It's coming back. The economy is coming back. It is. We're getting really strong signs and it's really encouraging just just in 2017 alone, um, the companies that we've toured through town and we're currently engaged with. It's very encouraging and not all oil field sector related companies. Let me be clear on that. Just three of the seven. Bring a man and don't let him have much water. Thank you very much. Thank you so thank you Michael. Good report. Ms. Zana. Good morning. Morning City Council. Zana Gary, Director of Sales and Servicing with the Convention and Visitors Bureau. And I'm here to present the fourth quarter. In the fourth quarter

[0:47:24] we assisted with 20 conventions, meetings, sporting events. Do you want to slide, first timer here, or motor coach tours. Projected out of town attendance was 11,679. Projected room nights was 1,741 with the average length of day, stayed three days. The total economic impact was $3,773,070. In the fourth quarter, I've attached in your background the media assists we received. I would like to highlight the story printed in the Dallas Morning News that featured a full page ad in the Sunday edition that was valued at over $50,000. This is advertising we could not have afforded to purchase, but was a result of a host travel media group that we hosted last year. We attended the Albuquerque Baloon Fiesta, and that was part of our market leisure travel here. And then we attended Meeting Plan or International Texas Education Conference, Connect Texas, and that was part of our market association business. advertising campaign was very successful. We had 26,153 requests from advertising through the fourth quarter. We advertised in Texas travel guide, travel host, Texas highways, authentic Texas, Texas calendar events, and Texas monthly. The year-to-day occupancy was negative 4.2% and that was at 46.4%. The year-to-day demand was up 8.5% and the hotel demand has consistently been up since March of 2015. The year to date average daily rate was negative 20.3 with the rooms at 68 dollars and 73 cents. So the bad news is the average daily rate is down but the good news is occupancy is up. In the fourth quarter we

[0:49:24] hosted in-plane air and during that event 375 paintings were created in and around San Angelo and we're excited to say that they'll be back this year. We hosted send city tours, green line tours and special thanks to the mayor for coming out and saying a welcome to them. We also hosted this N'Angelo roofing fiesta, the Concho Christmas celebration Christmas lights, which was 22 years of lights on the river. We had visitors from 236 other cities, 18 other states, and the top cities were Eldorado, Abilene Ballinger, Midland and Sonora, with a total hotel room nights of 357, camping nights at 51, and people that stayed with family and friends, 1153. Our top Texas cities in the visitor center were Houston, which that's pretty consistent. And then our top state was California, top international was the United Kingdom. Our visitor center registered guests up 5% over 2015, and we had visitors from every state, 41 other countries, 467 other Texas cities. We grew our motor coach tour room nights, 64% over 2015. When our advertising grew 10% over 2015, ending the year with 32,500 requests. We were selected by Convention South Media Group for the 2006 Teen Readers' Choice Award, and that was selected by meeting planners for exhibiting excellence, creativity, and professionalism in the meetings and convention industry. And we were also awarded the City of the Month by the Texas Hotel Lodging Association. Thank you for your time, and if you have any questions, I'll take them now. Thank you, Susanna. Do questions, counsel? You bring those videos to me and that's where the money's at. Yes, absolutely. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you, Susanna. Do I have any public comment on either Susanna or Michael's presentation? Is there any questions for the public on this? You, Hampton, I'm curious about why Maryland and why United Kingdom?

[0:51:29] What brought them from those locations? I can't imagine anyone not wanting to come to financial protection. I bet you get. Your National Lily Garden draws a lot of people from the United Kingdom. Yes it does. And we're simply the sweetest spot in all of God's vast creation. I understand why they come here. All right. Thank you all very much. We appreciate the report. Out of number B on the regular agenda is the second public hearing regarding the voluntary annexation of 17.192 acres. Denver located south of US Highway 67 and west of Southland Boulevard at the end of Willoughby Drive and Pinyon Ridge Drive. Brother James you have the floor sir. Thank you. John James, Director of Planning and Development Services. You've seen this before. Again today's item is not an action item. It's simply a public hearing complying with state law. This is a voluntary annexation of a little over 17 acres located south of 67 in Southland Boulevard as you mentioned. It is plan for future single-family homes. Basically, you see the neighborhood here. It would just be an expansion of that neighborhood continued on survey of the area. Again, voluntary annexation, no action needed, just a public hearing. Be happy to answer any questions. This is the opportunity for the public. If there is anyone here that wishes to speak to this annexation, whether for or against this is your opportunity, the microphone is yours. come to the front. That will conclude our public hearing as we're required by state law on an annexation. And I think next we get into the annexation. This is the last of the public hearings. Okay, this has been done. It is concluded. I'm calling this part of the agenda to a close. Next, we'll have a sales tax revenue performance. Tina Dersky, you have the floor, man. Now, Council, Is there any questions on that?

[0:53:30] Okay, Tina, you're on. Thank you, Mayor. Tina Dierzky, Director of Finance. I have for you just a brief update on our sales tax revenue performance. We were down again in March, 4.4% over the same month last year. That marks 24 months of a downward trend in our sales tax revenues. We're currently under budget from our original budget for revenue by $488,000. And the city has so far implemented a hiring for non-essential personnel, subject to city manager approval, a decrease per diem rights, and decrease mileage rights to help offset that deficit. And I'll take any questions. Council, Harry, do you have any time to say? How do you feel, Tina, about our economy? I feel like we're seeing some positive signs. I feel like we're seeing some positive signs on the spot. Thank you. Well, I do look at some of our surrounding cities, such as Midland, Odessa, Aveline, Wichita Falls. this month was the first month that they were all up while we were still down so I'm hopeful that we may see a turnaround in the near future. I do want to add that as far as the surrounding cities I mean Odessa had double digits the 20s percent increases. Middle and close to double digits at close to 10 as well. Big Lake has seen some pretty good numbers as well. So the surrounding area is seen we are seeing pretty good improvements so we're hoping to see that trickle of non-directionary pretty soon. So even though we do see a 4.4% drop, we're hopeful again that those numbers will go up. But again, all we have to base decision-long really is what the market had been doing as far as where it had been trending. That's been downward at this point. We don't suspect it will continue going this direction, but if it did, we'd be at about a million dollars short of our sales tax projections by the end of this year. But again, Ms. Farm, that's a really good question. There's really some good signs around us. again we're very hopeful that we'll see some of that come our direction. How many months have we been going down, Tina?

[0:55:30] We've seen the smart 24 months of a downward trend. 24 months of down trend. Harry, based on what you've seen with other cities and what you what you see from present businesses, do you have really any prediction about where we're going to end up with fiscal year? I mean I know what Daniel said that if we stay on this downtrend will be a million dollars short, but I don't see that happening. Do we have anything that says we're going to be half million, 250,000, anything that's close? I mean, I know that you're, you certainly are not predictor of the future, but in the same token, maybe we've got some positive signs out there we can. Nothing strong enough to make an accurate prediction yet. And so I think our best option is to go with the conservative approach and assume that we will see the same trends last year, just to be safe. Want citizens to understand that, that's all I want to ask the question. Lane. What we heard from Mr. Looney and Mr. Gary, I'm seeming that it's going to be a little bit hopeful that we're going up. My other question is, we're 24 months on a downward trend from a peak. year would that coincide with on the other side of the bell curve? 2012, 13, 14. You mean as far as our last words? What about what year in the past are we about the same economy-wise on top on the other side of the bell curve? 2014. Our 2014. Yes. That would be like we were in the situation before back in 2014. We're We're actually seeing some lower numbers than in 2014 in some of the months, so 2013-2014 is where we started to see that. Again. Do I have questions from the public on this item before we move on?

[0:57:30] Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. Let's go to item number D, which is to consider a resolution approving an emergency purchase without CAD, RMS, software from hexagon safety and infrastructure pursuant to local Texas local government code 25202282 and associated project cost and authorizing the city manager to execute related documents. Lucky. You have the floor, sir. Good morning again, council. My name is Bucky Hasty. I'm the IT manager for the city of San Angelo. In 2015, the city agreed to purchase a new CAT RMS system from Spelman Technologies. And what this cat RMS system does, a cat system is what lets the dispatchers at 911 talk to the first responders such as firefighters and police officers tells them where they're needed to go and when they're needed to go. Another part of a cat RMS system is the RMS side and that's the records management side. This is where all the police reports are stored and how they pull all their crime data. The vendor came in, they installed it, and converted all of our data, and we were up and running. So the system went live in June of 2016, and it immediately displayed problems for us. The PD requested assistance from me to address some of these issues. They actually went to the city management, and I was brought in to do some tech support with them to get another set of ITIs on it and it is my consensus and PD's consensus and fire is consistent that this system will not meet our needs, it is not meeting our needs and we don't see a way out staying with this vendor. It has many problems that I won't get into today but there's a lot of people in this room

[0:59:32] that can probably speak on those problems if they'd like to. We believe this puts first responders at risk as well as the public safety at risk, and we'd like to ask the council to support our resolution. There's some steps needed and money needed to accomplish this, of course. The first thing we've got to do is get back with our old vendor, and I'd like to talk about our old vendor for just a second. They're called hexagon. We always call them intergraph, that's what every most officer knows the mass, but they're now known as hexagon, so that's what I'm going to call them now. We have a 15-year previous working relationship with them. They have extensive knowledge of our public safety needs. They know our system inside and out there, the ones that installed it some 15, over 15 years ago. There are several employees at hexagon still working there that are going to be working on a new system hopefully that installed the original system over 15 years ago. There's a couple steps we've got to do with hexagon to get things running. The first thing we've got to do is get maintenance reinstated. That's a two-part process that I'll explain a little bit more later. Then the next thing that I'd like to make sure I'll understand is we have to get, we left that system as it was when we moved over to Spillman. It's been sitting there and it's been accessed. But still running is just not live on our system. So we need to upgrade that to the most current version that is supported by Hexagon of that product. They don't sell that product anymore. They have a new latest and greatest product they sell called WebRMS. So we need to upgrade our old one to the latest version of the old product. The reason we're doing that is we ask them for the quickest way to get us up and running back on a functional CADRMS system, and this was their solution, and this, we believe, is

[1:01:33] the best way to get us up and running, and that process is going to probably take anywhere from six to eight months, and we'll be up and running back on hexagon. After that, we feel it necessary, and actually so does hexagon that we need to kind of sit back and catch our breath for a little bit, and learn to trust a CADRMS system again, get our first responders, able to trust the data in their car, get administrative staff, able to run reports, and pull crime data. Right now, there's most of that stuff they cannot do and have not been able to do since we went live. After that, we would like to propose upgrading to Hexagon's latest project, which is called WebRMS. That's gonna be what's known as the latest and greatest that they have to offer. Now, the money needed for this. There is back maintenance due. This is all money that's going to be needed through debt issue. They're also, when I talked about updating to the current software that's supported by them of our old product, that's another cost of $668,000. Once we catch our breath period, and we're over with that, we're going to upgrade to the new WebRMS, that's $900,000. What I made sure and do, all these require new servers to run on. I made sure that our server setup is going to support the first step and it's going to support the second step with the new WebRMS system so we don't have to re-buy servers. And these servers have a seven-year maintenance on them. I anticipate them lasting anywhere from eight to ten years, usually lifespan of those servers. Other expenses that we're going to need data issue for is facility improvements at the com, we call it the Com Center Public Safety Communications. We've expanded so much in that back computer room that the AC unit is struggling. We struggle to keep it below 80 degrees in their most days on hot summer days and even on cold days we're fighting the heater.

[1:03:33] It's kind of a strange situation but the AC needs some improvements. The generator and ATS which is the automatic transfer switch and the UPS for the building which keeps power running during a power outage is in desperate need of repair. We've actually stopped, I say we, the manager of public safety communications has stopped doing monthly tests because the last two times he's tried it, the UPS has failed or the generators failed or the ATS, the transfer switch and we've lost power to that building twice this year. And that was not a good situation to get out of and any computer system we get is going to need electricity. So that's the reason that's in there and besides the generator, the electrical system of the building needs improvements as well. There's many, many overloaded circuits in that building that we'd like to get repaired and we need somebody to come in and evaluate the situation and get that run in for us. There is a contingency cost in there of $62,000 and there is cost for issuing debt is included there as well as $70,000. Totals. Totals for this, just further what we needed from debt issues for are $2.23 million. There is also to get maintenance running back to get it current to the maintenance that we're going to run on during that year period while we're catching our breath. Well, they already have that budget in fiscal year 2017. That's for $145,000. That is not included in the debt issue. So total project cost is $2.375 million. Any questions? I have a couple of questions. First ones, you guys and girls standing around the wall. Do we need to go to this? we did. That's the answer I thought I was going to get. We know we know it costs money. We do not make this. I mean, we know it's a lot of money. We do not come to this conclusion lightly. I've spent many I've spent since October over there

[1:05:34] working with those guys trying to get this system to work, trying to see if there was a light that we could look forward to. But it's it's just not working for us. It's not meeting our needs and we don't see it ever meeting our needs. The race of what recourse do we have with the Spillman, if any. We'll talk about that a little more in executive session. However, we are evaluating any legal options we have regarding that contract with every relationship like that. There are remedies and we are looking at those right now. I have any questions, Sean? Okay. How much money do you need today? Today, I need the $2.23 million. She's next. You happen to have $2.375 million in your hip pocket? We can issue debt for that amount within our existing capacity that does still keep the $5 million that cancel your earmarks for a possible police station project in the capacity as well. Vincent and I will be up here a little later to talk to you about that debt issue. When you say capacity, Tina, we're talking about the same tax rate. It will not increase the tax rate. there that's what those next two items were yes they have to do with that yes real quick and I know this billman project did not fulfill our needs I think they over over told us what they would do and then did underperformed but the bottom line is is that we're talking about a lot of money and I guess my My question is, I didn't see anything on an RFP process and a background information. So I'd like to know why we went back to this particular company and not one out for other bids like New World or some other ones.

[1:07:34] There's a couple reasons for that. I would say the main reason is emergency. We need to get up and running as soon as possible. We do not have time for, as far as first responder safety, there's been some issues with first responder safety out there in the field, there's been some issues with public safety out there in the field. That's the need we're trying to address first. Secondly, it's the consensus of the group that's been tasked to tackle this problem. That's what we're recommending. They know us better than anybody. One of the major issues that we ran into was we had 16 years worth of police data that we tried to transfer over to the Spelman system, and that's been one of the main problems with the issue. Well, that's intergraph hexagon data. That's their data, they, that's their data inside and out. And we know that they can get it up and go on. I asked, I asked, I don't want to throw his name out there, but I asked a former sergeant that used to work at the Public Safety Communications. His thoughts on the idea and his thoughts was, we never should have, we never should have left intergraphed hexagon. The other reasons I asked this question, of course, we're talking about a lot of money and of course ultimately it becomes the citizens that pay for this but if we're going to go back to intergraph without an RFP system then I guess my question would be is this three years ago when we did this and memory my memory may not be as good as and I was not sitting in this position but intergraph didn't bid on this project three years ago when we put an RFP process out so why I guess from my perspective really is this the company that we need to be going to and and I asked that question not knowing all everything and certainly not an IT person but the bottom line is is if if this particular company didn't want to support us three years ago how are the how come are they going to support us today okay can I can I answer part of that I want to answer the first part of your concern regarding the lack of an RFP process and the Texas local

[1:09:35] government code is where we find all of our purchasing requirements and there is a specific exception in the code which we cited in the heading on this item which states the procurement necessary to preserve and protect the public health or safety of municipalities residents. So looking at the system and working within the system for the past seven or eight, nine months, however long it's been live, there have been very scary situations that have occurred that have led us to the belief that if we do not remedy this quickly, we are going to have something serious happen here. The RFP process for this kind of technical purchase is a very long process. I think it started in 2014, and we went live last summer. So we just did not feel after looking at it and evaluating all options that we had that kind of time. I appreciate that, but I just want the public to understand the process. And typically what happens when you do an RFP, if you have an existing vendor, I went through this with Verizon several years back. If you have an existing vendor and you ask for a new vendor, they don't typically bid on that RFP. And the reason that, and I wasn't involved in the RFP for Spilman, but I've learned a little bit of the history of it, and we submitted that RFP as a new system. And while Hexagon could have given us a new system, it was more of an upgrade for them. So they couldn't really address the RFP as it, line by line, as you typically, as you have to address an RFP, because they were like, well, you already have our system. We can't just, you know, we can't address the RFP line by line like we need to. Any other questions? The intergraph system work. The Spillman system does not work. That's what we needed. We go back to the one that worked. Yes, sir. a comment for those standing in the room before we went live with this system I am particular but this council did ask all of these questions to make sure that

[1:11:40] it was going to work inter-departmental for those of you that are there we we did ask for your safety concerns up front please know that didn't work out I have any public comment on this item before we move forward. Come ahead, please. Good morning. Good morning. My name is David Barron. I retired from the city in May of 2015 after 26 and a half years with the communications system. I was part of the process from when we had absolutely no computer system to low bed and fear system that was replaced by intergraph. I was part of the system of getting mapping some of the mapping done. We had the maps. in their first streets that had to be put in mainly. So I was part of that process of getting that going. We now have GIS people that do all that stuff now. But as we've made the transition from the intergraph to Sculman, I know it's after I retired, but I came back and worked part-time. During that part-time, we were still using the intergraph, and went through the training. I could tell immediately during the training process that it wasn't going to work. And then I was part of the, as we went live, I became horribly evident it was not going to work. SIS steps that used to take two or three mouse clicks, now took multiple mouse clicks. The intergraph then would interface with the Zetron Fire Station Learning System. The Spellman System, at least the way it was configured, did not. That made additional steps there to just alert the firefighters to be able to get the calls. And also, you could have done that from any position with the intergraph system in the building. And now you had to physically go back to the fire position and punch buttons on the hardware that actually ran this fire station working system to make it work.

[1:13:41] So, you know, it added steps at a time, you know, delaying responses for the fire department, which most of the time, you do not need that. All I have, you have any questions? Thank you very much, sir. Any other public comment? Yes, Steve. I'm not here to support or attack spillman. I'm here because I want to point out a couple of things that I think the council should take into consideration. I'm not questioning that there are issues with spillman, obviously there are there were issues before we left. Prior to my retirement, I had already advised legal that we may be seeking legal action if they weren't able to provide what they needed to provide. So we were already laying that groundwork before we left. but an officer's safety is primary, that is a big issue. I know that in the future agenda, I don't, we're gonna be discussing their salaries and their pay raises, and this is what brought me here today, was the issue of us spending $2.2, $2.3 million without doing due diligence, and I'm not questioning Bucky's abilities or Bucky's thoroughness, but there's a couple things that I think that, for especially for the new council members that need to be brought up to date. We went to intergrap in 1999. The chief at the time decided that was the Cadillac, that was the system that we wanted to go with. Over the years, and I say over the years, once I became chief, we would come every year to counsel during budget session. And during that budget session, we would get approved our maintenance fees, but we would ask for upgrades. The upgrades were always denied, whether that was presented to counsel or not through finance. I don't know, but they were always denied. At the time, we were six versions behind Energraph. And in order to bring Energraph to where we needed it to be in the new version, we were looking at $2.3 million. The problem was that we were paying about $180 a year in maintenance fees to be with Energraph,

[1:15:42] to be with the Cadillac. We were having the issues, we were having issues with Energraph, we're the issues because we weren't taking the upgrades. I don't know, but we were having the issues. We also understood that every time there was an upgrade to the system, that was gonna be an additional quarter of a million dollars that we were gonna have to pony up. And I think that's why a lot of times Council voted against giving us the upgrades for those systems. So the costs were extraordinary in comparison to other RMS systems in regards to their maintenance fees. This has been the same concern from chiefs throughout the state of Texas and throughout the United States that work with the intergraph have stated over an overgreen, the maintenance fees and upgrades are extraordinary. And I'm cautioning you, before you jump in back into hexagon, there's a couple of things I want to discuss. The generator and the switches that which Bucky mentioned were issues too that we have brought before council for the last several years saying those were things that needed to be taken care of. They need to be taken care of three or four years ago and have not been. So those are things that I do recommend for sure need to be taken care of. One thing is is that I received information last night that maybe one or some of Council and maybe some of legal staff have been notified that Abling was having the same issue that we were having here with Spillman. So I contacted Chief Standridge at home last night and I spoke to him in length. He stated that they have done everything they can to replicate the problems that we are having here at the S.A.P.D. and it's not happening. So is the problem with something that we're doing here in San Angelo? Is it our servers? Are there issues? So before we spend $2.3 million, I think it would behoove council to hire an unbiased consultant to look, go to Abling, find out what's why it's working there and why it isn't working here. Abling goes live next month. Again, $2.3 million is a lot of money to spend when we

[1:17:44] We need to be paying our officers more money. And so I'm concerned about that. Why do we need an RFP? I think that I understand the urgency that we're looking at, that we need to take care of the officers. Obviously, we need to do that. The intergraph system is running. We just need to pay the initial $145,000 for maintenance. We still keep the software running in the background while we continue to do to look further in. I think that when you look at future costs of going back to Intergraph and past history, that's gonna be some issues. We've been here before. When we left Binsmiller to go to Intergraph in 1999, we maintained Binsmiller for well over a decade and we're able to pull the data that we needed out of Binsmiller. And before we had to do anything else with that. Let's see. When I look at the new system, we needed the new system before, because we were so many versions behind. when it came to intergraph that was the reason that we went for RFP. You are going to be getting an entirely new system and not just a I would say upgrade it's you're bringing in servers you're bringing everything else you're getting a new system and I think that despite the urgency you should use due diligence because you're looking at future costs that could be burdensome for the city and the taxpayers and I hate to see us get locked in. There are other very viable companies out there, there's New World, there's Tyler Technologies. There's several other very productive and quality software companies that are a lot more reasonable than an intergraph. And when we looked at Spillman, the one thing that enticed us a little bit, were enticed the group. I wasn't in the group of users that chose Spillman, but those group of users saw a lot of benefit in that. And they also saw the fact that with our maintenance fee, our annual maintenance fee, we also got the upgrades for free as part of the maintenance. So jumping into this, knowing the past history that we've had with this company

[1:19:47] and saying we're gonna do 2.3, well we're gonna do 2.3 now, but in two years our maintenance fee are gonna be $200, $200,000, and we're gonna be able to pay you an extra 250 every time there's an upgrade. So that's the thing that I want you to to think about. Thank you. Thank you. I can't address one of the main points he made regarding Abilene not able to replicate our issues and he actually said it best they haven't gone live yet. We didn't see any issues with it sitting on the shelf and nobody using it. It was when people started using it on their day-to-day workflow is when we started seeing issues and for them saying they can't replicate errors having not gone live is you know to me that doesn't make sense. The upgrade path that we're going to plan out, well he is right, they did not keep up with the upgrades with it. I know they requested them and they, for whatever reason, they didn't make it through. That's what we're catching up on. We're getting it to the latest and greatest as of right now and this we're going to get us at least three to four years down the road as it is. And then that's, at that point, we'll start looking at an upgrade path and a way to finance the upgrades. Any other comments on this? Morning, Jim. Good morning, my name is Jim Turner, and I've worked with computers in the industry, a little bit of consulting, mostly direct support and maintenance of systems out there. One of the things looking at this, this project, and especially a lot of the hardware parts of it and the software itself, realistically should have been considered as part of the capital improvement plant. This needs to be on there. This is a very high dollar, long life expectancy series of projects, and a lot of this needs

[1:21:49] to be reviewed just like the other capital projects that are out there, this qualifies. And the second thing is, software has a lifecycle that it'll be supported and then something that won't come along, and for example, nobody's using WordStar anymore. WordPerfect is only used in the legal profession, everybody's went to Microsoft Word, and even that's in the process of being replaced by cloud-based technologies, even by Microsoft. So what we're doing today is going to have a lifecycle. It's going to have, at some point in the future, even if no matter who we go with, we're going to have to change. And one of the things we need to look at is, it looks like there have been some problems with the selection process that left us with something that looks good on paper, but somehow it doesn't work for us. And we need to figure out what those problems were in the selection process that brought us to this. And last, we probably need to look at this as an interim fix, kind of, I hate to say it, but basically a band aid to go to a long-term solution. And that needs a lot more in-depth study on how we can work not only within the city, but possibly even with other government organizations that have exactly the same needs or similar needs we do. to get a, even a group buy, if you will. So that we have a lot more confidence, a lot more recourse, and we have other partners with this in dealing with this system. Software and computer technology is a moving target. That's what matter what you buy now. Ten years from now, you're probably going to have to buy something very, very different.

[1:23:52] And updates are incredibly important, especially now that computer security, information security is becoming more of a target, both by foreign powers and criminal activity. And in order for that to happen, these software updates, that's one of the things they also address. So all of this has to be taken into consideration. You can't put off upgrading software, six versions, and expect it to be able to function any modern information, technology, and environment. Yeah, but you can't put it off forever. It's not like a building where you can kind of defer maintenance a long time software, you can't defer it. Literally as long. Thank you. Jim. There's a couple of things that I wanted to add. One was that we did see some issues before we went go live. of those issues were something that's building that they could correct. We went live, we weren't able to correct. When I spoke to Chief Stainridge last night, he did mention that him and his staff is the chiefs that he have overseeing the project will be more than willing to visit, whether it's through a conference call or anything with the council members to discuss the issues that they've been trying to replicate, that we have here, that they don't have there, if that's something of interest to you. You know, looking at this, like I said, I'd rather see the money go elsewhere salary than do this without using our due diligence to make sure that we're not messing up somewhere here within ourselves, whether servers or whatever, outdated systems. I think that he said something that was interesting, but in the end, we do need to understand that with infrastructure, even police infrastructure, which is something that I emphasize many, many times. It is imperative that we continue to put money into that infrastructure and

[1:25:55] do the updates with technology and the way that policing is done today. It's important that we stay focused on that. And so it is a need for this APD is not a one. I am morning mayor council. The fire department does not use I am done. Sir you are cheap done. State today. Chief Dunne, Fire Department. The Fire Department does not use a data records management system that PD does. We have a separate data management system that is completely separate from Spillman. We are not having any issues in that. However, on the CAD side, we are still having serious issues with emergency response. And that is where the problems lie for us, getting us out the door and getting response. I can tell you just the other day, I was at one of the stations talking to the officer and I happened to be standing by the the radio that was in the office back in the station, the rest of the guys were in a different part of the station. I heard the stuff come across the radio, nothing came across the announcement. I went back to where they were at, and I said, you guys know you've got a run in Great Creek. No, they would not have known if we had not been standing back there for multiple minutes. These things continue to happen for us, and it's all on the dispatch side or the emergency response side for us, which is the part that can impact us or the citizens. So we still have issues. We did not have those issues prior to this, with the other system, prior to going live. So. Thank you, Dave. Mayor, I'd like to add, as far as making this move and making this recommendation is not taking very lightly. The staff, and I've seen the new administration staff that's been working on trying to make this work, we've had, they've had multiple meetings with Spelman who've come down. recently they did an audit which Bucky followed along as well to determine what those issues were and initially Bucky was very hopeful going into it hopefully that maybe there was a solution

[1:27:58] and when it was all said and done there just wasn't a solution we've been trying to work and work with them trying to try to see if everything that they promised it actually could develop and quite frankly they over promised them and under deliver that's what it basically comes down to. I do understand Chief Voskis when he came forward and Chief Fant and they made a recommendation. They were looking at a system, you had to keep in mind P-25 had just barely been approved by the City Council. It was $5.5 to $6 million and they were looking at a system that would do what Spelman said it would do and the cost was something that we appreciated because $1.5 million compared to over $2.3 million was a big, big hefty difference. We understand, Chief, as far as what you're coming up here and saying, I'm telling you from what I've seen, and even with staff, when I've talked to them, is initially I wanted so badly for it to work, and I saw them work and work and work at it. And there just wasn't a solution for that. And what's been brought up right now, my biggest concern is the first responders and issues that the Chief just mentioned will go as far as the fire department. There's been multiple issues. Police officers have been multiple issues with dispatches but multiple issues, and it's not for lack of trying. efforts have been there and I can tell you right now that we are at our what's end we know that at this point we've done everything on our part that we needed to do they'll come in and do what they call a patch and it messes up a whole bunch of other things that they fixed so again we're at the point of frustration and at this point as far as bringing it here's an emergency as far as I'm concerned it is and it should be resolved it needs to be resolved now we can't wait to look at at other viable options when we know that in a graph or exagon is the option that we know will work. At this point, looking at other options that may come in with a spillman or any others that we may have issues with, it's not worth that risk for our first responders. So at this point, the recommendation that we have is to move forward with the hexagon and get this thing done.

[1:29:59] All right. I agree with the city manager. If I'm the spouse of that first responder, child of or the mother of that first responder. I want them to have the tools available to do their job, to protect them. Two million, three hundred and seventy five. That's a lot of money. It's a lot of money, but it's nothing, nothing compared to the life of one of our first responders. I move for approval. I will second. Do I have a motion on the floor? Do we approve this as presented? I do have a second. Do I have any further public comment on this item? Steve Hampton. I'm in agreement that we need an immediate solution. I don't think that this may be it. I think this has been a while in getting to this point and as it has been accumulating some size like a snowball rolling down the hill and now it's a crisis. I think we need a solution for the short term but I like Mr. Turner said we definitely need to work on a long term solution. We talk about every time we want something we compare it to the sister cities we don't we we have a lean has been mentioned as to what they're what they're doing and be curious to monitor them for the long term to see if they have the same problems. But our many immediate solution is a short term solution is is maybe doing some of this and because we're in the

[1:31:59] process of looking at buying a new building or building a new building for them, and there's a lot of other considerations to be had. So I would request that the City Council start looking at what is the best, and what is the IBM standard for this electronic situation. Thank you. further public comment on this item. We do have a motion on the floor and a second to approve it. I'd like to make a comment. I was wanting to say that just like Charlotte said about the police officers, their safety, we're also talking about the safety of the public. We're talking about when they call the and dispatch the fire department or police and need help and then if they miss that call, that could be someone's life. That could be one of our own family members that they're not getting to. So for that reason, I will also approve this, because we are definitely in need of this program. Good morning to the council. My name is Billy DeWitt. And as I said, they are listening to all of the feedback. One of the most critical things, and certainly I appreciate Charlotte making a motion to approve this. But, Mayor, when you ask those on the front line, if that was something they needed, that made a real big difference to me. And I understand because I was in the world to work for a lot of years. And my question is, and how did we get to this point? How did we get to a system that didn't work?

[1:33:59] And there may not be any answers to that question. But those are questions that have gone through my mind. If we had something that was meeting our needs at the time through Hexagon, I can't remember what the name was former to that, why did we go over to something else? And then why didn't we keep up with the maintenance on it? And I just don't think we can put a band-aid on it. And if I understood the finance lady correctly, that there is money somewhere that was already budgeted for a new police facility. My question is, what will happen with that? Is that something we can use and not have to draw from other funds? Or what? That was just a question I have, so. I think if bond isn't dead issue, we're issuing debt bonds. We're issuing bonds for debt. OK. All right, so there would be a place we could go get the money. And believe me, we talk about $2.3 million. that is a lot of money. But I think people that are on the front line have to have the tools that they need to be able to do their job. So just like their pay increase, they need a livable income. They have to have the tools to be able to do that job. But they may not even be here to get an income. So I just support the motion in the second of going with this. But then I would ask the legal department, are there some kind of consequences built into the contract, that if they don't do what they're supposed to do, you know, is there some way we can be recompensated, and as I understand with Spillman, or whatever it is, that we have to look into it. Well, I would certainly suggest to the city manager that there be something built in the contract, that if hexagon doesn't work out, then they pay us or reimburse us, you know, that there is some consequence to them. Because if there's no consequence, they'll sell you

[1:35:59] whatever at any time. So thank you for the opportunity to speak. One more item. I want these first responders out there to understand that I want to support them doing whatever they need to do. My only question is, is we get this thing going and it works in two years whenever we've got to pay a quarter of a million dollars or whatever that figure is for an upgrade or whatever that the citizens out there are reminded that we knew this going in that there was going to be a cost to this particular doing business with this particular company. So I want people to understand that I want to support first responders, those police officers and those firefighters doing what we need to do. But if we step off with this $2.3 million debt and still have to pay some maintenance fees and some upgrades of a quarter million dollars or whatever that figure may be in two or three years that the citizens understand that's a price of doing business with this particular organization. There can I just clarify something as to the money for the police station that is not money that is budgeted but it is we are able to do that within our existing debt capacity that we have allocated for debt service in addition the police department does already have budgeted in their current budget the money to cover the maintenance cost for the hexagon project as to the upgrades that finance will work with police to come up with a solution for that in the future. Well I will tell you we have worked with Spillman to try and solve these problems and Bucky and the rest of our IT guys have worked hard with them and they've worked on patches and they've worked on patches and we've been made promises and it's not working and we need to do something and I think now is better than later before we get somebody in trouble. So we do have a motion on the floor for the other second that we approve this as presented.

[1:38:00] I've asked for council discussion, is there any more? I've asked for public comment, is there any more? I'm going to call for the vote. All in favor of approving the $2.375662 to upgrade this system and get our first responders back online please say aye any opposed say nay drop a 5-0 on that one mr. Brian and it is 10-12 and this next item this next item will take I know an hour probably closer to two so I need to talk to a man about a dog so call a 15 minute break. Three let's open this meeting back up. I do want to make two announcements before we get into to this next item. There will be some capital improvement talk later on probably it may be after the Sun goes down tonight before we get to that. But I know that there is a group of people here from the historic Santa Fe Depot Museum that wanted to let us know that they're interested in the depot and I would ask you at this time stand up so we can see who you are see what kind of a contingent that you brought and we appreciate y'all being here today we will consider your request when we get to it also I know there's some people here from Butler Farms that have come to ask for some work on the captain improvements and they may have already left because I told them it'd be late before we got to it but if anybody is still in the audience for Butler Farm stand up and be recognized. I think they've already left but anyhow they'll be back hopefully at the time. Alright we are now ready for item number G which is discussion and possible action related to employee compensation and or stipends. Lisa Marnie you have the floor ma'am. Morning Mayor Council City Manager I thought the best thing to do today would be to start with a brief overview of

[1:40:04] how we came to this position today. And so this is really for the benefit of those watching at home and who are present in the room. In September of 2016, in accordance with the Funding Obligations Clause in all city contracts, meeting confer was notified that there was not enough money available to fund salary increases for October of 2016. It was going to cost $635,960 with a split of 7.31% increase for police officers, 9.65% increase for sergeants, and 9.68% for lieutenants. The SAP devoted to have the city use the funding that was available, which was $311,000, to partially offset substantial increases to the health insurance for employees and retirees. At the time, the shortage was $481,000. So the 311 did not offset the entire cost. In addition at that time, the membership voted to defer a decision on salary increases until April 2017. In February of 2017, we had our strategic planning meeting with the council. And at that time, I presented the current status of salaries for all positions as they compare to the 13th survey cities. as council reiterated that funding was not available for full raises for PD or any other employee category. I also informed the council the time frames and how the contract would expire with meeting confer on April 1st if an arrangement was not met. After much discussion at the workshop, the council told staff to find money for a one-time lump sum stipend, first for PD, then for fire, and then for the remaining employees. Alumpt some stipend equivalent to the PD six month raise

[1:42:04] from April to September was 317,980 dollars. We figured that out and presented it to the meeting for teams. In March of 2007, the meeting for a meeting was held and the discoveries from the strategic planning meeting was presented. We told them that there was no funding for the entire year of a pay increase. There was no funding for a mid-year pay increase, but that there would be funding found for a lump sum stipend. And each member at that time was given a list. We gave a list to PD of all the individual stipends for each member. SACOP and TMPA took this to their membership for a vote, and it failed with 52 in favor and 85 opposed. This brings us to the April 1 deadline for the meet and confer contracts still exists, including all of the issues that will expire with the contract. Today, I've brought plenty of data with me on retention, salary history, staffing, anything that you might have questions on. And given the amount of people in the room, unless you have any questions for me, I will step aside and let them speak to this issue. Did you have a question line? I don't have any questions about it, I do have a statement. A contract is only good as the people signing it, the police have a contract with us to bring us up to them up to the 95%. Last fall we did have that 322,000 and they willingly gave it up to go across the board application towards all employee insurance premiums. I don't know of any other employee and business that does that in the city of St. Angelo. which mind it, when my insurance premiums go up. Once again, our police officers thought of others before themselves. They met their requirements, and now it's time for us to honor our contract.

[1:44:04] I want my son to grow up in a safe city, and the only way to do that is to provide for our police officers and treat them well. If we do not fulfill our obligations, there are consequences that will prevent this from happening. So I'm going to make a motion now that the money allotted for a stipend going towards the police officers will be for a raise and the other employees considered a stipend. Mitch, are we talking about, and does that include fire? I guess you're talking about the $317,000 that we offered as a stipend. I'm talking about the 317 that's considered for a stipend. I wanted it to be considered actual raise go towards their benefits. That's only for the police department that didn't include fire? Oh, he said also it would be considered as a stopping for fire department and city employees, but it would go toward the pay for the police. Is that the way you understood it? And I don't have the figure out here. I think it's 370. What is it Lisa? The actual number at four police pain creases because of the promotions that we've had. It's no longer than three seventeen. It's three forty two eight nineteen. Your motion lane is that we take three hundred and forty two thousand dollars three hundred and forty two eight hundred and nineteen dollars and apply it to a raise. It goes according to their it goes to their salary and that for the rest of the city employees fire and the city employees that it be a stop-and-yes that will fulfill our contract for meeting confer. We didn't have a copy of the contract in our package today is that right? That's correct. I'm looking at it in the terms of the agreement I want to

[1:46:11] know exactly what it is that we're being told that we're not fulfilling is mutually agreed that the decision on a three a year three salary increase based on the 2016 market midpoint comparison as defined in the agreement and scheduled to occur October 1, 2016 will be deferred until April 1, 2017. How much was that? That was the 342 number. The 342 number. Are you? The 342, 819. Yes, ma'am. I'm not ready to second that yet. There's a whole lot of discussion that needs to be had before. I'm going to make a second on that. I'm not ready to second that yet. There's a whole lot of discussion needs to be had before I'm gonna make a second on that. I agree. I think we need to be successful for there. I guess one of my questions is if we decide this is direction we're gonna go on this. What does that mean for for fiscal year 18 and the new council is going to be sitting up here. Are we now going to be looking for $700,000 to fund raises for the PD for fiscal year 18. That would double the 3 42 doubles on 10 one because the 3 42 is just for a six-month period. That's 684 something 685. Right. Okay so and I guess I'll go back to the beginning of the month when we had the workshop and one of the things that the mayor said at that point in time was he didn't think he wanted to tie the hands of the four or five new people that are up there. Now Lane and I are here for the next two years but you've got four or five new people that will probably be up here. So it's gonna be tough if we're in a continued to be in a down sales tax year that for us to predict where

[1:48:14] we're going to be in four or five months, I mean, well, six months of the fiscal year and then we're going to have to do the budget here in four or five months. So we're going to have to have some more discussion before I get to that spot. I think the citizens really want to support all the first responders, and I said all with whatever we can do, but in the same token, most of those citizens don't want to see a property tax increase to do that. So it's going to be really, really tough for us to make everybody happy in this particular instance. And I just say that. And I know this is more, is probably tougher on some of the officers that are standing out here today because of the way their work schedules are. Some of these officers are not able to hold those second jobs and get that over time that they had a year ago so I know financially they're being impacted and they certainly would like to see us be able to do this but I think we've got a long ways to go here and it's gonna take a number of these people in the room and a number of the people sitting up here before we can get to that spot which is why I thought that the stopping was a perfect idea we gave the police officers exactly what they wanted we gave them the exact amount of money that they asked for, but we put it in a stipend so that we would not have to face this again in October. We've got 22, 24 months of a downturn in sales tax and to add $350 to the budget now, which means we're talking about $700,000 in October, is a lot of money. And if our economy continues to go south, if we don't have it now, we're not going to have it in October, but we were able to get a one-time stop and engage them everything they asked for. Every dollar they asked

[1:50:16] for, it just didn't go to their salary. It went to their pockets. I really don't understand why they turned it down. I don't understand why they turned it down. I mean, it was a good faith offer. And it's still a good faith offer until April 1. And personally, if they would like to go back and reconsider and come up with a yes vote, I'd be willing to come back up here before April 1 and approve this so that meet and confer doesn't go away. This is not just a vote on the money. This is meet and confer and it's all of the many advances that have been made in the last several years. So this is a very serious vote. Let me ask this question because I just had this conversation during the break with Theresa. These are two separate items or can be two separate items. $342,000 is one item. The meeting confer is another item. I don't want to see the meeting confer go away. I think there's too much progress been made on both sides. I don't want to see that go away. But in the same token, I want to make sure that we take care of all of the citizens, all the employees that are out here, and not just the police department. But we have the first responders, Chief Dunne was in here a little while ago. We want to make sure that we're taking care of them also. And I understand that the meeting confer and the officers that were in there negotiated this thing. But the bottom line is we got 900 plus employees out there. There's 165 officers, and we're gonna meet the obligation with 165 officers. I wanna make sure that we're taking care of the other 750 employees in this great city. So from my perspective, I'm losing a lot of sleep over this and it's really, really tough, But I guarantee you I want to support everybody and not just one particular group and officers. I understand exactly why you're here and I know it's a very emotional situation and I know as I already said that some of you because of the way that the new system is working you're

[1:52:22] making less money because you're not able to go out and do overtime and some of these side jobs, understand that. But everybody that came to work for each position in the city knew exactly what that salary was going to be when you stepped into that particular job. Same thing I did when I worked 40 years for one particular company. I knew what that salary was when I went to work for them. Could you give us some ideas? And Harry made a good point. There's 900 city and employees. The cops represent about 165 of that 900. Do you have some some average wages that the that the police or do we have an average amount of money that the police are making and then maybe an average on the fire and then maybe an average on the other city employees so that we can kind of put this in perspective. And when you get through don't forget we're down here holding up hand, please. That's right. You were? Yes. I'll get you a minute. Thank you, sir. You were as well, Lane. I'll get you in two minutes. Okay. I have the police averages. And this is talking base salary, not with all the ad pays in it. Or do you want all the ad pays out? Just give me the base. Okay. Average right now for the people on staff. Police officers average is $50,518. Sargent's average $65,044. Lieutenant's 73,384. Do you have a comparison maybe for fire and also for the other city employees because our water department and our streets, all of these people are important. Can you give me other averages please ma'am? Yes, sir. Firefighters, $44,752. Drivers, $51,602.

[1:54:33] The tenants, $59,380. Captains, $68,076. Then I have, I do not have it by job for all the other employees. I have a single number that is the average across the city and that's 40, 2006, 13. That kind of gives us some perspective. I mean, what we're paying our fire, what we're paying our police, and what we're paying our other employees. And that's what I wanted to do to get a perspective here. Yes, ma'am, Charlotte. And a lot of the phone calls or emails and stuff that I've received the last couple of weeks, I'd ask Ms. Morley to give me some numbers. And I particularly wanted to start it in 2010 when a siphon was offered at that time, and those siphons ranged from $303 to $910 per person that was accepted. And that was in 2010. And then in 2011, there were salary increases that ranged from 1.7% to 7.7% increases to the salaries. Then in 2012, we gave 2.7% to 4% increase in salaries. We did the same thing the following year, 2013, 2.7 to 4% in salary increases. And then in 2014, we gave 5.7 to 7.89% in salary increases. And then in 2015, we gave 6.26%. There were no increases in 2016. Now, that's a total on the high side of 29.85% in salary increases that we have been giving. We have been working to try to bring the salaries up.

[1:56:34] Don't shoot us from times before us, before we started raising these salaries and understanding that there needed to be a living wage out there. And I'm not saying I'm against an increase now because I'm for an increase for you. but I want you to understand we have been, we have been working to find the money cutting the budget in various places and not raising property taxes. We've held them at the same level for 10 years without an increase or rolled back a property tax increase. And if you looked on the stuff that the chamber provided before and people that I've talked to said no, you've raised my property taxes every year. the city has not. We have not raised the rate. Now, in talking to these same people, nobody's willing for their property tax to go up to give you that increase. So we've been looking for other sources. The last thing is hard to find monies. And it is my understanding that all we've been able to find are from one time sources, which means if we take those monies from one-time sources to give you something today, that saddles the next council that Harry was referring to with debt and in a down economy is how they're going to pay for it. Well, when I got on council, the city was near bankrupt. We were in tremendous debt and it's been a long fight to come out of it. And I don't mind sitting up here and saying so, Michael, if I'm wrong, you correct me. But we have climbed out of that, and it has simply been cutting, things like car allowances, cutting. There's no more car allowances for police chiefs or city managers or anybody. Very few people in this society get paid to drive to work.

[1:58:37] That's reality. So we've tried to find those areas, and I want to find it today. But Lane, I'll be happy to second your motion and settle with the next people's debt, but it's got to include something for everyone that is in there, and if it doubles the following year, it'd be $685,638,000, they're gonna start off in debt. I understand that. I don't like it, that people gotta be able to pay their bills. I wanna make sure that all the other employees are knowing that I'm not saying that they do not deserve a raise. We are in an agreement, a contract with the police department to get them to this 95% if they wanted to get up there then go into a contract with the city of St. Angelo also. And they'll be told the same thing that, sorry, we don't have the money. But they've been given up items for this contract, appeal processes for disciplinary action, physical fitness exam to go through. They're meeting all of these requirements that will fulfill their side of the bargain. They have done it. All of them standing, you see them in numbers. And for us to say that I don't want to saddle, I'll be on council come October, Harry Will, Charlotte and Lucy maybe. I'm willing to take that on. There's things that we can do that maybe with a little more conviction I was being sure that I knew how to make sure I said that right I know how that is but I'm willing to go ahead and go forth and find those the monies later on there's options that we have vehicle purchases. We just took okay $400,000 for dump trucks. We can put that

[2:00:40] on a hold. Once we get that Benedetti here, talk to Shane about that. The first couple roads that we do, if they're looking like they're, it's an option for us to do in multitude, then our $4.5 million that we do on the silco projects can be cut down to 1.2 plus materials, so saving about $3 million a year. There's options that we can do so three hundred and forty two thousand dollars give them their raise. I'll call for public comment and many man let's let's get through the council then I will open it up for public comment you get your opportunity. I received quite a few emails tax phone calls up to last night and everyone is in favor of the raise and so am I I appreciate everyone, the police, the fire, the general workers for the city, everyone is important. As y'all all know that it takes us all to make it complete. We need those people in the city. We need the fire. We need the police. Everybody has to work hand in hand in order for us to be able to make this community safe and successful. And I believe also that I'm very much for the, for the race. I, I know it's going to be hard. I know that we're not gonna, we're gonna have a hard time finding it. But I am with these guys, whether I'm here or not, I will be wanting to see this complete. I know that there's a solution to this problem. It's just getting in there and finding it and hoping and praying that something will happen that our revenue will go up anything. But I'm willing to sit here and commit myself and say that I am for you police officers I am for this race. Just one other item because I think the council is leaning towards what Lane has suggested

[2:02:45] by he and I and the new council looking for ways to find the additional dollars for the fiscal year 18. What I'd like to see done then is let's put a plan together for the rest of the employees We've got the other department out there, our first responders, that are not getting the raise. We've got the other almost 600 employees out there that are not getting the raise. So let's see when the new council is seated that we can work with the senior staff and put a plan together, whether that plan takes two or three years or whatever it takes to get there so that we can get everybody to where they need to be in comparison to our sister cities. I think this could be the first step, but what I don't want to do is say we're going to single out 165 people and that's the only people that we're going to concentrate on. I want to make sure that all 750 other people are taken care of. So Lane, I'm going to challenge you to help me and Daniel and the senior staff work through this plan. I'd like to give some reality figures on this, because when I woke up at 2.30 yesterday morning worrying about this, I wrote Daniel a text, and I said, give me some exact figures. This is the reality of what you're asking for. I think you've got your three votes today, which is enough to get this for you. But it is going to take an ordinance where the money is put and changed into an ordinance. And an ordinance takes four votes, and it takes two readings. So you can might get your three votes today to get your raises put into your salary. But that does not mean that you're going to get the four votes necessary to get the ordinance

[2:04:45] amended to get the money into the system. And the ordinance has to pass. Am I right on, Mr. Easton? That is correct. You could win the battle today and lose the war. And you could also lose meat and confer and lose all the many things that you have gained over the past few years. So I want you to understand that. Also I want you to understand that the general budget, the general fund that pays salaries in the city of San Angelo, 72% of every dollar that is spent goes to salaries. That leaves 28% of the general fund for discretionary spending. And you can only push that 28% so far. 22 percent of our budget goes to pay salaries. I also asked Daniel if we were to, and I was thinking of the 635,000 that would be halved with this, the general entry level position in the city of San Angelo is $35,135. That's the entry level with benefits. And I asked Daniel how many jobs, if the economy continues to go south, how many layoffs would we have to do in the city of St. Angelo to finance $635,000 worth of raises for the police? And that would be then it was $635,000 in April and then $1,000,000 again when we do it again in October to fund the $635,000 in raises would cost the city 18 jobs. That's how many people would have to be laid off just to pay for your raise. Now when you cut that down to $342,000 And then another $342,000, you're still looking at $635, $635,000. If the economy continues to go south in October, when the council has to approach this again,

[2:06:48] it will cost, it could cost 18 people in the city of San Angelo, their jobs. And that's about a third of these jobs are going to come out of non-essentials in the police department. You're going to lose some employees in your police department that are not covered by meeting confer. We're going to lose employees in our fire department. We're going to lose employees in our city just to fund $635,000 for your salary increases will could cost 18 people their jobs in the city of San Angelo. Now that's reality and you can only push that 28% of discretionary funds so far. So So that's what you're asking for here today. If you will accept the offer that we made with the one-time stipend, we can avoid this problem. We can avoid the problem of laying off because in October we can look at it again and we're not starting $342,819 in the whole, times two. And that's what it will be in October. So I mean if you are totally insistent on getting these raises and you're getting a far greater raise than anyone else in this city, I want you to realize that you could force layoffs if we cannot afford these raises in October. You could force 18 people to lose your job. And this is a reality because it happened in the school district about 10 years ago when they had to rest, if my memory is correct, about 20% of their employees, they just got a pink slip in the mail. no longer here because we can't pay you. And that's exactly what we're headed toward with this. That is why I ask you. I ask you please accept this stipend. You're getting the same amount of money. It's the same thing except the stipend and let us work on this and let's let the economy see if it'll go more and then in October we can talk about this again. But if you put the city in a bind where

[2:08:49] we are forced to deal with this, it could cost people in our city to lose their job. That's the reality of this. And remember, you can win today. That doesn't mean you're going to win the ordinance and you could lose everything if you want to accept the offer that we've made. That's the long and short. One other thing I want to mention, Tina said a while ago that there was $5 million in a police station fund, that ain't true. That's nothing but a placeholder, it's just a mark on a piece of paper. is no $5 million in the Police Department Building Fund. Who asked? Well I wanted to say that you're saying I don't want to play scare tactics on you in losing 18 positions. You've got to realize that we've got un-filled positions out there that could be frozen next year and the next year so not necessarily 18 people would be losing jobs. I don't want to throw that out there. It is an equivalent. I was just giving a figure for comparison sake. That's how many jobs it would take to fund this increase. But I also want to remind everyone that 24, 7, 365 days a year you expect to turn your faucet on and you expect water to come out of there. That water employee to me is just as crucial to the fire in the police because it takes manpower to make sure 2473 65 we've got running water. And if you don't know what a task that is, I challenge you to ride along with some of our water guys on a daily basis when we have leaks. It's tremendous. So we care about our I care about our employees. All of you I have fought for you ever since I have been up here. It's just tough to read that we reneged on a contract. We did this. We are controlled by money, period.

[2:10:50] And all we control in your area is your budget. We don't get involved on your evaluations to determine what percentage if you meet expectations or exceed expectations. We don't get involved in any of that. And if you've been treated poorly in the past and not gotten your fair share of the percentages of monies that we've granted, I apologize, but blaming the council is not the route to go because we just do your budget. We have no control over anything else. That's it. But there is a process that you can certainly go through if you've not received your fair share of what you feel that you have. And I don't know if you heard while ago, but I said, I gladly second Lane's motion on that. Okay, you did here. I just wanted to make sure and. Yeah, there's a motion on the floor and a second. So we will deal with this. We will deal with this issue. There will be a vote taken. I guess time to open up for comment from the public. Hey, Jane, you got three minutes. There were a few minutes. Before we open for public comments, I would like to point out that if the way it looks like it's heading, we're going to pay raises for the police and fire or the police officers, that will take two readings of council, which as we've already discussed, there's no guarantee that will pass because it requires four votes to pass and we don't have those four votes here today. So what we're gonna have to do is we're gonna have to convene the meet and confer team to develop language for an amendment to the contract extending that termination date of April 1st. We're gonna have to go back out and let them have time to vote, And then we're going to have to convene the meet and confer team again to... We will take four votes today since we are amending it. Well, no, you're not going to take those and say what I'm getting at is that I'm not sure

[2:12:50] we're going to have time by April 1st to meet all of the posting deadlines for all of those meetings that are required to keep the agreement. So you guys can make a decision today to give them their pay raises, but that's going to require a modification to the agreement that we're not sure that we're going to be able to just based on statutory requirements meet. We have a 72-hour post. I understand that is in my second, but we kicked the can. It's now time to position the can and make the bill go. So you talked about possibly meeting in the weekend? Is that something that? Well, even if we met on the weekend, that would mean that Lisa's going to have to spend her weekend waiting for a vote. So if we posted tomorrow we can meet on Saturday, then there's going to be two days of voting. And then after the vote, there's going to have to be another posting for meetings, too. I'm exactly going to have to vote on, from our side, because you have an existing contract. You have an existing contract that is amended at this point and says, pay raises by April 1st, if they say they're going to do it. And it's your actions, right? The pay raises aren't actually in effect until it's budgeted, and that can't happen until the second meeting in April. Because we have to have two readings of council. I would have to vote to extend to get a little bit of time for that to occur, that wouldn't be a problem. I'm part of Doug Thomas, San Angelou Petey, and I represent these police officers as a chief negotiator for meeting confer. And to answer your question as to why we reject as your officer, it's a matter of principle. For us, this is the third time we've stepped back, considered others. And I think the officers had decided that, you know, we are in a contract. It means something to us. We fulfill our goals. We fulfill the things that we're supposed to do. And the officers felt like it was time that you performed as well. And that's the simple truth. As far as the origins of this contract,

[2:14:52] we look behind about monetary issues with this situation. I think we need to be looking ahead because this is all about officer retention. It has been from the beginning. That is a big deal to us because when we lose experience, like we did in 2008 and 2009, it's very hard to recover as an agency, we're talking about the readiness of your troops in the field out there. And this affects that, a great deal. We're staring down the barrel, of course, you've heard of the federal officers being hired in large numbers, creates a vacuum in our industry across the state, which opens up jobs and other Texas agencies for our young officers to go to. You know, in 2008 and 2009, we couldn't even compete with Big Lake, we lost officers to that agency, okay? That's sad. We're so far behind then, and through the years, yes, like six out of eight times, we've received raises, but we're still behind. That's a problem. We're talking about readiness of your organization here that's gonna be in trouble if these hiring's come up in 2017, and we lose a lot more. You know, in 2008 and 2009, our numbers dwindled down to something like 118 officers. Well, there was a terrible impact on the citizens. We had nine homicides that year. Well, a year and a half, two year in that timeframe. Very high homicide rate. It's because we couldn't, we didn't have enough manpower to put pressure on the criminals. And when you can't do that, it negatively impacts your community. Now, we have great support from our community. We love them, they love us. I mean, it's obvious, you know, we have great respect for you. I truly believe you'll honor this contract. I want you to, you know. Do you have any questions for me, that's? I do. What is the difference in $342,819 in a stipend

[2:16:54] as far as money that your officers can spend? and $342,819 going on to their salary. It's the same amount of money. It is. It's the same amount of money and by standing on principle, you are taking a chance here that you're going to lose it all. True. I don't understand why when it's the same amount of money. It's not the same, sir. It's not the same. When I get attached to my salary and my benefits over the 10 years of my career that I have left, that equates to a lot more money for me. Well, I understand that's the difference in these officers. They're not dummies. They understand that even our young ones, they said no. Well, not all of them did, because some of them said, let's take, let's let's be patient with the city. The younger officers were cognizant of that's what I'm saying. A lot of them said, let's let's work with the city. Let's compromise with the city. Let's realize that we represent 165 people of a 900 member workforce in the city of St. Angelo. And we also promised the rest of our employees that we would get them to a 95% out of their city's. We made the same promise to all of them, not just police. Well, you're in a contract with us. We negotiate. We give up things. They do not. Fire department was asked to. They said, no, we don't want me to confer. The other city employees, I don't know if they have the option or not. Probably could if they wanted to. But we actually go to the bargaining table, give up things. All I'm asking for is some patience. I'm asking for some patience and to work with us. You're still getting your money. Work with us and let this economy go north so that we're not putting ourselves in a position where we could be forced to lay off employees. That's my concern. I care for every employee in this city. You probably won't have to do that because you're probably losing enough officers to compensate, honestly. Touche.

[2:19:01] Thank you. Ms. Rhonda Moore, a citizen of St. Angelouve, spoken to y'all before. Thank you, Lang Carter. Respect level, 5,000%. I also want to thank Chris Jerome. He, I've known him for over 20 years. He asked for this to be shot up to the beginning. As far as what Mr. Thomas said, I know that a lot of people are going be sitting up here. People who are going to be running for y'all's positions should be qualified. I know some of the people who are going to be running for y'all's positions and I know they are, some of them are qualified. I can tell you, Mayor, with all due respect that as an officer's wife myself, that it's not necessarily that the officers who did agree to take that stipend was that it's a trust issue, not that they're supporting it, that they don't believe that you would give it to them in the first place, because you have an egged on so many contracts, and you have used scaretastics to get them. My brothers and sisters here, you have scaretactics to get them to give up and to not take raises, to tell them that they would have to take jobs from other people, which Mrs. Farmer here has already said that you wouldn't have to do that. So again, our kind of trust level has

[2:21:07] gone down a little bit. So we do have to pay bills. And as the Sergeant Tom said, that you were giving us a reality check. We can give you that reality check right back. Our wives here, we have several that are in attendance. And we have to wonder if our husbands are going to be coming home. And it's not just the lives. Some of them are husbands wondering if their wives are going to be coming home. So if we don't get this race and some of these younger officers leave to go to another town, that puts my husband at risk. I have two small children at home. Is my husband coming home to me in the morning? I don't have to worry about that. Well, I do have a brother and I've spent 40 years on the San Angelo Police Force, so I am. Okay, and my granddad was a member of the San Angelo Police Force also, so yes, I do. So, but they didn't have to fight for their money, did they? We do, okay? Like I said, we have to pay bills. We have to wonder if our husbands are coming home. So please, find it in your hearts. We started this meeting with prayer. Pray, find that money. Don't lose people. Art Lane Carter, he knows what he's talking about. Thank you, Pam. Good afternoon, Michelle Martin. One of the things I would like for you guys to consider is the safety issue of this.

[2:23:09] If they do not get their raises, There are several senior officers that will either retire or leave to go to other departments. That's a huge issue. If we have nothing but staff that is new officers, they're by no means less of an officer, but they are inexperienced. And that's going to put our citizens and our other officers in danger of that. A contract, I can't have a contract with my car. I can't just say, oh, it's not my budget. I have to pay it. So, for me, this is a trust thing as well. You had a contract. I think you should follow through with it. Thank you, Bam. My name is Terry Crowley. I belong to one of the other SAPD officers. He's my fiance. He's on the new class that just graduated in September. In his class, they've already lost two because of what they are not being paid. They left. They're new. That's not including the experience it's lining this wall. If I bought a truck for three years contract, after two years, if I decided, eh, it's not my budget to pay it. What do you think's going to happen for the last year of that truck? They're going to take it back. That stipend that you offered, 33% to 40% of that off the top goes to taxes. They're not, it's not the same. It's not the same. And they don't get that same amount of money that goes into their pocket. What's spread out over their career, what's spread out over a two week time frame when they get paid. It's not the same. The climate that the officers are facing today is far more detrimental.

[2:25:10] No disrespect to your family and the law enforcement at the time that they served, but it is not the same. Officers 147 plus died last year on a duty. Thank God we have not lost more than the one or two that we've lost in recent years. But every day, the whole time of the day, guns have to be drawn to protect these citizens and to protect their own lives and their brothers and sisters to make sure that they come home to their wives, their fiancés, their husbands, their children. Please honor your contract to keep the experience that you have on the force today and to draw more qualified citizens to serve yourselves and this community. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. I'm Cristuro. The mayor made a comment asking the police officers to work with the city and be patient. I believe they've given six months of being patient, asking for their raise. I think it's time for the city council to step up and do something. We're losing cops and having to replace them, which means we have to have more categories that means, and we're spending money to train these cops. And then these officers are leaving to go to other jurisdictions for more money. So all we're turning into is an academy to train officers for other places like Dallas, Fort Worth, San Antonio, Austin. We need to keep the officers here. We need officer retention. We need to have the experience of the older officers to lead the new generation of officers that are coming in. things are not getting better in the United States. Things are not getting better in San Angelo. Crime is on the rise. Officers are getting killed. We need to make sure that we're standing up

[2:27:11] for these officers and give them what we have previously agreed to give them as part of their contract. Thank you. Good morning everyone. John Rodriguez, former employee. I had a couple of questions and it's not really so much directed at the council. It's more for the staff since those ones that work the budget. I don't understand why the stipend was brought up again. Why was it not just put into salaries? If you'd have gone to these guys and said, you know, we've got half a year's worth of salary. We don't have the first half, but we go from here. We give you salaries. If we can extend this contract and keep it going. I think if the process had been that rather than the stipend, you may have gotten a more positive result than what you did get. The other thing is the mayor talked about the loss of jobs. That tactic was used several years and another contract, the officers were very patient. They said, you know what, we don't want anybody to lose a job. Yeah, we'll prolong this contract. We'll extend this contract by a whole year just so that the city doesn't have to do that. was brought up about losing young officers. I know for a fact, because my son was an officer here for seven years, and he left. He took seven years of experience, several critical incidents. He was a SWAT team member. He went to the city of Round Rock, okay, just outside of Austin. He started off making $1,000 a year more than I was making as a sergeant after 30 years here and he tells me that he's bored because he's not doing as much work in Roundrock as he was doing here.

[2:29:13] So these young guys can go find agencies like that. They'll go and find places where there's more money and they may not have to work as hard. And the last thing Sergeant Thomas brought up is earlier 2009, but I thought it was earlier than that. But anyway, when we were down to 118 officers, instead of 165, officers were working tremendous hours of overtime. It was good for the pocketbook, but it was not so good for the senses. You don't make rational decisions when you're tired because you've been working 12 and 15 hours a day and you work six days instead of five or at the present rate, you may work five days instead of four. I'm not sure the citizens of St. Angelo deserve to have that kind of a response from their police department. I don't know what the idea was, but I honestly believe the staff approached this whole idea wrong, and I know it's not the council's decision as what is brought to the table with meeting confer. You only know what the staff brings you, whether they bring you everything or they bring you part, that's between staff and the council. previous years I know that not everything that we talked about at the table was brought to cancer so I'm not sure that's still an issue but you know it's it's very it's hard on these officers want to come to work here when they know very well that nationwide there is a shortage of police officers and other agencies are glad to take an officer with two or three years experience no matter what kind of

[2:31:15] experience that is, whether that's in the city the size of San Angelo, or an agency the size of Reagan County and Big Lake. And they pay that officer more money, give him a bonus to come talk, come to work for them. And they end up doing less, sometimes less, maybe even sometimes more work for the same amount of money that they're getting. And it just, it just doesn't equate to a way to be able to retain officers here. The contract was put into place originally because we wanted to be able to find a way to retain officers. Lisa, maybe you can remember this right off the top of your head. How many officers have we hired in the last 10 or 12 years? 150 something officers we've hired. We've hired almost a whole nother department. We've lost that many people. Part of that is retirement like myself. But a whole lot of that is young guys going, And you know what, the city of San Angelo doesn't treat me well. The city of San Angelo doesn't care about me and my family, so why should I care about them? Thank you very much. Thank you. I'm Brenda Gunter, and I am here today to support the contract that was made with the police officers. I realize that tough decisions are having to be made today. They'll be, the tough decisions will have to be made down the road. But one of the decisions that we know is already out there, And that is that crime is increasing in San Angelo. We have to attack the crime issue, and I know we can't do it if we have bad morale, if we have fewer officers, and we have increased crime. We've got to deal with the problem at hand, and it's just not salaries, it's crime as well. And I don't think we can afford for more crime to continue to grow in this city. I support Lane's motion.

[2:33:16] I support the police officers getting the raise. And I believe we should work as hard as we can to make sure that we honor contract that was made. Thank you. My name is Jim Turner. I was retired from the Army, which has similar retention problems for similar reasons. Once you get to a certain amount of pay, where an officer, whatever, can afford to have a a good lifestyle in the community or the environment that is comfortable with, other factors definitely come into being. And those factors affect retention more than anything. You take a look at it, any one of these public safety jobs, first responders jobs can't be just about the money. Reality is there's no way you can actually pay somebody enough on strict economic terms to put their life on the line. Period, can't be done. There has to be a commitment and trust built between the city and the first responders. Part of that is consistency and predictability. One of the reasons that this stipend is not looked on as good is because that's a one-time deal that has no impact on the future. A raise is a commitment to a better, higher-paid future. That commitment is what they're looking for. The money, as somebody probably already mentioned, is already being eaten up in taxes most likely. Second thing, even on the reality check, what is the cost of replacing an officer who leaves because of morale and so on. If we could cut,

[2:35:19] If we can improve the retention rate, cut the number of officers that leave for causes other than retirement in half, that would more than pay for a raise. If you can improve the retention, that will automatically save the city enough money to increase the pay rate. If we can't figure out how to improve the retention, we're never going to be able to give the raises. but it's caught across at least two to three years where it's a salary to train a replacement officer. Anytime you have to replace somebody with these skills, you're not talking at just his salary, you're also looking at the trainer's salary, you're looking at the equipment facilities and all of that that need to be there in order to replace him. And by the time he replaced him, like I said, you've already spent a couple years was a salary just to replace one entry level officer. What do you do about the senior officers? Those were the experience and proven leadership ability. I think a stipend is a band-aid, just a short-term solution to a long-running problem that St. Andrew Lewis had ever since I've been here. People that are on the police force aren't here just because of the pay. If they were here just because of the pay, all be an austin or one of these other places that pays a lot of money. They hear because they have a connection and love for this community but they have to be paid enough and they have to have enough trust and the people they work with and for to make that commitment realistic and if you have a retention problem if we cause that's not there. Thank you. Thank you. Betty Lacey, and I'm here to support the

[2:37:19] St. Angela Police Department. We had some statistics earlier that show the oil boom is possibly coming back. That's going to bring in some revenue for St. Angelo. Unfortunately, we have friends that live in the Midland, Odessa area, and the crime rate is really bad when in the oil boom starts. So the crime rate is going to be even worse than it is now. And I just really think that the police department needs their raises like they were promised. And I say promised. And I think that you need to step up to the plate, to do the four vote, and get this done. And back, our police. Thank you. Thank you. There's Rick Strickone, the police department about six years. I've actually lived in San Angelo for about 12 and a half. And we talk a lot about retention and officers leaving. And that's all a viable option that happens. I can tell you there's not a single person here that wants to leave. Nobody wants to leave. Everybody loves San Angelo. People that hear that work sweat and bleed for, they're invested in this town. I love this town, like gentlemen, before said, we have a commitment here. I don't think there's a single person in here that they can blame me for having a stronger commitment to my wife and my family. If I can provide it better for her elsewhere, and I don't have a city that's here to back me, that leaves us in the route that we're heading. You know, Mayor Morrison earlier used words like, win the war and not the battle, stuff like that. So if that's genuinely how you see this, I apologize, that's not how any of us see it. I can tell you the same people that don't want to be here.

[2:39:23] Everybody right here. This isn't our job. We want to go to work. We want to keep the people health through in this room safe. We just want to turn out and know that the city has our back. That's what we want. It'd be nice to have the support and know that we don't have to worry about the people in the streets getting us from the front and the city getting us from the back. That's all it is. Thank you, Seth. Hi, my name is Amanda Bellini. My husband is a police officer for the PD. And I just had a couple of questions. How long has this contract been in play? How long did y'all know that these raises were going to be coming up and how come they were not put in budget first thing since it's a contract that's legally you're supposed to prove and do. I'm wondering that. And I know that's a big question that a lot of us have. You all have known for some time that this was coming. So why was it not budgeted appropriately? We'd like to answer that one. That questions come up repeatedly and the contract that was signed three years ago and quite frankly most city contracts have a very similar provision to this one is the funding obligations contract and the one in this contract reads the city presently intends to continue this agreement each fiscal year through its term to pay all payments due and to fully and promptly perform all of the obligations of the city under this agreement. All obligations of the city shall be paid only out of current revenues or any other funds lawfully available therefore and appropriated for such purpose by the City Council in compliance with the Texas Constitution Article 11 sections 5 and 7. In the The event that the city of San Angelo cannot meet its funding obligations as provided in

[2:41:23] the state constitution, this entire agreement becomes null and void. So essentially what that provision is saying is that even though at the time this contract was signed, it was anticipated and we were going to try to pay these raises. We are required to put that language in contracts because a council that was here three years ago cannot bind the budgetary actions of the council today. I know it feels like a promise and at the time it was signed it was intended to be a promise but in order for this document to be a legal document that's enforceable, we had to include language that allowed this council to have discretion on whether or not they fund that obligation. And we also created a penalty if that doesn't happen, that if we cannot fund that obligation then we're not going to hold the police officers to the remainder of their obligations and to the contract so the entire agreement would become null and void. I do want to point out as well that John mentioned the staff trust me staff here I'd love to see the police officers get their increase no doubt. I mean I'd love to see all the staff actually get an increase as well But I do want to point out last year's sales tax revenue just dropped about two and a half million dollars This year we're trending toward one million dollars All we're trying to do on our and was a physically responsible thing and we're not trying to take anything away from the police officers I have nothing bad admiration and respect for the police officers. The whole deal for us was looking at from a fiscal standpoint and making sure that we're responsible with everything that we're doing. Now the city council moves as far as approving this, then as far as staff and administration will have a responsibility to come back to the city council and say this is what we've looked at. Whether it's layoffs or attrition, moving staff around and so forth, that's something that we would take a look at. We will look at hopefully revenues trending upward again and using that toward not just for police officer increases But maybe also for staff increases But again on our end we definitely this is not a we they mentality from staff to police officers We want you to get that increase say that well on my heart We want you to get that increase our part is just making sure that we have the means to do it and make sure that we don't

[2:43:29] straddle the city with with expenditures that we can't cover in the future. That's it. You know, other than that, we're supported. City staff has never said we're not supportive of that. It's just being mindful of those expenditures and what's to come next year as well. My name is Blue Flores, I'm a police officer here and I think a lot of the citizens, including you, would like to hear some thoughts from an officer, going to the officer's account camera I spoke earlier. My, excuse me, I came to San Angelo as an already certified peace officer. I left my department to come to S.A.P.D. to serve all of you. St. Angelo was kind of the beacon for the Concho Valley. I went through the Citizens' Police Academy. I'm sorry, the Council of Governments Academy here. I paid my way to become a peace officer, and I came to St. Angelo. It is incumbent upon us as peace officers to stay and weather the storm regardless of what's going on. Politics aside, I agree with Mr. Valenzuela this is not in us versus the mentality. I don't agree with the war notion that was brought up earlier. The thing is we face certain dangers every day and I get it. That's what I signed up for and I will always be there. We've had people call K-listy and say we're going to have to stand off with police. Shots get fired in your neighborhood. Who goes? We do. Something happens to your children. who goes. We do. And I will always be here. One of the things I wanted to be when I grew up was a father. I have a beautiful son. I love him very much. When I became a police officer, I inherited 100,000 more children. I treat these children the same as I would my own. And I will always be here for them. You're a fool to think that we get into this occupation

[2:45:32] money. That is incorrect. We do it because it's a calling. No one came to my high school and recruited me. I'd be here. I get it. And I will always be here. Just know that anytime you need us, we're there. And we're not trying to be elitist by asking for this raise. We're not trying to be money makers by asking for this race what we're trying to be is comparable 95% 95% look at estimates now we're roughly 80 to 83% with people our size that's all we're wanting just to be comparable so people like me who are not even from San Angelo area will come to San Angelo and want to be a piece out here because we know the cities behind us and that's that. And without regarding a political war earlier, a mention was brought up about our shifting, our current work situation is fine, we're dealing with it. And that's a totally different, that's a totally different issue. But just know that our, our want to be comparable is the platform we want today, because we'll always be there. I'm Chris Drew, Mr. Valenzuela alluded to the fact that it's part of a budgetary process and if we don't have the money in the budget, then it's something that can be overlooked and we go on our way, maybe do another contract with them or whatever. If we have a contract with these folks, that should be a number one on the list of budget items when we're going to budget. The responsibility of the city of San Angelo is to provide police, fire, and infrastructure, which is water and streets. Everything after that is cream.

[2:47:33] Later on today, we're looking at getting an architect involved for the 29th Street Sports Complex. I think that's a wonderful idea, but I don't know if we've got the money to get an architect involved on a project right now that we're not even looking at funding when we're talking about getting money for our first responders. So let's take some of the cream off of our budget and take care of what's really the problem here which is the citizens that work for the City of St. Angelo. Thank you. Mayor, if I could answer the question on the 29th Street, just to clarify those are... That's half since sales tax. Those are half since sales tax. It's a different policy. Totally different thing. It's half since sales tax. It's half since citizens of St. Angelo. So we're just adhering to their wishes. We can't use half sense sales tax for salaries. We've heard also Ford Ranch, and we're purchasing the Ford Ranch, and we can't use those monies, but we can't use those monies. I've come to the Water Fund that's actually debt financing as well, so. Mary, before let's go on, we're just, we're working with just the bare minimum today as far as the group, a quorum, and when one leaves, we stop. We're not going to make the luncheon, are we? you control the meeting. There's a motion on the floor that we take this 342,819 dollars and apply it to the salary of the police department that we leave the stopping or the city employees and for the fire department so right at the beginning we're separating we're separating our city employees that does not fit well but that is the motion on the floor. I could I could come

[2:49:34] closer to to supporting this if you would amend the motion to say that the fire department and city employees it also becomes part of their salary. I mean if we're going to give it to the police department why would we separate the fire and why would we separate 750 employees and give it to 165. Right now we're fulfilling a contract they've given up things to get into this contract for their pay. We had the other opportunity for the others to do the same. And once again, I'm not separating fire from police, police from city employees and city employees from fire. They're all important for me. But right now we have that contract. We need to fulfill it. And like Harry said, we need to work towards all of our employees, fire, general fund employees and police to get to that 95% to make San Angelo a desirable place for other people to come in and work. We have a motion and we do have a second and we've taken we've taken comment. We know what we know what you want. And I think it's time to call for the vote. In my opinion one step at a time and this is one step. I'm not going to neglect the fire department or the city employees next. We're not either I guarantee that we're In the words of the poet William Hickman, when your outgo exceeds your income, then your upkeep becomes your downfall. And with that, I'm going to call for the vote. All in favor of putting the $342, $819 into the salary of the policeman, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Motion carried. You four going with it? I'll go with it also. Don't you care, five of them. I need to read the exactity of them. Well, we need a, I guess we'll have to do that. I guess we'll have to do that.

[2:51:34] I guess we'll have to do that. I know we need, we've got a luncheon to go to next door. Yeah, we want to go to the executive after the luncheon, at least for one of our items. So go to the executive then, after we're through with the luncheon. Yes. OK, so let me read this. Executive session of the revision of government co-title five, open government ethics, subtitle A, open government chapter 551, open the meetings, sub-chapter D, exception requirements, meeting to the open under the following sections, section 551, 07, 1, 1, 8, consult with attorney with the government of body, 60, advise if it's turning by pending or competent, play the litigation regarding number one, two, 13, seal coding program, number two, template construction, number three, I'll say incorporated, number four, contract, and B, section 551, 072, deliberation about real property regarding the forward ranch. The luncheon ought to be over by one, And you think, how long are we going to need, Teresa? After lunch, probably half an hour at the most. We'll be back here, probably 1.30, 1.45. It is 1.40. And we have exactly 20 minutes to finish everything left on our agenda, because Charlotte has to go, and we will not have a quota. Quorum. So let's start with E. Consider adoption of an ordinance authorizing the issuance and sale of City of San Angelo, Texas tax notes. Series 217, appointing a pricing officer, and delegating to the pricing officer the authority to approve on behalf of the city to settle the notes. The term of the notes and the offering documents for the notes, establish certain primitives. The approval of such matters for the pricing officer, leavenly, leavening an annual ad blorem tax, and providing for security for and a payment of said notes, providing for an effective date and enacting other provisions related to the subject. Tina, you are on them. Thank you, Mayor. This first agenda item we have for you is issuing debt to cover the cost of the hexagon project that you approved earlier in this agenda. The cost will be two point two three million dollars at a cost of two point four three percent over a seven

[2:53:36] year period and the notes will not increase your INS or debt service tax rate. So this what we're doing here is approving the debt for the funding for I have any questions from the public comment this is this is just bookkeeping this is to this is to authorize the borrowing of money for something we've already approved all in favor please say aye opposed nay Out of Math is considered an option of an ordinance authorizing the issuance of the City of St. Angelo, Texas General Obligation Refunding Bond Series 20717, pointing a pricing officer and delegating the pricing officer the authority to approve on behalf of the city to settle the bonds, the terms of the bonds, and the offering documents for the bonds, establishing certain parameters for the approval of such matters for the pricing officer, letting an annual ad below him tax, and providing for the security for and the payment of said bonds, being an effective date and enacting other provisions related to the subject. Tina? Okay. So these are some, this was issued in 2007, we're able to refund those this year, which is basically like a refinance on your house for a lower interest rate, and we expect the total savings over the life of the bonds to be about $360,000. I like that. I moved to approve. I moved to approve as presented. She moved. You want a second? I don't see anything wrong with this. This is refinancing, it makes us money. Thank you, it's wonderful. Council questions, public comment. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, may. But if I vote on that one, please. Okay, we've already dealt with G, we need to deal with H, which consider accepting the City of St. Angelo's Fiscal Year 2016 comprehensive annual financial report, the CAPer, and single audit as presented by the City's external auditor. Presentation of the Gaylea Thornton, Partner on Strong Backison Company, LLC.

[2:55:39] That's right, I'd like to introduce our partner in charge of our audit from Armstrong Backison, her name is Gaylea Thornton. I will tell you that this CAFR does come recommended for approval from our audit committee, which convened yesterday. Welcome, ma'am. I was asked to keep the short. So if you have questions beyond what I have to say, please let me know. But thank you so much for the opportunity once again to do the external audit for City of St. Angelo. We did present to the audit committee yesterday. We presented that there was an unmodified opinion, which is the equivalent of a clean opinion, meaning that your financial statements are fairly stated in respects with general accepting counter principles, so it's a clean opinion. And we also performed a single audit of all of your federal grants. You had $3.2 million in federal funding during fiscal year 2016, and because of that, you had to have what's called a single audit, where we go in and we test compliance and you had no compliance issues. So, everything looked good this year. Are you happy with it, Tina? Okay. And everything looks good. No problems, no red flags. Mayor, I would like, I think this is the quickest that our external auditors and staff have gotten this presented to you in some number of years. So a big thanks to our external auditors and our staff, Tina's staff, before working together to make that happen that quickly. Just a real quick comment Charlotte and I met with this particular group yesterday, and we went through these numbers, and I'm certainly uncomfortable, and I appreciate all the work that's been done by Galen and her team, and the internal law attorney. Lulu group. And it was a welcome addition to have Harry there, so at least he can, I'm not reelected, can kind of slip into that with already knowing what's going on. Well if we've got external officers that have come in and looked at the books and they say we're good, they're good. I need a motion to approve. I need a second. Do we have a

[2:57:42] motion and a second? Do I have any public comment on this item? All in favor please say aye. Opposed? Nay. What if I vote on that one please sir. Item number Number I consider authorizing City Manager to negotiate and execute a contract with N-10 Tori Architects of Austin in the amount of $340,929 for architectural and design services for the renovation of Barracks 1 and 2 at Fort Concho. Bob Blue thought you are on, sir. Good afternoon, Mayor Counsel. This is for us an exciting day. We've been working on this for a number of years. The citizens back in 2010 approved up to $1 million for the renovation of Barracks one and two as an improved and expanded visitor center. We did an RFQ for qualifications for an architect. Last year you allowed us to negotiate with the top selectee, Antonor Architects of Austin. Two representatives of here, Principal Michael Antonor and Gordon Bingham. We have negotiated a contracts and scope of services, which is attached in your packet. We've also researched like-minded similar projects at Ford's Lancaster, Griffin and Davis, three of our sister or brethren forts, and the costs for their visitor center and for their per square foot and for their architectural and planning fees are quite similar. In fact ours, I believe, is among the lowest, so we are pleased that we would recommend your approval that have any questions are not too technical I can handle if they're really technical Michael and Gordon came up from Austin last night and they're running out of meals they eat in our restaurants so they'd be happy to speak with you. To approve is presented and can you start yesterday? I like that. I need a second. I'll second. Have a second from Harry. You're happy with this, aren't you Bob? They are the best in the business we are pleased to have. And you have thoroughly

[2:59:42] vetted them they are as vetted as they more than vetted let's get it moving do have a motion I do have a second do I have further questions from council do I have public comment all in favor please say aye opposed nay drop a 5-0 on that one thank you very much gentlemen item J is consider approving LPA and cooperated for professional services for the design of the 29th Street Sports complex or FQ PK 0117 an authorizing city manager or is designated to negotiate an execute all related documents by the case you have the floor sir thank you mayor load everyone okay so voter approved project from back in 2010 for 29th Street complex to be revamped we've put it out there for bid we received 13 bids and then broke that or put a committee together broke that down to four invited the four to come and actually present to us in here they did we decided you met unanimously unanimously from that committee well then we're short on time sir so it was a unanimous decision on the one which was LPA out of San Antonio so we had like permission to move forward with the cleaning of that. I meant to approve. This is half since sales tax. This is something that has already been approved. It's something the voters approved so it's we're just following through on voter direction. I have public comment on this. Council questions. All in favor please say aye. Aye. Opposed nay. Aye of old Madden. Item K. Thank you Brent. Item K is consider approving a letter revision to the existing MOU with say pack in the amount of $122,688 and authorizing the city manager to negotiate and execute all related documents. Rather than amp, you had the floor, sir. All right, I have a presentation,

[3:01:42] but if you, for time, we can just talk through it if you're okay with it. The MOU with say pack, they want to add $122,688 to the project, which are line itemed out for three items that they want to pay for. So I think we gladly take that money to pay for those items and approve the letter of revision to their MOU. Well, they're paying for it. They want it. They're paying for it and all they need is our permission. Move to approve this proceeding. Thank you. I like those kind of deals. Any other questions from Council? Public comment. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, nay. Five over, Ryan. Ill, consider approving the proposed change order number four to the lead Lewis construction contract as construction manager at risk, C-E-O-2-1-4. For construction expenses totaling $436,802, all to be funded by CPAC and the project budget and authorizing the city manager to negotiate and execute said change order. David? I move to approve this presenting. I've read through it. It's detailed at our presentation and online. It combines the 122, the safe back house plus the remaining dollars we have. We're using our contingency fund to pay for it. And what is there going to be something like $35,000 or $40,000 in our contingency after we have done all this? So, I've already got a million, you want a second? Harry's second it. So this is money that we have approved, it's money that we have put in a contingency fund and it's money that we have saved as we put the auditorium together. And now we're using the part of the contingency fund to do the rest of the things that we need in the auditorium. Is that a fair statement, sir? Yes, sir. Okay. And still have 36,000 left over. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, nay. It passed five, oh, thank you, David. First public hearing and introduction of it on it's submitting to 2,000, 2016, two, one, seven budget for capital projects

[3:03:43] and incomplete projects. Morgan. Good afternoon. What I have before you are eight items totaling two million five hundred ninety three thousand eight hundred fifty two dollars. The first two items are related to stipends for general employees. These were folks that were not able to fund their stipend in their budget so it includes Fort Concho State Office Building Cemetery and Sports Complex and certain grants as well as the airport. Also the Fort Concho fund is asking to buy a mechanical floor cleaner from their fund balance. The neighborhood bullets they are getting funding of $61,000 from the development corporation. Chadburn Street is receiving a contribution from the development corporation of $39,500. The auditorium item that was there before you earlier today at $122,688, a straight reimbursement and then expense right back out. The next to last item there is Industrial Park sewer line for $100,000 funded by the, again, the development corporation for our infrastructure out there. And the last item before you is the public safety software hexagon item that was before you earlier today at $2,230,000 in a debt issue, totaling $2,593,852. Most of the things that we have decided on today and approved today, and now we're funding what we have, or budgeting what we have decided. Is that a fair statement? I need a motion. Don't move, you can take it, blame. or the questions? Council? I need to know, first of all, does this have to do with the capital improvement plans that the work that you provided us in these amounts? No, ma'am. We're on that's on the end. That's the next item. Next item. These are just budget amendments to really legalize

[3:05:43] As the things that we have decided, I'm just moving ahead. Public comment. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, nay. Another 5-0. Ian is a public hearing and consideration of a resolution authorizing the adoption of the 2017 through 2022 Capital Improvement Plan for the City of San Angelo. Morgan? For the Capital Plan that's before you today, we've been through some of the detail in the strategic planning session and so if it's your desire we can just provide updates that happens since then. We do have the plan proposed at 89 total projects scheduled between now and fiscal year 22 in excess of $437 million. We did have the public forums the town hall for district 5. I also spoke at Kiwanis Club and Rotary Club. We touched 150 people in person this year and so that's more than usual but certainly a drop in the bucket compared to our community. In addition to the live in-person items we did have the online survey option and we had an unprecedented groundswell of people filling that out a great increase from the prior year and those details of what folks did submit through the online or where you're in your background in addition to kind of informal minutes from each of the public meetings that we had so that you saw which projects had support in that for example streets improvements of course over a hundred votes for that project. So unless we want to go through each project that's what I have for you today. We've had people here today from the historic Santa Fe Depot and also Butler Farms are they on there and if so where those projects are proposed to be adopted in the plan neither of them are funded as of yet so we would need to address it in a future budget cycle or a debt issue as we get it adopted in the plan that would be the first step in delving into how then to tackle it. They are in the plan. Right. David Wood is

[3:07:43] here and actually has some information about some of the upgrades to the depot if before we do that I have a comment that I want to make I don't know did everybody get a chance to read what Morgan sent out because I wanted to compliment you on this work. This is extremely detailed. It's a lot of work, word for word, it's a lot of typing, and if anybody in the city knows what the people want, it's you. Because you've worked with them, you've identified, and you've put their wishes in black and white, and including their not so nice comments. And I do appreciate that. Morgan, it's an outstanding piece of work, and you are to be committed. I appreciate it. And with that being said, I don't know if we're still reaching as much as the public as we need to reach so that they can contribute to the online to capital improvements or come to the town hall meetings that we have. But I know that this year is a good start. This last month is a good start and I like that direction and wanted to convey that to the city manager. Thank you. My staff worked really hard to get y'all a readable way to kind of cull through all this information. We wanted to be sure and pass it along. Thank you. Wished we could do everything that everybody wants. It's amazing. It really is and to read it line by line. I thought I was gonna go blind last night. So, interesting. Thank you. Yes, ma'am? David, did you understand that you're on the capital improvement plan? Okay I last got me come on David wood with I'm President the railway museum and been a volunteer there for 20 years. I

[3:09:45] Know we're on the plan actually where there's two different items two different line items that includes the depot one is under facilities maintenance citywide ventilation air conditioning that is also not funded and then one just for the depot itself I haven't really been involved with the city council meetings and so I'm just realizing that we've been on this plan for at least eight years and never have been funded and I'm just trying to get involved I thought this would just happen but it doesn't just happen. So the depot brought in economic impact last year of $232,000 and volunteer hours $140,000 were given basically to the city for having to make a great depot and stuff. We need some funding of air conditioning system. The air conditioning systems are about 21 years So I've gotten some estimates on that of $57,000. That would be completely redoing it with high efficiency units that would be guaranteed for a minimum of 10 years. So the maintenance cost and stuff would be way down compared to the units that we have now that are very expensive to maintain. Also, we're looking at insulating the building. It's not insulated, it's 107 years old, and windows, like the city got on the city hall that are still historically correct, but are triple-paying that will have it. The estimates I have on those are 32,000 for the installation and 41,000 for the windows.

[3:11:47] And then also the parking lot, which is one of the items that is in this on this line items, supposed to be maintained and after the city buses left, they tore it all up. It needs to be at least sealed. It doesn't have to be repaved, just at least sealed, so it doesn't tear it all up and ruin it. I have no idea I have not gotten any estimates back on what that cost will be. The problem is, I know I've sat here this morning, I've heard y'all with all the problems with money and everything, and luckily I've gotten a double, they've doubled my salary every year since I've been there. Two times zero is still zero, but anyway it's been doubled. And I just would like to ask y'all for some money for that, and then also for some maintenance. We would like to get some money to help the city on this, and I've already talked with three foundations however until we get our new contract with the city sign which is up in September of this year none of those will do anything with us they want us to have a long-term contract in our hand before they will step forward and help with some of the payment but we want to go out and help get some get some of the funds that I just spoke about to help the city with in paying that question Yes. In the third page of the summary one and two projects, it says facilities maintenance, the city wide roof replacement. Now, isn't the depot in need of a roof and is that roof in this dollar amount? Yeah. Third page and the proposed funding sources, the type of sales tax general fund or future funds, it's $275,000. I want to know if the

[3:13:48] roof for the depot is in that amount. I don't think it needs a roof. It's a tile roof. Yeah, no, that's the reason that was significant repairs to it recently. Oh, no. It's the HVAC. The citywide HVAC item does include an item for the train depot. But it does. There are some less intense but still significant expenditures. Mr. Wood talked about windows, some paint, insulation, HVAC. It is an old building. You are veterans of dealing with old buildings, and this is yet another in your inventory. Well, my standby comment has always been on some of the old buildings blowing up. That's just the way I am. But this one is different to me. This has historic value to the city of St. Angelo. And when I say historic value, I'm talking about tourism dollars. And I think it is a huge benefit to the city to protect our tourism dollars where we have them, and this is something that is natural, it is authentic, and it needs to be updated and taken care of, and I would like to see what in this building can have sent sales tax be used for to make some replacements or even hot tax, that if we could take the depot and make it a separate project to bring back to council to look at these and where we could find the funding and possibly use those sources of funding. Is that possible or agreeable, agreeable? I think it's agreeable, Charlotte. And one of the things I have to applaud David Ed, because I've been working with him for about six months on some of these numbers. And one of the things we talked about was how many people are coming to visit the depot from out of town, so that you can look at hot tax money because they're spending time in the hotels and in the restaurants. And by state law, that's possible to use some of those dollars. And again, half sent sales tax money is out there.

[3:15:50] I think both of those things could be one of those that we could utilize. So, the next step for David is for him to, and the city to come to some kind of an agreement on the lease portion so that he can go back to these foundations and get a little bit private, public partnerships, and I told David this right after I got him on council. That's the way we need to go, and that's what he's done. He's gone out and looked at some of these foundations. So we need to go ahead and do our due diligence and say, we will partner with him on some of these other funds, not from the general fund, but either hot or half cent sales type, and let's get this contract signed for an extended period of time and go forward with this. We do need to move forward on this item, and I'd like to see staff work toward that if I had some guide from council to do so. Excuse me, I'm sorry, we can definitely do that. As far as the contracted self, we can tie it. I mean, we can discuss as far as you mentioned, the economic impact, what else can we do to make it even more viable than the amount that he's talking about? So all that needs to be tied into the agreement itself. So if that's a directive that council wants to give us, we can move forward. You know, from years back, when we first started talking about the Bosque and that they're being right through on the river, the Girl Scout, the Boy Scout Camp to eventually swing that around and tie our tourism with the fort, the people's right in the middle. And we need some attention paid there. Thank you, Morgan. This is not. The lease was. I'm sorry, this is not part of the agenda item today to discuss the lease. They mentioned it's right. OK, so. We're straying from what the actual item is, which is the capital improvement plan. I was going to talk about that some other time. We're working. You're on the right track, David. Now, Land, did you have anything to come up to the front,

[3:17:50] please ma'am, so you can be on TV. Yeah. Yeah. You're now Landlumpkin. Right. Yes. I'm sorry. Now Landlumpkin's representing the other farms. Use the microphone. Thanks. Okay. So many rules. I know it. It's like a fun company. Now Landlumpkin's and I represent Butler Farms Foster Road issue. And I heard you say, it's on the CIP plan, right? I want to be sure. It hasn't been funded because that hasn't been. So does that mean we don't know where it's placed on there? That means you've made the first step. You've got it on there. Right, I understand that. And so we'll look for some next step. We will look for some funding options. Now that we've got it on the plan, we can work with Shane and we will look for some way to get this thing done. And then we'll find out where it's placed on the CIP plan. Yes. And we can go from there. You've done the first step. got it on there so thank you very much we appreciate that thank you all righty I guess that's a public hearing and we get a motion to adopt that resolution I need a motion to adopt the resolution yes gee say I can't take public comment okay you have to I have no problems with the with what Morgan is presented I I think Morgan does a good job, excellent job too. I like her and want to keep her. But I noticed that when she handed out the list, it doesn't have any dates on it. We don't know how long some of these items have been on the list. Like Mr. Wood said, it was up here eight years. I think Butler Farm has been something like that also. So we need to date them and we need to have some consideration on what is the payback.

[3:19:51] Some of these things can be funded. It's kind of like praying off a credit card. You know, we could get, we could pay it off and then we can take that money and build something else that stream of money. So we need to have some kind of a rating on, you know, will it pay it, will it make money? Will it save us money? is that some requirement for health emergency situation. So these all play into your evaluation of how we're gonna spend our money. And I see none of that being considered in your list. So thank you. Yeah, the public comment on this item. I need a motion for approval. Motion. Okay. Your motion and I'll take your second. Okay. Any other questions from Council? Any questions from Morgan? Is everybody happy with this capital improvement plan? We're moving forward. Okay. Sometimes it's just the first step that's the hardest one to make. Public comment any further? All in favor of adopting the SS presented please say aye. Aye. Opposed nay. Drop a five-o on that one Brian. All right follow up administrative items consider items he discussed and executive closed session if needed. There was nothing that we discussed no action to be taken. Item B is consider approving various board nominations. C O Cosa DC, Juan Flores, SMD 3 to a third full term in February 2019. John Barrio Jr. SMD 4 to a fourth full term ending February 2 O 1 9. Scott Tankersley SMD 6 to a fourth term ending February 2 O 1 9. Todd Cole's, the mayor, to a first full-term ending February 2019. Civic Events Board, Donald Barnhart, SMD6, to the first full-term ending October 2019. Fort Concho Museum Board, Kelsey Herrera, SMD2, to a first full-term ending January 2020.

[3:21:52] Joy Slow, SMD5, to a first full-term ending January 2020. Tears Board, Elizabeth grind staff SMD six to an unexpired term ending July two old one nine I need a motion for approval shortly I need a second Lucy questions public comment all in favor please say aye opposed nay Bible announcements and future agenda items short it do you have anything them yes I would like to ask Shane and his Department to work with the Republic on a program report card that says how am I doing and how am I doing meaning the resident would like to know how they're doing with their recyclable items you know we have a contamination rate and I run across several people who they want to meet the tonnage they want to do their part and but they need to know how they're doing so some way to grade them quarterly or let them know to give them something in the mail if you could look into that for me please and report back then maybe it has to be a council item I would appreciate it and then the other item if you would I think I've visited with you in the past I would like to sit on a council agenda future agenda is the recyclable materials and bins being placed at apartment complexes there's a lot of tonnage up there and we need it and could we look at that just a quick comment correct me if I'm wrong Shane but isn't the solid West report out on the city's website we just need to know where I think if we if you let Charlotte know to she can let let her constituents know exactly where it is but it is out there and that's updated every month. Okay. On each household, on the recyclable. How am I

[3:23:59] doing? You won't eat household recycling. People want to know. You can't do that Charlotte. Why can't I? Because way up it's all cold mingled. But even in well, Shane will talk. Okay. I didn't ask for a gin item on that. I just asked him to develop a plan. Okay. We can talk. Just a reminder. Next Next week, the 28th, I'll be having the town hall meeting here in the chambers at 6 o'clock next Tuesday over the shelterless problem that we're having down by the Bryant Bridge and possible solutions, so I'd just encourage everybody to attend. I've asked before about the water department, the late things, thank you sir, I appreciate it, that's all. Harry, I have nothing for future. I need a motion to refer to Brian for future. Okay, I believe it was the intent of council to hold an emergency meeting to pass the ordinance that would keep meeting confer in effect the contract before April 1st. We tentatively could schedule that for the 27th at 5 o'clock in this room. I have reserved it for that purpose, So just need the confirmation that that's the direction that you are wanting to go. And this, of course, is required because there's not it. I sat in on the meeting confer meeting the other day, and there were no extra meetings scheduled in that. So in order to save the contract, this is something that Council would have to do. Monday the 27th at five o'clock in this room. It's going to have to be quick, because I've got another one at six. Yeah. I just want to make sure that that's the direction of council, and I wanted to put that out there for public. No, this is as fast as possible.

[3:25:59] Move to adjourn. All in favor. It's over.

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